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This one? IIRC there's two named after Rio Parnaiba. I believe the other one has narrow leaves.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai Mai Pink Lychee in canada
« on: December 02, 2023, 12:25:19 AM »
i saw that it can handle -10 temps so i ordered the plant online for $130
Where did you find this information? 

How do you have a 5-year old piray jaboticaba, when Marcos first offered seeds of it last year?

And here's "M. obscura," which according to wikipedia is a synonym of M. dubia. Same photo as the piray, clearly not camu camu. Fruit pic looks like red hybrid.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 22, 2023, 12:55:53 AM »
Was yours grafted? My grafted ones try to fruit in 1 gallon pots, not even two feet tall.

Thank you Miguel, the seeds arrived safely, no issues with the USDA Small Lots Permit. Two and a half weeks door to door.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bactris genus cold tolerance
« on: November 21, 2023, 06:41:48 PM »
Anyone growing these palms on the mainland?  Interested in attempting Bactris ferruginea but have no idea if they would withstand our winters.  Not a whole lot of info out there on their ability to take cold, I did find some page saying that will not take even 32F.
I looked into that one a bit too. You probably found the same Palmtalk threads I did. With how passionate palm people are, I think the fact that nobody even in Florida seems to be growing it means it's probably not possible. Plus it's really spiny, and like 40 ft tall. IIRC FFF is growing Bactris setosa though, so that at last must have some cold tolerance.

Some nice pictures:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JoeHewitt!! Show us your place!
« on: November 21, 2023, 06:30:22 PM »
Part 3 is out for all those jabo addicts !!
thanks for sharing these epic videos
what a special place congrats to Joe and his Team makings dreams happen

Link please?  I didn't see it in a search.
Part 3:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starting a farm in Southern California
« on: November 21, 2023, 06:28:35 PM »
Why is water such an issue down there? I looked up the city rates, and it's about the same pricing as in the Bay Area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 15, 2023, 12:30:33 PM »
Houston moves to 9b despite two 8b storms
The new maps are average annual lows for 1991-2020. IIRC those storms were more recent.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: For the love of concrete!!
« on: November 09, 2023, 12:03:00 PM »
Please post your results Jeramyl.

It'd be cool to see a greenhouse built around a boulder. Or over a concrete cistern.

Kevin, I don't know how much insulation would do, since the subsurface ground is probably around 65. Especially as you get away from the edges into the center of the greenhouse. If anything, it might hurt once the greenhouse dips below 65. It'd be neat to have metal heat exchanging fins down into the ground below the slab. Maybe geotubes are just better? Or metal geotubes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: For the love of concrete!!
« on: November 08, 2023, 05:21:02 PM »
Another neat idea is to use phase change materials (pcm’s). Water barrels work like this, if the water were to freeze they release a huge amount of energy (100x what you can get from a concrete floor) they also use special salt solutions and waxes. You can really nerd out on this stuff, but you start to sound kinda weird… and eventually people don’t want to talk to you anymore, so then you just talk to your plants. I’ll shut up now.
Good in theory, but if it's really 100x better, where are the real-world examples? Pneuma has experimental data showing his concrete works much better than I'd have expected, basically not needing a heater. You're saying PCMs could keep his greenhouse above 60 degrees 100x better, so what, for 1/100th the cost? Let's say it's 10 grand of concrete. What can you do with $100 worth of PCMs? Could you even do it for the same cost?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Yangmei Giveaway
« on: November 07, 2023, 02:05:56 PM »
It was either 76 or 80. Also he posted in a pervipus discussion a couple weeks ago that he had 75+ varieties. Then during the giveaway he said someone was 1 number away from being correct after i had posted 75 and 81. So close but not close enought :(

"Some of you were" not "one of you was," so there had to be a guess on either side. That left: 6, 13, 16, 68, and 80.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Yangmei Giveaway
« on: November 06, 2023, 11:26:36 PM »
68 or 80

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tips for finding a "Greenhouse sitter"????
« on: November 01, 2023, 02:07:41 AM »
It sounds like you already have an awesome helper, but your system might be more complicated than it needs to be. Why can't you put the drip on a timer, with the water turned on by solenoid valve? And maybe you could add some sprayers on a valve to overhead water the potted plants, that you'd only turn on when you're going to be away. Not as good as hand watering, but I bet you could make it work. The heat, could you not put it on some sort of smart controller that you can monitor on your phone? Or a smart thermometer to alert you when there's an issue? Regarding your sister not recognizing if there's an issue, other than underwatering, what issue could she need to recognize if we're talking about a few weeks? As long as my plants are getting watered, there's not too much that could happen in a few weeks of me being gone. You could even put cameras in, so you could check remotely for issues.

The way you describe it, like a toddler, needing constant supervision, it sounds like you may be in an abusive relationship with your plants. Somewhat joking, but somewhat serious. And if you are injured and off your feet for weeks or months, how much time each day will it take your family to take care of things, and will you be jeopardizing your recovery trying to move around in there doing things yourself when you should be in bed? I'm sorry to get so serious, but I think anything you can do now to make it more on autopilot is worth doing.

Personally, I just don't leave for more than a few days in the summer, or a week in the winter. I know it's a labor of love for me, but I can't expect other people to care. Last couple trips I went on I came back to plants looking like they would've died if I'd been a few hours longer. But once I get a permanent place, I hope to get things automated like I preach.

$50 doesn't sound bad, for two 30 minute visits. If it takes 15 minutes to get there, that's two hours total. And that gas costs money, etc.

And Ryan, I love that your friend is named Oatmeal. It'd be awesome if he found a girl named Raisin.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JoeHewitt!! Show us your place!
« on: October 30, 2023, 06:28:08 PM »
Bittersweet to see this was the final part. Interesting to see that each place has its problems. Those rose beetles in particular.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: small lot seeds- max 50 seeds
« on: October 29, 2023, 05:32:14 PM »
Per packet maximum of 10 grams OR 50 seeds per packet (whichever is more). So for small seeds it can be well over 50 seeds. 50 packets per package.

How much better are they than the old ones? Do the plants look the same?

Mine keeps putting out flowers like your number 1. I'm debating chopping it down. Are both those flowers on the same plant? It doesn't seem to me like the incomplete flowers are male, just missing the sexual parts. I read tomatoes can do that under the wrong conditions... idk. It might be a good rootstock for tomatoes.

Thanks for reporting. I hope these obscure imports from the past few years start getting into domestic circulation, and the results shared like this.

Make sure they're hot and humid.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 17, 2023, 11:26:42 AM »
Well, I am really in the middle of Atlantic... in an island. More closer to Europe than US.

Can you (or anyone here) recomment a jaboticaba vendor operating in Europe ?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Guaporetí (Plinia rivularis)!
« on: October 12, 2023, 10:33:10 PM »
Do you know how big these generally need to be to fruit? Mine is almost 4 years old:

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Paw Paw tree's
« on: October 12, 2023, 06:41:21 PM »
that was my 1st fresh pawpaw custardy texture reminded me of its related cherimoya but softer the fruit had this almost flan taste going on I really enjoyed would make great ice cream i bet.  I put all the seeds I got out of the fruits in the fridge ill plant them in a month or so.  Crazy to think that pawpaw are the biggest native fruit to north America and almost went extinct during world war 2.
In aaronn message he states that planting in the spring maybe be the best bet due to pawpaw roots may not grow much during winter dormancy.  I was reading the roots are sensitive.  I like that Deer dont like Pawpaw either and you can plant them close 5ft spacing to emulate how they grow in the wild.  Im thinlking about planting a row now and planting another row in spring to compare.

You could just plant the seeds now and let nature do the stratification. That's the point of it after all, to postpone germination until spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The secret to growing a healthy Pitomba?
« on: October 12, 2023, 11:52:36 AM »
Mine grow fine outside all year in pots. I planted 7 seeds from FLnative 3-1/2 years ago, have 7 plants about 10 inches tall, with around a dozen growth points and peeling bark. They grow slowly but without issues, similar to pitangatuba. Full sun from a young age. I always thought they were unhappy with my climate, didn't bother to repot them much, but looking at them now after reading this thread, I see they're actually pretty happy. Hopefully I can cross them with my good-tasting pitangatuba. E-jardim says they're supposed to fruit after 2-3 years, but I think mine have a long way to go. I don't remember if they've seen frost, probably, but it's been down to 26 F several times. I don't think they're quite hardy enough to be planted in-ground though, same as pitanagatuba.

I'd never really made the connection, but the more I think about it the more similar to pitangatubas they seem. Growth habit, growth rate, etc. I'd say pitangatubas are more sensitive though to overfertilization, root disturbance, or drought. One of mine was wilting after only a few days recently. Pitombas seem like they'd be some of the last survivors if I stopped watering all together.

My advice would be start some seeds in your own conditions, and don't be too gentle with them.

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