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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: orange Eugenia aff. involucrata
« on: January 21, 2022, 09:22:36 PM »
I think I got my seeds in 2018 or so. So about 4 or so years old at this point. I got a bunch of seeds and traded some away, which, one ended up fruiting before mine. I have about 5 left and are around a similar size, about 3' tall with a little bit of bushiness.  Only one has flowered so far. Seems like theres a decent chance of precociousness but it will be interesting to see when the others flower!

Haha, I was just doing a write up for my website because I have a couple of plants in 4" that are ready to sell! 
They'll be up on my website at

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: orange Eugenia aff. involucrata
« on: January 21, 2022, 05:58:10 PM »
Bumping this old thread up!

I have fruited my seedling from Marcos this past year. It was delicious and I had the same impression as Marcos in that it was sweet and had an apricot-y flavor, less tannins and "tartness" that you might find with the classic E. involucrata. 

I have no idea what to think of it's classification but it does morphologically represent E. involucrata minus the fruit color itself, which as far as I know, isn't usually criteria for being a different species. 

spp. refers to multiple species, so I think the sp. would be the proper designation.  Thanks for the info on the aff. and cf.!

Wouldn't it be sp. ?

I got my package and the insects were deemed to be of no concern. 

They destroyed 2 packages of Eugenias that I had that had germinated, although I had gotten packages of Mouriri that were SUPER germinated and they had no issue.  I'm pretty sure Eugenias require the next level plant importation certificate while, Mouriri, which is unlisted is permissable to be imported in with the seed permits.   Not entirely sure, but I'm gonna find out. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Group Seed Order from BRAZIL # 2
« on: January 13, 2022, 08:08:56 PM »
Yee haw! Sounds like we are in the same boat. No germinated seeds getting through, 2 packets for me.  Glad to hear you guys got most of it through!

My seeds are being held because of pests being found. I really got the worst inspector

Some questions I asked the USDA officer and the responses.  Some things I still need to figure out, as in, how to specify a permit that is intended for "Planting and Propagation", a different permit than the SLOS?

Hope this helps others in their imports in the future.

The seller includes a Phytosanitary certificate from Brazil, but I notice that the stipulations of my permit mention that if i meet the requirements of my permit a Phytosanitary is not necessary to be included.  Does the inclusion of a Brazilian PC negate any part of my permit and therefore require different procedures on packaging, shipment, etc.?
Due to the fact that this shipment was not in compliance with the Small Lots of Seeds (SLOS) permit conditions, a phytosanitary certificate is required. If you were in compliance with all of the shipping and packing requirements, a PC would not be required.
If the seller gets a Phytosanitary certificate in Brazil, does that mean that I should have one for US entry as well?
Excluding specific exemptions ( Small Lots of Seeds), all plants for planting offered for importation must be accompanied by a valid phytosanitary certificate issued by the exporting country
Are the small lots seeds permit requirements set in stone? As in, is it possible that I can have seeds shipped in a “foreign matter”, amending my current conditions on my permit? Some of the seeds are recalcitrant and are therefore sensitive to drying out.
If you need to ship seeds packed in an approved packing material (vermiculite is approved), then you need to use a permit listing the scientific genus name you plan to import, the plant part seed, and the intended use of “Planting and Propagation”. The importing procedure with this new permit would be exactly the same, except you would be required to have a PC and you wouldn’t have to comply with all of the extra packing and shipping conditions your current permit requires. It is very unlikely the wording of your SLOS permit will be changed, as this is a policy decision that applies to all Small Lots of Seeds permit holders.
I just checked out the Post-entry quarantine process and didn’t see Eugenia spp. listed, and the subtext under the selection box mentioning that if it is not included in the list then it is not allowed entry at all.  Am I looking in the right area or are they just generally prohibited?
Page 6-492 lists all plant propagules other than seed as Post Entry Quarantine material when it comes from anywhere except Canada. Some of the Eugenia seeds in your shipment have sprouted, which means they are no longer regulated as seeds. This is going to result in you losing 2 packets of Eugenia seed at minimum, as you have to have the permitting done before you import that material.
Ultimately, I do believe that I don’t have a facility that is adequate to meet post entry requirements (most likely).  Although I will be building an indoor propagation and quarantine space. Is there anywhere I can see the requirements for post entry growing facility spaces?
If you are interested in the post entry process and potentially getting a permit to import that material, I would recommend that you read chapter 5-1 to 5-10 of the Plant’s for Planting manual. This will help you understand the process and requirements and give you instructions on how to move forward with the process. The rest of chapter 5 is helpful, but mostly just talks about special requirements for specific post entry genera.

Yeah it seems a little strange that they aren't accepting any medium, as I have called in on a previous seed order to ask about the inclusion of a medium.  I had gotten no push back, and even received a call from the office saying that, "my seeds looked really cool."  It might just be the officer, but, we'll see. 

I've got some work arounds to try and make this still viable, but we'll see. 

Did you have your address on the package as well as the Yellow and Green Label? Cuz if so, that bypasses the inspection station usually. Which is the incorrect way to do it, but customs usually seems to think it's a pass because it looks official, I think.

How's this going for you guys?

Just got a call from USDA that i'm not allowed to have seeds shipped in a vermiculite medium. They are also going to destroy any seeds that are germinated.  Further, the original hardcopy phytosanitary certificate needs to be included. 

Best of luck to you guys, hope you are luckier than me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID Tropical AU Littoral fruit
« on: December 28, 2021, 03:39:39 PM »
Ohhh yep, I agree with Jon!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID Tropical AU Littoral fruit
« on: December 26, 2021, 09:05:56 PM »
On closer look it does look very similar to Nance in the Malphigiaceae.
Although it appears malphigs have the opposite leaves and this is alternate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID Tropical AU Littoral fruit
« on: December 26, 2021, 06:36:37 AM »
Kinda looks like Brosimum alicastrum?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order
« on: December 16, 2021, 10:52:36 AM »
Thanks for putting this together Bill.

I'm a little confused about the order format?  What is the website being used for the order? Is it directly to the seller?  Is there any purchase protection?



Awesome! I love funky peppers.

Are you into sauteeing peppers at all? I've been digging growing the Corbaci because they have such winding curly form, it's awesome, beautiful, and frys up nice.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: New brazilian seller seeds
« on: December 10, 2021, 10:04:23 AM »
Yeah the way this dude is going about this seems incredibly strange

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya Fruit
« on: December 02, 2021, 09:53:11 PM »
Got the box yesterday! Thanks Brad! Fruit looks awesome.

I just reached out the USDA and asked about whether they would refuse entry to seeds that have germinated in transit. 

Ultimately they said that it would be circumstantial and they would have to see the package before making a decision, but, to look at the USDA's plants for planting manual and see if the plant has a restricted live plant material status.  Eugenia spp. is one of the species that is restricted entry.  So be careful if planning on going through the USDA permit system. 

Plants for planting manual:

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya Fruit
« on: November 29, 2021, 01:35:29 PM »
I am interested!

Thanks Brad!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cyber Monday Sale!!
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:45:38 AM »
Thank you for bringing the heat, Kameron!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Black Friday
« on: November 26, 2021, 10:45:48 AM »
I've got everything on sale on the site right now until Tuesday!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Group seed order from Brazil
« on: November 23, 2021, 12:43:04 AM »
Are you getting a permit coming into the US? Is the phytosanitary something required coming from brazil?

How are people's seedlings doing here? It sounds an awful lot like most people's seedlings have died?

I haven't lost any seedlings since I started selling them and have about 7 or so still in 4" pots that are doing great.
I'd be curious to hear about mortality rates on these. 

I'm considering planting out a bunch of my Yangmei and Myrica esculenta into the ground. I've got a 15g male and a 15 g female as well as the grafted BIQI, that is nowhere near as awesome as Simon's.  I also have a handful of seedlings.

I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on planting going into fall or planting come spring. 

It's definitely fake spring right now and all my Myrica are pushing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 11, 2021, 06:01:16 PM »
I think redwood boxes or the IBC tote would be where I'd go next.  At that size you will only be able to move with a pallet jack or a forklift or something, I'd imagine? Redwood looks good and probably would be comparable in cost, although I've scored an IBC tote for 50$.

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