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1rainman:
They don't grow true to seed and most seeds revert to something closer to a wild type. So if you grow a bunch of seeds they should pollinate each other. They use wild pecans for root stock generally just grown from seed.

Usually the online farms have about three varieties. So if they have Eliot you can see the other two they use to pollinate each other. Elliot is the only one native to Florida that is a domesticated variety. There's some that are south Georgia maybe north Florida compatible. In central or south Florida pecans grow but don't get nuts due to lack of winter though Elliot can get nuts with almost no winter.

Pokeweed:
Really good info. Thanks! I'll  check out petals of the past. I should have started pecans years ago. I don't know the variety, but people in the area have young trees they have to thin nuts or prop the limbs to keep them from breaking. I have a couple types of almond but they have never fruited. I need to investigate that. D

1rainman:
Pretty much.any southern type which is most of them should work in Texas. Some are more disease resistant than others. Florida other than north Florida we lack the chill.hoursband Elliot is the lowest chill hour one.

Elliot is the only hard shell that is popular. The wild ones are all hard shell. But it has the best flavor. It's a bunch of work getting pecans first removing the green covering then cracking the shells. But it's a survival food. It has all the nutrients you need so you could survive on them a long time in an emergency.

Petals from the past also has a concord like grape called foxie Lottie which is primarily aestavalis. But they are often sold out of stover. I told the guy I get my grape seeds from he needs to sell rooted cuttings. You just can't even buy southern varieties anywhere. He gets them from requests to the university of California which keeps and breeds plants or old collections. You have to know people. Petals from the past is one of the only places and they only have two varieties.

I had one pecan from seed but don't have the property anymore. Elliot seed. It went dormat when it got dry in the winter despite it not being cold. Same deal with some grapes being dried out helps induce dormancy and helps them stay in it. But even with grapes a good cold snap and you get larger crops if it goes below freezing.

1rainman:
I looked it up. Pedals of the past has been sold out of stover for a couple years. Maybe they gave up selling it.

There was a Florida winery that sold stover wine for a long time but some fungus got to them and they were replaced with my scadines. I'm guessing it was rust fungus which is mainly an issue in really humid tropical areas but I have a lot of it on my grapes here. Some are more resistant than others but even wild grapes can have some disease here where it's 100% humidity most the year.

The guy in Tampa let's his get diseased which results in lower yield but probably better flavor. He says it's good almost chardonnay type wine. I have Suwannee which has similar disease resistance and similar rated wine but different flavor and lineage though has big berries and is therefore a better table grape. It takes a lot of disease damage but can survive without spray like stover. I hope to move north it's too far south for grapes here despite all the wild ones. I'll just use the great wild material here for breeding.

Galatians522:

--- Quote from: 1rainman on January 03, 2023, 04:40:57 AM ---They don't grow true to seed and most seeds revert to something closer to a wild type. So if you grow a bunch of seeds they should pollinate each other. They use wild pecans for root stock generally just grown from seed.

Usually the online farms have about three varieties. So if they have Eliot you can see the other two they use to pollinate each other. Elliot is the only one native to Florida that is a domesticated variety. There's some that are south Georgia maybe north Florida compatible. In central or south Florida pecans grow but don't get nuts due to lack of winter though Elliot can get nuts with almost no winter.

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I found another one native to Florida called Curtis. Its from the Jacksonville area. It has small nuts like Eliott, but they have flecks on the nut halves that some people don't like. So, it never became as well known. Unfortunately, it happens to be the same pollen type as Eliott female flowers first (or protogynus). I know of some bearing pecans in the l
Lake Placid area. Some day I will see if any of them are male first (protodandrus). Even if the nut quality wasn't great, I would still be happy with a pollinator for the other two.

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