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So my travels had me in chicago this past weekend and since everyone knows I want to do plant things and we had a few hours to kill we decided to check out Oak Park Conservatory-

I have to say I was really impressed with what they were able to do in the small amount of space-

Fruiting cacao in Z5- apparently they arent doing anything with them though

Monstera deliciosa- almost grabbed one with the way Miami fruit has been going on and on and on about them-

And a nice little surinam cherry by the koi pond-

Honorable mention but not pictured - ponderosa lemon, pomegranates, bursera odorata, calamondin, and opuntia spp.

Just pondering what to do with my Garcinia trees before the move-

On the one hand they probably will like the humidity of Houston much more than dry Bay area- On the other I wont be able to keep an eye on them in Houston

So I was out looking for apartments this past weekend and of course stole some time to go to SFBG- a lot of cool stuff happening on the trees right now

Luma apiculata- flowering like crazy but no fruit set yet-

Ugni molinae- tons of fruitlets and blooms but nothing ripe yet- almost broke my tooth on one

Vaccinium ovatum- quite tasty huckleberries- seem to need no care

Eugenia spp?

Arbutus unedo- some people say this is bland but I think they are quite good- just like strawberries

Another Eugenia spp?

Can anyone ID these Passiflora?
Number 1

Number 2

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First Myrcianthes fragrans fruit
« on: July 09, 2022, 04:28:52 PM »
Another first flowering and fruiting of the year is

Myrcianthes fragrans - "Twinberry, Simpson's Stopper"
A short bushy tree usually growing no higher than 15-20 feet. It is easily trained into a short hedge as well. Evergreen, features attractive white blooms that may occur at almost any time of year in warm climates. The pretty blooms have a wonderful scent reminiscent of gardenia. Blooms are followed by small berry-fruits which ripen to an orange-red. The blooms are quite popular with butterflies and the fruits attract birds. In addition, Simpson's Stopper also has smooth, red-brown colored bark (similar to the guava), adding to its ornamental appearance. Hardy to 25F. Attractive bush or small tree native to Florida and the Caribbean. Bears a small, orange-red, edible berry-fruit having a mild, citrus-like flavor. Simpson's Stopper is commonly planted as a hedge in much of South Florida, usually seen in urban settings where controlled hedging is needed. Despite sometimes being found planted in mundane locations, the plant is a beautiful United States native that can make a wonderful ornamental in the garden.

Text sourced from

Flowers like crazy-

They have a really good smell and this is easy to care for- might put it in the ground this year after tasting the fruits

Hey All-

In preparation for my move, I am getting an automated drip irrigation system online to hopefully reduce the watering work on my poor SO-

Here is a preliminary version of what I have done so far- any and all comments are welcome, I will update it as I continue to plug more parts of the system online

The start is in the middle by the 2 Shrubblers shown in green

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First Lycium andersonii fruit
« on: July 04, 2022, 01:19:29 PM »
Another first in our garden this year is Lycium andersonii fruit!

The description from
Lycium andersonii  “Desert Goji/Wolfberry”
Solanaceae. Densley branched thorned shrub to 3–6’+.  Semi-succulent leaves. Yellow/lavender tubular flowers followed by small round edible berries. Seed from Baja. Drought deciduous. Heat, drought and sun tolerant. A good choice for the arid edible landscape. The berries are rich in beneficial phytonutrients. Z9b/10a?

I was a bit nervous about this one because it is not reported to be cold tolerant enough for here and there are some reports of it being dioecious, it has flowered a lot but the chickens like to eat them so this is the first one that has had time to set. I doubt there is another plant nearby

Tropical Fruit Discussion / is Rio Grande a good Peach?
« on: June 28, 2022, 10:17:41 PM »
these are just ripening for us and they have been amazing- so juicy and sweet only trouble is keeping the birds off em

I am considering putting in another tree and doing some multigrafting

are peaches just much better ripened one the tree? is Del Rio a good cultivar?

what other varities would people recommend

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Garcinia/Rheedia Budwood
« on: June 26, 2022, 09:40:49 PM »
Hey All-

Due to my recent interaction with NissanVersa and his amazing G. brasiliensis fruit I am actively on the hunt for budwood for the Garcinia species below-

G. acuminata
G. brasiliensis
G. celebica
G. humilis
G. indica
G. kola
G. sp. "Lindero"
G. livingstonei
G. macrophylla
G. mangostana
G. sp. "Mandrono"
G. vleerackeii
R. aristata
R. sp. - this is the unlabeled one from Fruit and Spice Park in Miami if anyone wants to go snip

Hey all-

I think he is probably too busy/bashful to share on here but I want to give a shoutout to NissanVersa who now has a fruiting Garcinia brasiliensis here in Houston.

It is grafted budwood on brasiliensis stock in an Air pot, I'll have to get a picture of the plant soon. The second year after grafting it has held fruit and he was kind enough to share one with me.

Needless to say this has massively increased my interest in grafting Garcinia- does anyone have good resources? NissanVersa used a cleft

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best Fruit Places to Visit Near Palo Alto
« on: June 07, 2022, 02:09:33 PM »
Hey All,

Through life's strange turns I am making a move to Palo Alto for a bit- wondering if anyone has decent places to recommend to forage/get new and cool fruits to try-

On my last trip to the bay area I enjoyed some Arbutus unedo from the UCSF campus and also got to try some Syzygium leuhmanii and others from the SF Botanic Garden


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Is this Mulberry Tree White Shatoot?
« on: May 04, 2022, 09:20:42 PM »
Unfortunately I haven't had any time to pick mulberries in quantity this year but I wanted to keep an eye out for any albino or "sangue-e-latte" fruit on our really old tree to report back to the forum if all of this could be seen on an ungrafted tree

Instead I found that there is what appears to be a seedling tree very close to the base of the old tree that was actually the source of the albino fruits-

I think the person who owned the house before us was into mulberries because there appear to be a few varieties that ripen at slightly different times over the season but we are also in a natural mulberry grove so I am interested if this is a known variety or a new one-

Doesn't look long enough to be of the Australian or Himalayan variety- the taste is 100% sugar

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wild Annona from Dominican Republic
« on: May 04, 2022, 08:37:40 PM »
Hello Annona Lovers-

On a recent trip to the Dominican Republic I managed to sneak away from the scheduled activities to do a bit of fruit hunting around the resorts and happened upon an Annona tree-

It appeared to be growing submerged in salt water, (we were on the beach) which led me to believe it is Annona glabra but the one (past) ripe fruit I found was yellow which I did not think was true of glabra. The seeds also appear to be white around the outside with a dark center which also seems to be different from what I have found online. When I asked the people around about it all they would tell me was that they didn't serve it at the hotel.

First person to ID gets a pack of 5 seeds

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Herrania umbricata Fruit Taste Report
« on: April 26, 2022, 09:58:38 PM »
The fruit splits open easily like a cacao pod- about an eighth of the size of the cacao pods we have come across

Green banana smell, first taste is floral like cacao, a lot of complexity and then the green banana finishes, I can see why Jaboticaba45 says watermelon, I even got a hint of mangosteen
Pulp is scant but comes off of the seed with a little work, leaves a mucalaginous feel in the mouth-

Quite tasty!

I think I will let the other one ripen a bit longer and do another tasting

Pic's coming

Some interesting plants I have gotten into recently but don't see getting much discussion on here is Neotropical blueberries and particularly the Agapetes genus

I have a few here in Houston, and they appear to do fine with the weather here although I cant imagine them liking the native soil-

As an epiphyte you can always do some really cool stump-pots with them though

The three I have established are

Agapetes oblonga  “Yunnan Huckleberry”
Rare larger species 3–10′ tall. Fuzzy stems, oblong-lanceolate leaves. New growth is lustful pink-red. Develops a large woody caudex to 20″+. Very floriferous with tubular carmine-red flowers borne along the stems. Sweet edible berries, translucent white-pink with tiny hairs. Epiphytic in the evergreen forests of Yunnan, China up to 9000′. Surface sow the seed and keep warm to sprout. Z8b/9a? Text sourced from

Agapetes serpens  “Khursani” “Himalayan Lantern Huckleberry”
Epiphytic evergreen shrub to 2–3’+. Graceful arching braches arising from a woody caudex to 18″+. Shocking rose-red lantern-like flowers dangle from the branches, a flamboyant display that appeals equally to hummingbirds and primates. Lavender colored sweet edible berries. Native to the Himalayan mid elevation cloud forests, up to about 9,000′. The caudex of some species is edible. Prefers part shade, well draining acid soil and regular moisture. Fruits best when cross pollinated with another clone or species. Rooted cuttings. Z8b. Text sourced from

Agapetes ‘Ludgvan’s Cross’   “Himalayan Huckleberry Hybrid”
A hybrid of A. serpens and A. rugosa, forming a 3–4’+ shrub.  2–3″ pointed leaves and eventually deveolops a gnarled woody caudex. Pale-pink lantern flowers with deep rose chevron markings are borne in mass along the stems, a sight to see! Weird, marble size, translucent white-pink to purple edible berries. Hummingbirds love Agapetes. Part shade, well draining acid soil. Rooted cuttings. Z8b Text sourced from

I left them all uncovered this year and the oblonga took a bit of a hit but the others seem to be doing quite well, so I ordered these other three

Agapetes aff. cauliflora SEH27042 “Vietnamese Huckleberry”
Ericaceae. Evergreen caudiciform with long arching branches to 3’+ . Hairy stems and lanceolate evergreen leaves, blue-green when young. Clusters of white tubular flowers with green tips, red edible berries. Native to the cloud forests of Vietnam. May be intermediate to the larger growing A. malipoensis. Our first offering of this rare species. Rooted cutting. Z8/9?
Text sourced from

Agapetes hosseana “Saphaolom” “Thai Huckleberry”
Ericaceae. A lovely blueberry relative that forms large woody caudiciform lignotubers. Arching branches to 3'+ with shiny, rounded-elliptic, evergreen
leaves. Clusters of pendant, narrow tubular red flowers with green tips. Sweet edible berries, white to pale pink with lavender speckles. An epiphytic
species native to the mountain forests of northern Thailand. The lignotubers are used in Thai medicine for nourishment after a fever. The tubers have
exhibited anticancer poperties. The plant contains triterpenes and steroidal compounds with antibacterial and antimalarial activity. Part shade and a fast
draining acidic soil. Does well in hanging baskets. Surface sow seeds warm. Z9a
Text sourced from

Agapetes smithiana v. major “Yellow Flowered Himalayan Huckleberry”
Woody caudiciform lignotubers, long arching branches with rounded leaves. Dark yellow tubular flowers hang from the stems in clusters. Edible berries.
An beautiful endangered native of the mid elevation cloud forests of the western Himalaya where it occurs primarily as an epiphyte. Well draining acidic
soil, part shade. Rooted cuttings.Z8b/9a
Text sourced from

This is the last one! (for now)

This is another Marcos accession that bounced back from our winter well unprotected, unfortunately much worse germination rate on these so I only have 1 but seems to be a hardy little plant

Celtis ehrenbergiana - “Tala”
Celtis ehrenbergiana is a semi-evergreen shrub or small tree with a more or less pyramidal crown; it can grow 4 - 7 metres tall. The irregular bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for local use of its edible fruit, medicinal properties and dyestuff. It is sometimes grown as an ornamental. Fruit. A succulent pulp, but there is not much of it. The oval, orange-yellow fruits are about the size of a pea. Edible and sweet. Astringent. An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of indigestion. A plant of the subtropics and tropics, found at elevations between 300 - 1,700 metres in the tropics. Prefers a sunny position. It is apparently tolerant of a wide range of soil and moisture conditions. A fast-growing tree.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-15. <>

I apparently am giving Marcos a free promotion because all of these argentinian species appear to be doing quite well in Houston-

This is the better looking of two seedlings-

Plinia rivularis - "Guaporeti, Guaburiti"

Fruit - raw. The succulent pulp has a sweet, pleasant flavour. The globose, reddish-orange fruit is up to 2cm in diameter, containing one or two seeds

Guaburiti is an evergreen tree with a wide, dense, roundish, low crown; it can grow 6 - 11 metres tall. The short bole branches from very low down, it can be 25 - 40cm in diameter.
The tree is valued mainly for its edible fruit, which is gathered from the wild and consumed locally, though it also produces a useful wood. It is occasionally cultivated in domestic orchards for the fruit; can be grown as a pioneer when restoring native woodlands or establishing woodland gardens; and, since it provides a good shade, it can be grown as an ornamental for use in landscaping.

Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-06-27. <>

Another selection from Marcos that made it through our winter with no protection-

This one has a potential to be an invasive species so I am keeping a close eye on flower / fruit set

Last year we had flowers but no fruit- multiple seedlings in a pot-

Salpichroa origanifolia - "Cock’s Eggs”
Salpichroa origanifolia is a very fast-growing, perennial, climbing plant with somewhat woody stems. Although the fruits have a poor flavour raw, they are often gathered from the wild for use as preserves and are commonly found for sale in local markets. A plant of the warm temperate to tropical zones, being found at elevations above 1,000 metres in the tropics. Plants are susceptible to frost, even the fleshy roots can be killed by temperatures down to freezing. Prefers a sunny position. Thrives in alkaline soils. Fruit. Of poor flavour raw. Often used to make preserves. The white or yellow, ovoid fruit is 18mm x 8mm.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-05. <>

Fellow Fruit People-

Just wanted to post and give an update on this new and interesting Solanum species that I acquired from Marcos last year-

I got 5 seeds, all of which sprouted, and have 2 of the plants to forum member AndreasGia and kept 3 for myself- (for those who remember I was once going to auction one of these but got greedy and decided to see how it would do in the soil here)

I can say that this species is truly subtropical with these ~1 year old seedlings surviving unprotected in the winter this year. They experienced leaf drop and tip damage but both of the exposed plants are coming back strong now.

We didn't get any flowers last year but given the quick bounce back we are hoping to have seeds and maybe even fruit to share with the forum this year

Calling all avocado hunters

This caught my eye when perusing their site during their re-opening

Persea lingue “Lingue” “Chilean Avocado”
Lauraceae. Beautiful evergreen tree to 20–60'+. Shiny dark green leaves. Small yellow flowers and olive-size fruit with green to blue-black skin-almost
all seed. Native to the lower elevations of Chile and adjacent Argentina. The wood is hard, durable and good for construction. The leaves are used
medicinally as an astringent. Threatened throughout some of its range due to logging and agriculture. Z8a?

Probably not great fruit but might be useful in breeding more cold tolerant avocado, or just an interesting tree-

Ben always has super reasonable prices for his trees and is great to deal with, but sometimes takes a while to ship plants and only take checks by mail.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Plant ID Help
« on: March 20, 2022, 07:51:45 PM »
Hey Gang-

Got a quiz for you plant nerds, I am trying to ID some of the plants left to me by AndreasGia in order to take better care of them and these have me stumped when I was up-potting them today-

Any help? only clue I have besides the pics are that they are almost certainly seedlings from a fruit collected at Miami Fruit and Spice Park


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting in the Florida Keys
« on: February 01, 2022, 12:17:03 PM »
Hey all-

I have finally located the deedwork to some old property in the Keys and, of course, immediately started to think about what could be planted there-

The zone according to the USDA is 11b which is great but I know that this comes with some particular problems-

the first I can think of is that there currently is no water or electric lines to the property- this is clearly a very long term project but I would like to start with maybe planting some things that will be pretty resilient and not need much care of their own for the first couple years before a reliable watering system can be set up.

Ideally I would not like to build much habitation on there but just have a small semi-automated system to take care of things-

My first idea would be to create a perimeter with something that could provide a windbreak against storms (possibly and Artocarpus spp. or even Durio?, Carapa guianensis if it can be sourced) and plan a small plot within that perimeter

My concerns without ever having lived there are-

High and Salty Water Table
Lack of easy maintenance

Some species that I have selected that might grow there well would be

Shorter Term-
Aloe spp. - digigarden
Ananas cosomus - digigarden
Annona glabra (grafting stock)
Annona muricata - Bush2Beach
Capparis spp. - digigarden
Carissa spp. - digigarden
Chrysobalanus icaco - digigarden
Coccolobo uvifera - pineislander
Cocos nucifera - nullzero
Cordia sebestena - digigarden
Cecropia peltata
Dovyalis caffra
Dovyalis longispina
Inga spp.
Manilkara bidentata
Manilkara zapota - nullzero
Melicoccus bijugatus
Myrciathnes fragrans - digigarden
Opuntia spp. - digigarden
Pandanus tectorius
Passiflora spp. - roblack
Portulaca spp. - digigarden
Pouteria sapota
Rosa rugosa - digigarden
Syzygium paniculatum
Terminalia spp. - digigarden *Invasive Potential

Longer Term-
Annona coriacea
Annona leibmanniana
Annona salzmanii
Annona x atemoya
Butia capitata - digigarden
Casimiroa edulis - digigarden
Citrus spp. - digigarden
Cola spp. (once shady spots are identified)
Diospyros nigra - digigarden
Eugenia itaguahiensis
Ficus carica - digigarden
Garcinia livingstonei
Hibiscus spp - digigarden
Lepisanthes fruticosa
Magnifera indica - digigarden
Malvaviscus arboreus - digigarden
Malpighia glabra
Mammea americana - digigarden
Pithecellobium dulce - digigarden
Phoenix dactylifera - digigarden
Pometia pinnata
Psidium spp. - digigarden
Rheedia aristata
Sandoricum koetjape
Stelechocarpus burahol
Theobroma spp. (once shaded areas are identified)
Treculia africana

Please let me know what you think-

I will be using Neil Logans fabulous agroforestryx tool to plan the plot for planting

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Do you need to thin Babaco?
« on: January 26, 2022, 11:12:40 AM »
I am in the fortunate position to have had a lot of Babaco set in these past couple months-

I am wondering if you ever need to thin them?

the Tree is a little over 1 year old and is already holding 2 fruit from the last flowering that are getting to be about the size of my hand

I have an overgrown bush of both Terrence McKenna Red and Black variety-

3 cuttings wrapped in parafilm of either for $40 - 8.50 shipping

I also have a smaller amount of the cielo variety-

3 cuttings for $35

My overgrown bush actually managed to make some seeds this year-

Ill do 3 seed heads (each have about 5-10 seeds) for $10 mailed

PM for details

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Temperate wishlist
« on: January 20, 2022, 11:52:09 AM »
Hey gang-

I recently was tooling around with PFAF's advanced search options to find some z5 edibles and came up with the list below of things I would be interested in acquiring- buy or trade okay

Berberis aristata
Balsamorhiza deltoidea
Bunium bulbocastanum
Camassia leichtlinii
Camassia quamash
Caragana arborescens
Chenopodium bonus-henricus
Cichorium intybus
Claytonia sibirica
Cornus canadensis
Corylus avellana
Eleutherococcus senticosus
Fritillaria camschatcensis
Hemerocallis fulva
Passiflora mollisima
Psoralea esculenta
Streptopus roseus
Tilia cordata
Trapa bicornis
Viburnum lentago


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