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It was a rescue from a forum member in 2019 (unknown variety). At the time the tree was close to 7ft tall. I was looking at the graft union today and the growth *does* appear to come from what's left of the graft. But who knows what the green sapote was grafted on.

No, the fruit sets in mid year to fall then following Jan-March fruit ripens and falls when ripe but fruit is still good keeps shape most of the time. So, really only takes about a year overall to set and ripen.

Quote from: elouicious on January 16, 2024, 06:52:13 PM

Sweet!

I think they hang on the tree for 2 calendar years which might explain the minimal fruiting

Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on January 13, 2024, 09:24:30 PM

Do you have any more info on pierces disease?
Do you think shine muscat is ok with it?
Got someone asking for me.
Google says it's a gram negative bacteria (thanks to micro bio I now know what that means lol)

Yah, its a systemic disease of grapes caused by xylella fastidiosa. I am doubtful that Shine Muscat will be resistant enough for long term growth in Florida using standard practices. Although, there is no way to know until you try it. You could get lucky and hit the genetic jack pot with some recessive or cumulative resistance genes like the Southern Sensation Seedless grape I linked above. That being said, PD is very similar to Citrus Greening in function and a few lessons might be learned from the Florida Citrus Industry. Some citrus growers have had success growing their trees under insect mesh that excludes the bugs carying the disease. I assume that the same mesh used in the citrus industry would work for grapes. The only down side is that this might exacerbate mildews that are also hard on grapes. The screen would also protect the grapes from birds which are another major gape pest.

Quote from: elouicious on January 13, 2024, 03:48:02 PM

This is basically the exact advice I got for Houston- if I post a pic of my vine do you think you could ID it Galatians? I don't know if it is because we have had freezes the past 3 out of 4 years to keep parasites and disease at bay that has it doing well, if it is a weird sport, if it is in a good spot or if the vine is not meant for the world long term

I am not good enough with grapes to give you an exact ID. However, I can tell you a few things that might be helpful. First, the bunch in the picture looks to be in the Flame Seedless family, and is definitely not a Thompson seedless (originally known as Sultana). There are actually a lot of technically distinct cultivars that are all sold as red seedless grapes in the grocery store. Weather plays a big role in the development of the red color. So, it is no surprise that the bunch is not fully red. Next, I have read that Fame Seedless is more resistant to disease than Thomson/Sultana. Victoria Red looks similar to your pic and has some PD resistance. But, it has seeds. PD is a systemic disease that is typically transmitted by sap sucking insects like the glassy wing sharp shooter. It gumms up the plant's vascular system. Because of different levels of resistance among cultivars it can take years to kill the vine. Long term cold allows for the vine to recover and can even kill off the pathogen in the plant. As a result, it is typically not a major factor once you get far enough north. I would assume, then that both cultivar and weather have played a role in your success. For a Thompson type in Houston, I would be looking at the Southern Sensation Seedless grape that was just released by University of Arkansas. It has apparently survived long term in Texas and some how inherited a lot of PD resistance.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://smallfruits.org/2022/04/southern-sensation-seedless-a-new-table-grape-for-the-mid-south/&ved=2ahUKEwjb8O6F_duDAxW7ezABHV3dBHoQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2U7uJftd4zKkZqdnO9yX1i

Quote from: Timbogrow on January 12, 2024, 06:03:18 AM

There a grape vine on my trellis the previous home owners planted. Produces lots of grapes with seeds. Hard thick skin with a snotty texture but has good flavor. I rate it at .25/10. Completely a waste of time to try growing. Looks like crap for 6 months of the year also. Soon as I get a chance I'm chainsawing that old dilapidated trellis down and giving that vine the axe.

I'd be very curious to see a picture of your vine. If the tendrils fork it is a bunch grape. If they are single it is a muscadine. I highly doubt that any traditional seedless grape is going to do well here long term because of Pierces Disease, mildew, and black rot. Muscadines make good juice by the way.

How was the consistency of the ice cream? Curious what the water content is of the fruit, haven't tried yangmei yet.
Glad y'all had to opportunity to do so, looks really good!

I feel like a nicely ripe canistel would mix perfectly with vanilla ice cream.