Any truth to story of Tim Thomson going out of business?

[fyliu]

I have a friend with a few of these mangoes flowering this year and I think he kept a fruit or 2 of a lower branch and let the top grow more. He planted them last fall into the ground.

I have little mango experience but the consensus agrees with Rob, especially for growing in California since the plants can actually stop growing from the stress.

Tim Thompson was reluctant to sell to people that are more north in California at first. He said there's a limit to the cold tolerance. Somehow he ended up doing that anyway. Maybe because people really wanted it.

He said to my group that his clonal rootstock was airlayered. It was supposed to be very fast growing and cold tolerant yet found to root pretty easily. That must be really hard to make enough to sell his trees. That or he switched to regular rootstocks or tissue cultured from that rootstock.

[Eirlis]

I wonder if there are people out there that pay for trees and never receive them?
Tim promise me he was going to bring his mangos to my tasting but always came up with excuses.

Yes. I pre-ordered a tree and never received it and he never responded to my attempts to contact him. At least it was only for one tree, so I'm not out very much.

[wussero]

BS Bully,

Mango trees are unique,  in that it will exhaust itself if you do not let it fruit enough before picking it off.  This is Tim's instructions, and he is right.

One must have the mango's about 1.5 CM, to then pick it off. 
This insures the plant will go into it's vegetative growth mode, otherwise it runs the risk of wanting to create more fruit.

My tree currently got the idea.  I did accidentally brush some tiny fruit early. when I was getting rid of the deteriorating dried out flours.

Yesterday, I noticed new leaves are starting to grow. which is good.

For the remaining 3-4 fruits on the tree.  I am waiting for them to get 1.5 cm, then pick them off.

[bsbullie]

BS Bully,

Mango trees are unique,  in that it will exhaust itself if you do not let it fruit enough before picking it off.  This is Tim's instructions, and he is right.

One must have the mango's about 1.5 CM, to then pick it off. 
This insures the plant will go into it's vegetative growth mode, otherwise it runs the risk of wanting to create more fruit.

My tree currently got the idea.  I did accidentally brush some tiny fruit early. when I was getting rid of the deteriorating dried out flours.

Yesterday, I noticed new leaves are starting to grow. which is good.

For the remaining 3-4 fruits on the tree.  I am waiting for them to get 1.5 cm, then pick them off.

Most definitely, mangoes are extremely unique.  Especially those ultra rare cold hardy varieties.  😅😂😄😄😔😔🙊🙉🙈

Yeah, Im just an idiot who knows nothing.  You follow ole Timmy and you will be just fine.  Now where did I put that cup of kool aid...

[Mr. Clean]

I'am not happy that he might be failing but just trying to find out facts of the matter! I find it interesting that folks claim there are no cold hardy Mango's when I understand that there are varieties from India that grow in colder mountain regions! Or is that a hoax's too!
Would be interesting to find out for sure!

I wouldn't be surprised if a cold hardy mango was discovered someday.  Maybe next year, maybe not in my lifetime.  My rationale for is Dr. Campbell claimed that the jackfruit from Fairchild's jackfruit program as seedlings survived a freeze that killed mature jackfruit right next to the seedlings.  Thus, all of Fairchild's seedling jackfruit are likely more cold tolerant than regular jackfruit.  Get 10,000 mango seeds and plant them in a colder temperature, see what survives.  Repeat this enough and you should get a cold tolerant mango.  After getting a cold tolerant mango, then the process would be repeated for other desireable characteristics, like good tasting, productive, disease resistance, etc. 

It is far easier to buy mangos from www.MangosByMail.com, than to develop a cold hardy mango.

[fruitlovers]

Don't cold tolerant mangoes already exist? According to Dr. Campbell, and some members of this forum, any species of mangifera, and there are many, can be called a "wild mango". I don't personally agree with that, but if it's true then cold tolerant wild mangoes already exist. There are species of mangifera that naturally occur at higher elevations. They may not be tolerant to frost, but they are going to be more cold tolerant then regular mango.
It seems to me that it would be a LOT easier to hybridize some of these species with regular mango than to select from 10,000 seedling mangoes over 2 generations of out growing.

[Mr. Clean]

Don't cold tolerant mangoes already exist? According to Dr. Campbell, and some members of this forum, any species of mangifera, and there are many, can be called a "wild mango". I don't personally agree with that, but if it's true then cold tolerant wild mangoes already exist. There are species of mangifera that naturally occur at higher elevations. They may not be tolerant to frost, but they are going to be more cold tolerant then regular mango.
It seems to me that it would be a LOT easier to hybridize some of these species with regular mango than to select from 10,000 seedling mangoes over 2 generations of out growing.

My point is I think it is possible.  I've seen 3 gal in ground mango trees survive down to 28F without significant damage.  This wasn't "special" cold tolerant trees, but cold preparation ahead of the freeze, such as irrigation a few days before the cold to trap in warmth.  Other factors, such as a short cold snap, no wind, etc. helped the trees.

I think the "wild mango" has rootstock compatibility issues; Fairchild had to double graft with an internode species to get surviving. 

[druss]

Cold hardy hybrids could be possible, depending on how cold you call cold. Mangifera austroyunnanensis grows to 1400m and mangifera sylvatica to 1500-1600m. Not sure if they would cross easily with true mangos. Mangifera rubropetala has good characteristics as well.

[fruitlovers]

Don't cold tolerant mangoes already exist? According to Dr. Campbell, and some members of this forum, any species of mangifera, and there are many, can be called a "wild mango". I don't personally agree with that, but if it's true then cold tolerant wild mangoes already exist. There are species of mangifera that naturally occur at higher elevations. They may not be tolerant to frost, but they are going to be more cold tolerant then regular mango.
It seems to me that it would be a LOT easier to hybridize some of these species with regular mango than to select from 10,000 seedling mangoes over 2 generations of out growing.

My point is I think it is possible.  I've seen 3 gal in ground mango trees survive down to 28F without significant damage.  This wasn't "special" cold tolerant trees, but cold preparation ahead of the freeze, such as irrigation a few days before the cold to trap in warmth.  Other factors, such as a short cold snap, no wind, etc. helped the trees.

I think the "wild mango" has rootstock compatibility issues; Fairchild had to double graft with an internode species to get surviving.

First of all  i wasn't talking about using cold hardy rootstock, but rather about hybridizing (using pollen from one species onto another). Also the problem Fairchild's had with root compatibility was on using regular rootstock mango to graft on Wani (Mangifera caesia) scions. Those 2 are incompatible, but i believe that most species are compatible, and that the exceptions are few. For example, kuini (Mangifera odorata) and kasturi (Mangifera kasturi) are compatible with mango, and even those 2 species are found at higher elevations than mango. So probably some cold hardiness could be developed, the only question is how significant the cold hardiness would be?

[knlim000]

I think my duncan is cold tolerant.  It was outside all winter long. And it grew out to be very nice and is flowering like crazy like now.  Will  post some pictures .

[Luisport]

I thought that my gomera 1 was killed by the extreme cold we got this winter (-6.5C), but yesterday i saw that she is sprouting from roots! Just impressive! 

[wussero]

It has been another few years.  The tree has survived 32-34 degree temperatures this past month without damage.  Although growing slowly, it started budding on the branch that refused to bud in earlier years.

[mirrabellam]

I still miss those mangos!

[meantinc]

I still miss those mangos!

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[Bush2Beach]

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[spaugh]

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