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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizing and Rain for next weekend!
« on: November 15, 2025, 08:26:56 AM »
Never seen so many people excited about such little rain :)
Just kidding. I hope it comes at a manageable rate and the correct volume so as to minimize the risk of slides and other unfortunate effects of too much rain in too little time.

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Resurrecting an old post: My 3-Year Experience with Lychee Erinose Mite (LEM) Management

Having managed LEM for three-plus years now, what is your summary/experience of where things are, and what are your plans going forward?  Are you still growing lychee, or have you given up on it?

I will get us started with my experience:
Wind, birds, insects—whatever the source—I got LEM in my yard. Of my five trees, three in one zone got infected, and the other two initially did not. One of them did eventually get it, some time later. I removed the limbs with visible bumps on the leaves; I did not defoliate the entire tree as often recommended. It is possible that the fourth tree got it via a transfer because of the initial approach I took. Whatever the case, once it did, I treated the entire yard as if all the lychees were infected, and every tree received the same treatment. For the last two years, it appears my approach has stabilized things, and I am back to getting fruit. Unfortunately, I still occasionally see some bumps and remove parts of the trees, but much fewer of late.  In the last year or so, I have treated the two lychee growing parts of my yard differently again, focusing on the zone with the larger older trees, but keeping an eye on the two other trees.

Here is my current regimen:
Spray sulfur on new growth: I spray sulfur whenever there is new growth. I try to spray every two weeks, though I have not been religious about it and miss some time. I believe if I were more disciplined, my approach would work better. The objective is to prevent infestation of the new growth, as that is the time when the leaves are most susceptible to mite infection.
Prune infested branches immediately: I remove any branches or nearby branches that show leaf bumps. I don't wait to get the felt (erineum or erinea); the deformed leaves are sign enough for me. I work "downstream" from the infected leaves. In my opinion, branches below whichever branch has signs of LEM likely already have mites on them. I remove them if the branch has relatively new leaves. Then I spray everything else. The problem is the erineum is like a fortress—there is precious little you can do to get to the mite once they are inside.
Optimized application method: To address the fact that the mites hang out under the leaf, I use the finest spray nozzle I could get my hands on with my powered backpack pump. The adjustable nozzle has a flexible end which I turn upwards and allows me to spray from the bottom up. On the one hand, it gets some spray to the undersides of the leaves; on the other, it creates runoff to the lower branches, potentially spreading the mite. But I assume that if the mites flow in sulfur spray runoff and survive, perhaps they deserve to :). More seriously though, short of an electrostatic sprayer, this is the best I believe I can do.

A Quick Aside on Systemic Treatments
While UF/IFAS does not recommend this product (they recommend Disperss as mentioned earlier in the thread), I have come across some literature that suggests there is a systemic insecticide/miticide called abamectin (brand names include Agri-Mek and Avid) that has some penetrating (translaminar) properties. This allows spray applied to the top of the leaves to penetrate the leaf. Even that research does not suggest this treatment is effective if you already have erinea, but it does suggest it could help protect new leaf growth. I have not tried this yet, but may if the situation worsens. For now, the scheme I am using seems to have stabilized things—not a cure, but an equilibrium of sorts that leaves me with fruit and mostly happy trees, but occasional flares.

Back to my Regime
I spray when the trees flower (not sure if it is good for pollination) and I spray during fruit set, always two weeks or more apart, if I get around to it. The trees away from the main cluster have gone almost a year without any spraying because close inspection has shown no bumps of late. They fruited this past year, and I have tried to make sure I don't infect them by transfer on my person or my tools. I am sure, though, that wind and birds will eventually reinfect them. The main cluster of trees gets a look during my weekly trip through the yard, and a few times a year I will find leaves with bumps and restart the treatment cycle. When I don't, I get lazy with my spraying.

Going forward:
It has been three years now, and I think I will continue to grow lychee in my yard. I have a regimen that seems to work for me. Unfortunately, I live in an area where there are many lychee trees, including some growing in unmanaged and undeveloped (but fenced, large lots of two acres plus) areas, so there will always be a source of disease pressure. I just hope I have found the balance and can keep a productive tree, with more work than I would like to, in the south Florida yardscape.


I would like to learn what you have done that has worked.  I am also very happy to get suggestions or critiques of my approach.

   






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about Garcinia Kola seed
« on: November 12, 2025, 11:35:53 PM »
Thanks,  I will try planting a couple to see what happens. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Question about Garcinia Kola seed
« on: November 11, 2025, 11:01:39 PM »
In some countries, Garcinia Kola is sold in markets and eaten as a chew.
Can these be planted, or have they been processed or stored too long to germinate?

A friend got me a few, but instead of eating them I would love to plant them

If you believe they are still viable, any tips on speeding up germination?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizing and Rain for next weekend!
« on: November 07, 2025, 11:01:09 PM »
That’s going to be a nice tree in a couple of years.  Add the after pictures if you can.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Little Seedling Mango Flowering
« on: November 07, 2025, 10:40:38 PM »
That is pretty unusual, but not sure this is a good thing once past the novelty.  Am I missing something?

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I won't be spraying for PM until next year or close to flowering.
At that time, I will start with something to knock down whatever is in place, then get on a maintenance cycle with sulfur.
For now, I am reviewing performance from this past season and seeing if there is something I can learn to do better next season.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Passiflora-quadrangularis Challenge"
« on: November 02, 2025, 04:01:22 PM »
Got some info on this variety from this web site https://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Passiflora+quadrangularis

They describe it as being not self-fertile, which means I likely was fortunate to have planted it with another vine.
Interestingly, not only is the pulp consumed, but also the flesh, which apparently is thick and can be used as a vegetable.

I should have seeds when I pick these fruits, and I will be happy to sell some to interested growers.


Interested

Noted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Passiflora-quadrangularis Challenge"
« on: November 02, 2025, 03:58:12 PM »
My vine is still growing, but it never flowered. It's in a 5 gallon pot, already moved indoors for the winter.
Don't baby it too much and feed it too much fertilizer, especially Nitrogen, it will "go to vine" instead of fruiting.  Careful with the water as well.
Ignore it a little and let it stress slightly (not dry out or start to wilt, that will be too much;) it will flower.  Before mine flowered, the stem was 1 inch in diameter or so at the pot, the roots must be in the ground because it was a 5-gallon pot and had not been moved in a year or so.


"Excessive application of nitrogen fertilizer in particular can contribute to excessive vegetative growth rather than flowering. To encourage flowering, reduce fertilizer rates once the vine has reached maturity. "
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/HS1397

Look in the drilldown under Nitrogen for Excessive Nitrogen http://geisseler.ucdavis.edu/Guidelines/Annual_Crops.html


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Passiflora-quadrangularis Challenge"
« on: November 02, 2025, 03:09:33 PM »
Got some info on this variety from this web site https://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Passiflora+quadrangularis

They describe it as being not self-fertile, which means I likely was fortunate to have planted it with another vine.
Interestingly, not only is the pulp consumed, but also the flesh, which apparently is thick and can be used as a vegetable.

I should have seeds when I pick these fruits, and I will be happy to sell some to interested growers.


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No complaints here. Just sprayed 20 gallons of micronized elemental sulfur. ¼ cup per 4 gallon tank.
Nice.  Thanks for sharing.

1. Was this for Lychee Erinose Mite (LEM) control on emerging growth on Lychee?
2. Which nozzle did you use and what spray characteristic (super fine almost mist, or heavy, almost jet) were you going for?

The reason I ask is that LEM control on new flushes requires exceptional coverage and canopy penetration to reach the mites on the underside of the leaves and in the erinea, which usually means using a finer droplet size.  The difficulty in a heavy canopy is that while finer droplets are best, achieving coverage on the inner parts often requires inserting the wand. We want to avoid that physical contact, as the wand can accidentally spread mites (a form of mechanical transfer)

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A year in, and I am very satisfied with my unit. I have only used one nozzle and have never used the telescoping wand.

The Flexi with Adjustable Brass Nozzle was perfect for my needs and could be adjusted or shaped to provide different spray patterns delivered at various angles.

Share how yours has held up.



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Akin, don't forget to give your huge PQ vine a name since I didn't know where I got it from and it was probably a seedling tree on ebay.
That fruit has to be one of the largest ones around. I hope it tastes good.

Until I taste it and get a feel for what it should be named, I will just call it Jupiter-1.  Completely uninspiring name, I know, but other than the size, I don't know if this is a must-have.

The good thing is it is fruiting again, and this time on a low vine that didn't climb up a pine tree.  It flowered all summer, and I thought there were no fruit until a few days ago when I saw these beauties.  This time, I hope to taste it and provide some feedback.

For folks who want vine cuttings, let me know.






   
First fruit:

     
Second fruit:

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting. Stoopid question ;)
« on: October 30, 2025, 10:58:13 PM »
The theory is that your immature scion will, unfortunately, still need to go through its juvenile stage. It can gain vigor and reach a good size from a mature rootstock, but it won't skip the juvenile phase. However, the strong, established root system will encourage much faster growth, helping the scion grow through its juvenile phase more quickly than it would on its own.

I have tried this and believe it to be true.

I can also share that if the scion comes from a tiny grafted tree, perhaps still in a 3-gallon pot, rest assured that as long as the original graft was made with mature wood, you will still have a scion that can bypass the juvenile phase. The important factor is the age of the wood used for the scion, not the size of the tree it is taken from.

It's also worth remembering that a vigorous, mature rootstock encourages vegetative growth, which can sometimes slightly delay fruiting compared to a dwarfing or semi-dwarfing rootstock. But the hormonal signals from the established root system can still have a positive influence on overall development, contributing to a shorter juvenile phase.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango budwwod on lara farms website
« on: October 30, 2025, 10:29:56 PM »
I thought it was some kind of error.  I guess the value of an item is whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

If it is rare enough, $15 or $30 may be the right price for the scions.
For the more common items, it would be hard to get $15 per scion unless it is guaranteed to take.  Keep replacing at no additional cost other than shipping until you get one to take :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango budwwod on lara farms website
« on: October 30, 2025, 06:55:20 AM »
At 30 a scion  that is close to retail on a grafted 1 gallon tree.

Perhaps there is different pricing on multiple scion buys.

Has anyone purchased,  do share what the actual total charged cost came to.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Passiflora-quadrangularis Challenge"
« on: October 29, 2025, 12:13:28 AM »
It is fruiting again.  This time on a vine that is low and within easy reach.
I will add pictures soon.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona frustrations, looking for advice
« on: October 28, 2025, 11:21:47 PM »
has anyone actually gotten cherimoya to fruit on the east coast? it seems like a waste of time.

I seem to recall someone reporting they did, but the fruit was no good, which in my books is still a waste when the time and effort could be directed to more productive varieties.

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So curious, what are you doing with 200 San Pablo seedlings?

A nursery, an orchard, or a selection experiment to find a superior offspring?  Do share.


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Good to know.  It may be short-lived on this side of compost.

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Thanks.

I will keep it for a while longer, and if it continues to do well, it stays.  If it doesn't do much, I will reclaim the spot it is on.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can someone please help identify this plant
« on: September 28, 2025, 11:24:44 AM »
Bump - any suggestions?

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I think the same thing, well-aged compost.  Some people informally call well-aged compost "fertilizer".  I have had many people chicken litter compost fertilizer, and it always throws me until I realize that was what was being described.
You certainly do not want to plant any seeds in chemical fertilizer at anything remotely close to that ratio.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Sapote Competition
« on: September 28, 2025, 11:10:45 AM »
The two best options are to keep the pot in nearly full sun and let that help cook off the excess moisture after you water. Or just plant it in the ground in a spot that drains well. You can always move them in 6 months or a year if they recover. These are difficult trees to source, so if having one is important to your garden, I would call Xain and see if he has any left and then go grab one and put it in the ground. I saw some nice waist-high 3 gallons last time I was there.

The section of the yard I want to plant them in is still 3 weeks out from being worked/graded, so not going in the ground yet. Xain's or any other, like a guy called Mike (in Palm City?) who I believe carries what I think might be a good jujube I want, are just too far to not have to make special plans to get down there, but it will happen after the yard is ready.
Thank you for the help and suggestions.
Mike, I believe is Trees N More.
I have had a great experience buying trees from him.  I am not completely objective; I have met and liked the guy.  That aside, his prices are good, and his trees are in good shape too; it very well may be worth the drive.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Cac mango scions - Mondy and Tuesday only
« on: September 28, 2025, 08:17:32 AM »
I have some Cac mango scions for sale. $5 a piece.  $11 priority mail shipping and $30 for priority express.

These are a combination of excess prepped scions, plus some just naturally pushing bud from a branch I had to remove

They were cut last night, will be prepped today, and shipped on Monday or Tuesday.



The examples in the pictures below were not prepped (you can tell from the petioles, which have not fallen off), but they had some nice swelling buds.  Also, not all of them look like these.

 
Done for now.

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