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Uf did research on this. Finger lime root stock conveys a decent amount of hlb tolerance but not 100%. Other tolerant root stocks like sour orange etc. dont seem to add much tolerance. For some reason they grafted one tree onto australian lime and a normal root stock for maximum benefit one tree two root stocks.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Song Hay double happiness oranges
« on: January 17, 2025, 12:46:52 PM »
Valencia are usually the sweetest variety but they are used for juice so hard to find as fruit. Navels are good but the juice turns acidic after it sits so they cant be juices and are usually the eating orange you find but valencia is sweeter. But they have several types of valencia and navel that are slightly different. Some might be a little sweeter than others. Florida oranges taste better than california and juicier even the same variety. California oranges look pretty but are mediocre due to a drier less humid climate and temerature differences. So where its grown is more important than variety. Its probably based on a location where they are grown. Like Indian river florida is supposed to be the best citrus in florida which florida is the best citrus so its like best of the best. But now everything taste like crap due to hlb.

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Once you cut a branch from a tree that blooms it will bloom even if its a tiny stick. Grapefruit tend to produce really good fruit from seed but the trees are so tall its hard to reach them. Grapefruit seem to be the tallest from seed I guess pommelo is similar I’m not familiar with them. Most oranges from seed arent too big maybe 12’-15’ though they usually have large thorns from seed grapefruit are not thorny. Grapefruit originally were used for shade trees more than for fruit. But citrus are all usually grafted on the same root stock so grow the same height unless from seed. Id say grapefruit is more like 15-20’ from seed compared to oranges though some are close to orange size. A typical grafted tree is usually only 10’ or 12’ maybe 15’ at the very biggest but they grow more bushy. From seed they just grow straight up.

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Grapefruit from seed grows into a tall shade tree. You would need a rooted cutting or a cutting grafted on to dwarf root stock cut from a fruit bearing tree. It wont have room to grow in a pot so probably wont fruit.

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Cant be any worse than all the insecticides they use commercially but I wouldnt want it for a backyard tree. I would like a fingerlime crossed with a tangelo or something. Maybe an f2 or f3 of good quality that I can grow in a large pot.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Noble Citrus
« on: January 02, 2025, 06:33:22 PM »
Yeah I wrote about it under the sugarbell thread looks like sugarbell similar but slightly different taste. Good juicy tangerine few to no seeds.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: citrus fruits and frost
« on: December 27, 2024, 09:58:28 PM »
If small new fruit cant handle frost. Mature fruit usually ok in light frost might take damage.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: citrus fruits and frost
« on: December 27, 2024, 03:46:15 PM »
Most cold hardy to least

1. Trifoliate
2. Sour orange
3. Grapefruit

They take frost pretty well and easily can take 20 f for a night if it warms back up.

4. Tangelos (grapefruit hybrids)
5. Meyer lemon (its pretty cold hardy compared to most citrus)

Now the less cold hardy these will only take frost if the tree is medium or big. Tree size is a big factor. Fruit depends on size too.

6. Tangerine (satsuma is more cold hardy but in general)

7.  Navel orange. Still pretty cold hardy but starting to cross the border into less hardy types.
8. Most other oranges.
9. Valencia, pineapple orange some others cant really take frost.
10. Lemons and limes very cold sensitive. Meyer is a hybrid not a real lemon.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 22, 2024, 12:41:25 PM »
I just ate a honeybell of the tree. They are the exact same size and shape, similar flavor, similar sweetness. Sugarbell has more seeds and skin doesnt peel as easy but they seem like brother and sister probably from the same cross. Both were juicy. I have them side by side they are practically the same. Theres even a slight grapefruit flavor and bell shape on the nobles that arent found in true tangerines. I think all of them are more tart less sweet this year just a bad year but I am cutting back sugar anyway Ill eat a pure grapefruit doesnt bother me.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 21, 2024, 12:25:56 PM »
I was at Publix and saw what looked like sugarbells. Same size shape and similar color. Its a noble tangerine. Flavor is similar but I like sugarbell better it has more of a honeybell flavor but they are similar. Biggest difference these are easier to peel and come apart like a tangerine and almost seedless. Sweetness is about the same these nobles are not super sweet but are supposes to be I guess bad year but super juicy which mainly comes from growing in Florida. They have to be related but I cant find any information on the parentage. I would say these are either a sinling of sugarbell or a sugarbell crossed with a tangerine. They do sell a tree that is a sugarbell x (minneola x orange) which is hlb resistant I would like to try that one. Apparently one farm/family claims this tree as their own but I prefer sugarbell but its something very similar you can buy at publix.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango seeds
« on: December 20, 2024, 06:28:43 PM »
Well its not native. A racoon had to have picked something out of the trash and planted it there. Mangos come up all the time from seed here when someone throws it down. They grow easily in Florida as long as it doesnt freeze. So I thought if its doing well on its own I should grow another. I put some good dirt around the base. Seems to be doing good after brackish water surged last two hurricanes.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango seeds
« on: December 19, 2024, 09:43:07 PM »
Yeah I checked the leaves against mango leaves. We will find out eventually I guess. Things like avacado do look similar but seems to be a mango.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango seeds
« on: December 19, 2024, 04:02:10 PM »



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 17, 2024, 05:17:44 PM »
A not all the way ripe one is somewhat unsweet like a grapefruit but a ripe one is like a honeybell with a splash of tangerine added. Looks like they ripen late December. Theres just a small tree here so I dont have a lot of experience but sounds like they get more seeds in a big grove the ones here just have a few seeds similar to a honeybell.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 17, 2024, 05:01:39 PM »
The small tree we have theres only a few seeds. They arent all the way ripe yet maybe yours were picked too early. They are usually sweet.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango seeds
« on: December 17, 2024, 04:41:27 PM »
Whatever this thing is in the woods from a store mango has good disease resistance growing in lousy sand

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 16, 2024, 08:51:09 PM »
I think sugar bell x sour orange might yield something decent. This love affair with poncirus it tastes nasty.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango seeds
« on: December 16, 2024, 08:01:48 PM »
I can buy a mango in the store but I was looking for something that might be better here. There is one growing wild in the woods so seems they grow here easily. It didnt die from the salt water surge. Normally its too cold for mangoes but this past 8 years or so only went down to 33. I probably want a cold resistant variety.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 16, 2024, 02:52:47 PM »
It's a cross between honeybell and a tangerine and that's what the fruit is like. Similar to honey bell but more tangerine flavor than honeybell and smaller fruit kind of half way between a honeybell and small tangerine in fruit size. It's slightly sweeter than honeybell due to more tangerine influence. So the fruit is pretty good if you like honeybell and I consider honeybell to be one of the best citrus. Taste is closer to honeybell than it is tangerine I would say. The tree itself is very vigorous and produces well. The fruit on the trees this year taste nasty after the salt water storm surge.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Mango seeds
« on: December 16, 2024, 02:47:40 PM »
Anyone have some good mango seeds of florida varieties?

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Wanted: rooted citrus in florida
« on: December 11, 2024, 11:52:24 AM »
Does anyone have any luck rooting citrus cuttings? I give up but Id like something other than lemons or limes preferably hlb tolerant variety rooted. I need cuttings because they stay small I can grow it in a pot.

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The coast is similar to jacksonville or the northern edge of the panhandle. Cabbage palms and similar subtropical plants. Land and homes are expensive like florida and tourist areas. A short distance inland its a totally different climate mild temperate forest. Relatively mild weather but not subtropical at all. Four seasons. Similar to Georgia it would be a place for peaches and pecans stuff adapted to a southern temperate climate. You could do well with a greenhouse since it wont get extremely cold it shouldnt be too hard to protect stuff.

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Usually hybrids have a small number of seeds not always though. Like grapefruit and mandarin are full of seeds but a hybrid tangelo you only get a few because it’s somewhat incompatible with itself or other citrus. Pure seedless is rare in citrus I don’t know how it’s done.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyers lemon tree
« on: September 26, 2024, 11:01:08 PM »
Actually I had a praying mantis that lived on the tree for two years and he stayed on it even when I brought it inside. I kept expecting him to leave. But I guess eventually he got tired of me bothering him or died or something he was on it two summers and one winter. One time I got nearly invisible tiny slugs sucking the juice out of the tree sap and the tree was alive but not super healthy and eventually I was able to kill them with neem oil. When it’s outside in the summer out in full sun rain getting sprayed by the hose it does great. When it’s indoors you might get spider mites or those slugs. I put it in the bath tub and showered it and used neem oil a couple times but not much. It never gets the right amount of light just hangs in there during winter though it did bloom flowers all over the place in winter before. Was really cool having a praying mantis it just stayed on the tree never left.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyers lemon tree
« on: September 26, 2024, 10:46:57 PM »
I had a Meyer lemon in a pot for years. Once it gets big and it shouldn’t take long it will dry out in about a day outside in the summer. As such I would not use the citrus cactus soil other than mixing in a little. I wouldn’t put gravel on the bottom and I’d mulch the top which is what I did. Normally all this would be a no no for citrus but being that it’s a large plant in a pot it dries out super fast so you don’t have to worry about drainage your concern is actually getting too dry. But on the good side it would get bone dry for several days and not bother the plant. But it needs the leaves hosed down or rain to avoid pests and stay healthy. I had lemons in Ohio on mine. I would let it get bone dry when I needed to move it and it would weigh like 1/8 of what it weighs wet. Wet it’s too heavy to move. I just had it outside when temps were above freezing then moved it indoors during winter. If it’s 35 or 40 degrees doesn’t bother it though. Inside in the winter it doesn’t need much water you risk it getting soggy. Outside in hot weather I had to hose it down every day almost. It was about six feet tall maximum but stays smaller in smaller pots but didn’t get lemons. But I had a rooted cutting which is best. It was more of a bush than a tree very wide. Had thorns and was huge so difficult to move. Indoors I used a grow light but it did better outside I tried to keep it outside as much as possible. It blooms year round but mostly in spring. It gets lots of baby lemons but most fall off you don’t have to pick them but even with them falling off it helps to pick some here and there and just keep a few lemons for it to put energy into. Flowers smell amazing on it.

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