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Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« on: October 22, 2019, 04:59:41 AM »
OZ mango varieties will be available in Los Angeles at Retailer Gelson's until Feb/20........ Varieties will be Kensington Pride...R2E2...Calypso and Keitt.... All are from the same Commercial farm in Northern Territory....... Enjoy & please provide comments..... Mike

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 04:58:13 PM »
Except for bowens they aren't really earth shattering varieties.Territory mangoes are the earliest mangoes and I think east coast November/December mangoes taste better.Calypsos do look nice but really its whats inside that really counts.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 05:09:46 PM »
I'd rather you guys spend the effort sending us your Annonas/Passionfruit.

But I'll take what I can get.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 05:21:21 PM »
Some of the Australian passionfruit, atemoyas and lychees could be hits in California and Florida but maybe not the mangoes. I guess a few KP offspring like honey gold and ones that are really Asian like Taiwan Gold Giant could do ok.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 08:22:53 PM »
Some of the Australian passionfruit, atemoyas and lychees could be hits in California and Florida but maybe not the mangoes. I guess a few KP offspring like honey gold and ones that are really Asian like Taiwan Gold Giant could do ok.

I am very fond of honey gold, it is my favourite mango (of what is available).
« Last Edit: October 23, 2019, 08:25:24 PM by Ulfr »

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 10:01:51 PM »
Someone at work was eating a calypso the other day. Firm dry pale flesh. If you don't need to change your shirt after its not a real mango.
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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 10:08:23 PM »
Iím growing R2E2 and honey gold not bad mango but not close to top tier

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2019, 06:04:59 AM »
Iím growing R2E2 and honey gold not bad mango but not close to top tier

Yeah I donít rate r2e2 either but do honey gold. Very surprised to hear you grow it JF. How did it get over there? Trees are not available here (it is still protected, pbr?) but growers swap scion.
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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2019, 07:20:35 AM »
It has been there for a while. It is surprising that Keitt was included in that lot as its a pretty ordinary variety and gets just about the lowest prices in the markets.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 11:25:02 AM »
Some of the Australian passionfruit, atemoyas and lychees could be hits in California and Florida but maybe not the mangoes. I guess a few KP offspring like honey gold and ones that are really Asian like Taiwan Gold Giant could do ok.

I am very fond of honey gold, it is my favourite mango (of what is available).

Hi Ulfr

I bought HG scions a few years ago. Itís on a multigrafted tree so Iíve only had 2-3 fruits.....who knows it may not be the real thing but the fruits I tried from that graft reminds me of Florigan which is just an average tasting mango here

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2019, 03:59:01 PM »
Hi Ulfr

I bought HG scions a few years ago. Itís on a multigrafted tree so Iíve only had 2-3 fruits.....who knows it may not be the real thing but the fruits I tried from that graft reminds me of Florigan which is just an average tasting mango here

Cool, might just be my tastes. Iíll have to try Florigan :)
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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2019, 05:20:33 PM »
It ha been noted before that Australian mangoes generally are not well received in America and American mangoes are not popular in Australia with most of those introduced considered low quality. SE Asian mangoes are well accepted in Australia and vice versa. The differences in tastes is hard to explain especially in regard to Kensington pride and this has be raised many times on the forum before.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2019, 07:51:08 PM »
Hey Mike,

Do you know of anyone in Australia that has fruited any of the newer Zill varieties of Mangos like Lemon Zest or Sweet Tart? Both these varieties are usually Polyembryonic and both are top tier. Iím hoping that you guys/gals have them because they are mind blowing in terms of flavor. I hope that Australians can taste these wonderful Zill creations.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 03:04:34 AM »
Mike may have more but yes they are being grown here Simon (some by those in this thread).  I donít know of any that have fruited yet. Looking forward to trying one!

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 03:17:31 AM »
I have seedlings of sweet tart and OS holding fruit this year, so we'll see if they end up looking true to type. The ST fruit-lets are dropping fast though. LZ, PPK seedlings failed to flower this year.

The OS seedling does have a citrus sap smell, that's a good sign. The ST seedling has been a disease magnet so that doesn't seem to mesh with what is said about the parent plant, wait and see. OS seedling is staying pretty clean.

I don't really get any citrus smell from the PPK and LZ seedlings, or see the wavy leaf margins on the LZ seedling. Mike Rules trees are farther along. My PPK and LZ are maybe 12 feet tall now so maybe next year. I should take some pictures of the trees and new growth to see if they match in the eyes of someone who has seen the actual parent trees.

I grew up on Canada, if you want a terrible mango, try an imported mango in Canada. Taste like paint thinner and green carrot tops even when they look soft and ripe. I'll admit I do like a KP and its seedlings, particularly the Alison Red KP. The fruits weigh it down faster than it can grow up so it just grows sideways.
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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2019, 08:15:39 AM »
Most  of our Commercial mangoes are crosses with Kensington Pride....R2E2 KP & Kent....Caipyso KP & Sensation....newer varieties NMBP 4069 KP & Van Dyke....NMBP 1201 KP & Irwin.....NMBP 1243 KP & Irwin...... others include Lady Jane & Lady Grace both R2E2 & Irwin .......  The mango that you will be eating from Gelson's would have been picked green  & not ripened on the tree...... In the case of R2E2 they are 10 times better if tree ripened ......I would love to hear from any one that get get some to try or perhaps Simon  or someone could tell us what the Brix reading is on these mangoes....... Mike

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 11:40:26 AM »
If I get a hold of any of these Aussie Mangos, Iíll post a description of the flavor profile and Brix. Iím sure Iíve posted about Kensington Pride and Kensington Pride Seedling before.

When you planted the Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart seedlings, did you get more than 1 sprout? If you get two seedlings or more, coming from the same seed but from different segments of the seed, there is a good chance one will be a clone.

If you only get one seedling, it could be zygotic or clone.

Sweet Tart is very disease resistant in Florida and SoCal but remember that there are many different strains of Powdery Mildew and other fungi out there. Perhaps the strain you have is extremely virulent towards the Sweet Tart. Are you sure seeds didnít get mixed up.

LZ is a disease magnet in SoCal.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2019, 05:45:27 PM »
Hey Mike
Cross yr KP with Gary or Pettigrew. It seem like Gary Zill uses this formula with every top tier mango he releases.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 01:49:04 PM »
Dropped by Gelson's today and remembered the Aussie Mango thread.  They had KP priced at $7.99 each.  Turned around and walked out.  I love mangos, but that's an indulgence I will leave to others. 

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 07:34:30 PM »
Priced to match annona.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2019, 04:09:56 AM »
At us7.99 That is a costly experience... In our major food chains the KP are aus$1.50 each...

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2019, 04:27:24 AM »
At us7.99 That is a costly experience... In our major food chains the KP are aus$1.50 each...

Haha was going to say, per tray?!

They were still $2.50 at my local last week (from memory) but certainly get cheaper later in the season.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2019, 04:27:27 AM »
They get a lot cheaper as the season goes on.$1each on the side of the road.Maha Chanok tastes almost as good as KP but are the start of the season are both are very expensive  with maha crazy expensive per kg.


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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2019, 04:33:00 AM »
At us7.99 That is a costly experience... In our major food chains the KP are aus$1.50 each...

It would be reasonable if there was a high demand over here for KP, but I never see anyone rave about it.

Here it's competing directly with our season's production of several mango varieties, and it's going to be competing with our local annona which are highly sought after. Even random seedling non-hand-pollinated runt annona here sell for 4.99/lb. Named varieties are going for similar prices to the KP.

I really wish they would export the aussie annona and passionfruit, it would actually justify the price. The litchis may be good, but I'm not so sure the shelf life allows them to provide similar satisfaction after a trip across the Pacific.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2019, 04:47:25 AM »
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2015-03-30/custard-apple-season-on-queensland-sunshine-coast/6357968
The atemoyas get sent to SE Asia mostly and the local prices are really high also.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2019, 01:18:55 PM »
KP has never really caught on in the USA. Iíve had clones and grafted fruits and both have been underwhelming. As some mention, KP will be competing again Mexican, Peruvian and Brazil mangos which run .25 to .50 per piece.


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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2019, 03:45:53 PM »






Was that one of this shipment JF? How about the KP?
How was it? Most people think very little of R2e2 (pretty but flavourless) but as you know KP is thought of pretty highly.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2019, 04:36:39 PM »
Hi Ulfr
Those were grown here and the KP in San Diego. Iím going to buy
Calypso
Honey Gold
R2E2
KP
From Gelsonís they have received shipments of KP from Australia....awaiting other varieties

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2019, 05:01:46 PM »
It might be good to temper your enthusiasm for calypso and r2e2 and only have modest expectations.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2019, 05:25:37 PM »
Hi Ulfr
Those were grown here and the KP in San Diego. Iím going to buy
Calypso
Honey Gold
R2E2
KP
From Gelsonís they have received shipments of KP from Australia....awaiting other varieties

Cool! Let me know how they go. I second Mikeís comments. As I said my fave is honey gold but most people here like kp. Curious to know if they differ to the ones grown there as we only have older USA cultivars to compare them to. Pretty excited to try the Zill lines when they start fruiting.
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2019, 10:36:34 PM »
The newer Zill varieties are absolutely incredible and a game changer. I hope they grow and fruit well in Australia. Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Venus, Peach Cobbler, PiŮa Colada, Pineapple Pleasure, M4 and E4 are all top notch. Iím eager to see what our Australian friends think about these newer varieties.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2019, 12:14:12 AM »
We don't get any Australian mango in the northeast and I checked even the highest end stores... Peruvian ones are starting slowly...

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2019, 08:02:51 PM »








KP sold at Gelson Hollywood.










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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2019, 06:32:19 AM »
We have Calypso mango in Dubai. It's not a bad mango, but it's a little bland. Possibly pick too early.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2019, 12:30:27 PM »








KP sold at Gelson Hollywood.











Honey Gold is apparently a seedling of KP? Are you implying that it's very similar to Duncan?

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2019, 04:14:33 PM »
not at all. Honey gold is much better then Duncan.

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2019, 08:58:47 PM »
R2E2 from Australia










R2E2 from La Habra








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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2019, 01:59:22 PM »
how was honey gold? is honey gold same as strawberry mango?

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2019, 02:13:15 PM »
how was honey gold? is honey gold same as strawberry mango?
Honey gold is a good mango I would say equivalent to an Edward. Strawberry is same as calypso

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Re: Aussie Mango in USA 19/20
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2019, 07:49:10 PM »
Interesting! I will have to get out the refractometer and have a play :)