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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: savemejebus on November 07, 2021, 05:21:07 PM
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Only took 8 years or so (last year we found 1 on the tree by chance), but finally getting a decent amount of abius (seedling from Noel many years ago). This year I spotted 1, which turned into 2, which turned into a couple dozen. Difficult to spot the little buggers. Pretty good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/svfV0jTt/20211016-102002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svfV0jTt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YDRZs14/20211030-204331.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YDRZs14)
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How is it??
Mine has been growing well and flowered heavily this year but no fruit set. I've never tasted the fruit.
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Only took 8 years or so (last year we found 1 on the tree by chance), but finally getting a decent amount of abius (seedling from Noel many years ago). This year I spotted 1, which turned into 2, which turned into a couple dozen. Difficult to spot the little buggers. Pretty good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/svfV0jTt/20211016-102002.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svfV0jTt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YDRZs14/20211030-204331.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YDRZs14)
Is that planted in ground? I was going to get 1 but supposed to not like the cold below 50°?
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Mine was born in 2002 and since 2007 it blooms intensely every year but does not bear fruit. full sun and 15 feet tall. (seed from Oscar fruitlovers)
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I got my first fruit this year too.
Sort of a let down IMHO.
I'll keep it though and see if it improves.
Its crawling with scale right now.
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It is common for seedling abiu to be bland and watery tasting, which is why some nurseries only sell grafted plants. The Z varieties I’ve tried are very tasty with hints of vanilla and caramel
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Congrats on your fruit 👍 It seems there is a good variation is seedling fruit, I still have yet to try one but from pics there is differences in shapes and flesh color and per reports taste/flavor. Two ways I look at it graft the good ones and throw dice on seeds to try and get a unique new one. I have four seedlings in ground 2 from PR and 2 from Hawaii and going the dice throwing route lol. Syeed do you know where your seeds originated?
-Joe
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PR I believe.
It's a round type.
I had one by a friend's house in Davie from a different source and more or less tastes the same.
I'm sure there are better ones so far I prefer Starapple (Season and Tree)
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My one time tasting Abiu from a Florida tree was similar, I agree star apple is better
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It's a shame to hear that seedling abiu's are not reliably good tasting. I might get a grafted one if I ever see one for sale. Like many other things, I am mostly growing it simply to see if it will grow and fruit in a greenhouse here.
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Im hoping the seedling Z4 taste alright, i have 4 of these planted out and one E4, I even planted two Z4 seedling in the same hole to see what happens. One of my Z4 is loaded with flowers and has been in the ground less than 12 months.
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Sry guys forgot about this thread. It's ostensibly "good" - my wife really likes it. I'm not really sold on it. I agree on the vanilla/caramel taste. I'm just not a gelatin/melon type of guy, so I'm happy with just a few bites (whereas I can eat 4 mangoes in a row).
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Sry guys forgot about this thread. It's ostensibly "good" - my wife really likes it. I'm not really sold on it. I agree on the vanilla/caramel taste. I'm just not a gelatin/melon type of guy, so I'm happy with just a few bites (whereas I can eat 4 mangoes in a row).
ah, that's a shame, I don't like gelatin/melon types either. Oh well, I'm not going to ditch mine until I at least get to try it.
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Congrats on the fruit! I was able to get some fruit from PR last year. It truly is a great fruit, but it wouldn't be on my top 5 (I think that caimitos taste better). Nonetheless, I am growing it in my greenhouse. I have tried to graft onto it, but have failed. If any of you out in FL would be willing to spare some scions next spring, please let me know. It is a shame that there are very few varieties of named abiu in the US, and even then, they are still hard to find.
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We have two mature abiu trees and our trees produce a lot of fruit. I rate the fruit quite highly. Very refreshing with caramel flavor. We were picking a box of fruit each day for a while with our last crop. Not sure of the variety though unfortunately.
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It is common for seedling abiu to be bland and watery tasting, which is why some nurseries only sell grafted plants. The Z varieties I’ve tried are very tasty with hints of vanilla and caramel
Had Abiu form many seedling tree's (like 5 different farms) and none have been bland and watery tasting. Abiu just have to be picked at the right time, some pick them before they are mature and thus low flavour.
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you are also in Australia where they developed superior varieties so that doesn’t surprise me. Have you tried eating them in South America or Hawaii? If you have then you might know there is a wide range of flavor In this fruit and they can be quite bland.
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you are also in Australia where they developed superior varieties so that doesn’t surprise me. Have you tried eating them in South America or Hawaii? If you have then you might know there is a wide range of flavor In this fruit and they can be quite bland.
Very good point.
Been trying to get the seedlings of the Aus varieties for that same reason.
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Could maybe be so up here.
There is a youtube video of this man in Hawaii who says he's seedling Abius are great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOMcuJVRel4
There's also good abius from 25 year old tree's further down south, idk if that was sown before someone started spreading "superior" verieties.
Idk where those "superior" ones would come from, maybe from the since long gone research station in Cairns.
I still remain quite certain early picking and strip picking practices is the issue of bland Abiu.
But taste is very subjective so I don't want to attack anyones experince, what I find sweet might be bland to others etc :)
A brix test would be of use since it's objective. Testing the brix of a Superior and then a random pick of seedlings.
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I am hunting these trees but they seem to be rare in the trade in the US. It seems like they pop up then go away. It's not something that is constantly available like guavas or "you name it". It seems like grumichama is getting "rare". I used to see them at nurseries all the time. Anyway. Whoever knows who's selling them ( I mean a reputable grower or nursery) let me know.
BTW
What's the possibility of importing from Australia? How would I go about doing that? I mean like ordering 200.
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Could maybe be so up here.
There is a youtube video of this man in Hawaii who says he's seedling Abius are great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOMcuJVRel4
There's also good abius from 25 year old tree's further down south, idk if that was sown before someone started spreading "superior" verieties.
Idk where those "superior" ones would come from, maybe from the since long gone research station in Cairns.
I still remain quite certain early picking and strip picking practices is the issue of bland Abiu.
But taste is very subjective so I don't want to attack anyones experince, what I find sweet might be bland to others etc :)
A brix test would be of use since it's objective. Testing the brix of a Superior and then a random pick of seedlings.
The only ones I've tasted here in southern Florida were from personal collections.
I'm no expert in when to pick them I just wait until most of the green is gone, if there is more to it I'm willing to learn.
I planted a tree after having a fruit around 10 years ago which I really enjoyed. It might be nostalgia.
I got fruit from my tree for the first time last year and those were a let down. I'm hoping that as the tree gets going to flavor improved.
I'll report back with some hopefully good news in the coming years.
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The varieties were developed in Queensland. https://industry.nt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/233755/446.pdf
Also here is a reference about abiu variability when grown from seed
https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/F_N-24.pdf
Sorry if I burst your bubble , but sometimes seedling grown fruit produce ‘junk’ trees
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This is a little old thread but would like some help. I planted an abiu I bought on here from HI. Seedling tree not grafted. It has flowered in my friends yard last 2 years but never set fruit. Also alot of the flowers seem to drop off any suggestions?
This year he told me a bit late but been giving it some added calcium, mag and Phos and kelp.
It looks very nice and green just the flowers are dropping off. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
DOes it need more time to age?
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This is a little old thread but would like some help. I planted an abiu I bought on here from HI. Seedling tree not grafted. It has flowered in my friends yard last 2 years but never set fruit. Also alot of the flowers seem to drop off any suggestions?
This year he told me a bit late but been giving it some added calcium, mag and Phos and kelp.
It looks very nice and green just the flowers are dropping off. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
DOes it need more time to age?
You need cross pollination.
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It is common for seedling abiu to be bland and watery tasting, which is why some nurseries only sell grafted plants. The Z varieties I’ve tried are very tasty with hints of vanilla and caramel
Well, the first sentence is disappointing as I've only seen samplings for sale perodically in California, though I would like a vanilla-caramel taste. :) I've read the Lucuma also has a caramel-sweet potato taste without the jelly and is drier so that might be better if you like the taste of caramel-flan but don't like the jelly texture? (I have yet to try either though.)
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For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of abiu. I find it very refreshing, the fruit has a large amount of flesh with a sweet caramel flavor. I am in north Queensland so likely have got lucky with good genetics. My trees flower and set fruit quite regularly, maybe around 4-5 times in the last year.
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This is a little old thread but would like some help. I planted an abiu I bought on here from HI. Seedling tree not grafted. It has flowered in my friends yard last 2 years but never set fruit. Also alot of the flowers seem to drop off any suggestions?
This year he told me a bit late but been giving it some added calcium, mag and Phos and kelp.
It looks very nice and green just the flowers are dropping off. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
DOes it need more time to age?
You need cross pollination.
OH no not good, so I need to have another tree or 2 around? Or is a matter of not enough Bees. Sounds like I may have to another tree or too aye in some large pots cause I doubt they have space in the yard for too more abiu trees.
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I only have one tree that
set a good amount of fruit this year. I'm sure cross pollination will help though. Might be variety dependent.
I highly doubt there is another one anyone nearby. There's only a few mangos around my neighborhood
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My friend has a nice mango next to his tree so I was hoping that aid in the pollination.
However ideally once I have other pollinators around that should assist.
Or do I need another abiu tree or 2?
Do ost of you growing abius have multiple trees?
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I have four. Two seedlings from Everglades and two from Mike. I have never tasted one. It's one of those trees that I have been trying and failing with for years. Hopefully this round I will succeed. I really would like to get a named cultivar. I'm surprised they are not available in the US. Who's ready for a group buy from Australia?!?!?!?!?! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have a seedling abiu that has started flowering last year and is again this year. It has produced hundreds of flowers but so far none have progressed to any fruit stage. It may simply be too soon, not sure what is normal. Where I am there are no other abius around to cross-pollinate.
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I have a seedling abiu that has started flowering last year and is again this year. It has produced hundreds of flowers but so far none have progressed to any fruit stage. It may simply be too soon, not sure what is normal. Where I am there are no other abius around to cross-pollinate.
How old is it? Mine are about a year old so I am curious as to when I can expect to get something.
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Brian,
nice to see your tree close to producing up north. I had one in ground in the greenhouse, but I dug it up after tasting the fruit.
I personally don't like it. I could taste the caramel flan notes, but the after taste is just plain weird. I'd put the fruit below my top 10 or 15. The fruit I tasted was from a seedling selection from PR.
Once my e-4 seedlings get to scion size, I'll try to graft a few.
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I ordered mine as a tiny seedling in June 2019. It was flowering last year at ~2yrs old, it is now ~3yrs old and is 6ft tall and looks like it could easily hold fruit. It has been healthy and trouble free, I guess they just like to be warm... and protected from wind.
If the taste & texture are dissapointing I will also consider grafting a named type on.
I just recently moved it out of the greenhouse, it is a bit crowded right now so hard to get a good picture.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sMSBt0p9/abiu.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMSBt0p9)
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that is a ver nice little tree brian looking good for up north :)
Where did you get it from?
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that is a ver nice little tree brian looking good for up north :)
Where did you get it from?
Thanks! Etsy seller out of Jupiter,PL. I got most of my small seedlings this way.
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Second crop on the tree this year.
The biggest ones are 12 oz.
I may start selling these if I end up with more next year.
If anyone in the area wants to try them feel free to reach out
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr/IMG-20220908-174128850.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/30CY003h/IMG-20220908-184334427.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30CY003h)
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Second crop on the tree this year.
The biggest ones are 12 oz.
I may start selling these if I end up with more next year.
If anyone in the area wants to try them feel free to reach out
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr/IMG-20220908-174128850.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/30CY003h/IMG-20220908-184334427.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30CY003h)
I gotta say that the fruits off your tree are of superior quality. The ones I had before were not that good.
This one is nice!
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Second crop on the tree this year.
The biggest ones are 12 oz.
I may start selling these if I end up with more next year.
If anyone in the area wants to try them feel free to reach out
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr/IMG-20220908-174128850.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3h6GZLr)
(https://i.postimg.cc/30CY003h/IMG-20220908-184334427.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30CY003h)
I gotta say that the fruits off your tree are of superior quality. The ones I had before were not that good.
This one is nice!
Glad to hear you enjoyed them.
They came from PR, my friend had this tree growing for a while and when it was too big for the pot I planted it out.
It's my understanding that a lot of the good AU types made their way to PR. So it may be that this one could share some of the genetics
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When is abiu season in Australia? Is it something widely or easily available? I would really like to import some plant material to do some grafting or import the actual trees.
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It is common for seedling abiu to be bland and watery tasting, which is why some nurseries only sell grafted plants. The Z varieties I’ve tried are very tasty with hints of vanilla and caramel
Is there anywhere to buy a grafted one online?
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The selection of abiu in the US is tiny compared to Australia. The nurseries here selling grafted abiu don't even have a cultivar name on them. I think seedlings of some are generally true to type. I have one e-4 I'm gonna grow out and then graft later.
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You guys are crazy abiu is TOP notch fruit I rate it right up there with some of the heavy weights. They do not need cross pollination to produce but yes they can flower heavily and have the flowers fall off a few times, I have one Z4 seedling (NOT GRAFTED) that produced its first fruits at 14 months in the ground and the fruit was incredible as good as any I have tasted and that includes the grafted stuff I tasted at Australians premier tropical fruit farm. I have all seedlings mostly Z4 seedlings and E4 seedling that is still too little to produce but I rate these trees as some of my most prized. The Z4 seedling also bears prolifically almost at the level of myer lemon, mine is currently loaded with baby fruits, seems they basically fruit all year with short periods in between mature fruits and flowering again. Heavy rain doesnt seem to have any impact on flowering they produce no matter what the weather is doing.
Maybe over there in Florida your soils are not suitable to produce the best tastes? We are on fairly Acid clay here high nutrient content and they are very happy trees.
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My experience is similar to Gone tropo's. It's pretty common to have mature fruits, small fruits and flowers on the tree at the same time. If it is dry, they will drop fruit. I have found that chucking a hose under the tree for 5-10 min 1-2 times per week does the trick. In the case of heavy rain, you will lose some fruit due to splitting. Flying foxes love them, bagging does help. Lastly, the fruit is very sensitive. If dropped, the fruit will develop a terrible taste after a couple of hours so I recommend eating straight away. If handled well, the fruit is good to sit on a bench top for a few days without any issues. I don't recommend storing in the fridge as they will go brown.
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You guys are crazy abiu is TOP notch fruit I rate it right up there with some of the heavy weights. They do not need cross pollination to produce but yes they can flower heavily and have the flowers fall off a few times, I have one Z4 seedling (NOT GRAFTED) that produced its first fruits at 14 months in the ground and the fruit was incredible as good as any I have tasted and that includes the grafted stuff I tasted at Australians premier tropical fruit farm. I have all seedlings mostly Z4 seedlings and E4 seedling that is still too little to produce but I rate these trees as some of my most prized. The Z4 seedling also bears prolifically almost at the level of myer lemon, mine is currently loaded with baby fruits, seems they basically fruit all year with short periods in between mature fruits and flowering again. Heavy rain doesnt seem to have any impact on flowering they produce no matter what the weather is doing.
Maybe over there in Florida your soils are not suitable to produce the best tastes? We are on fairly Acid clay here high nutrient content and they are very happy trees.
We are on the opposite extreme with soil. Low nutrient, sand with a lot of limestone and high ph.
I have mine on a fertigation system and I apply sulfur.
So far it seems to be working
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My seedling abiu has thousands of flower buds again. Maybe this year it will actually set some fruits
(https://i.imgur.com/dIgKrT4.jpeg)
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My seedling abiu has thousands of flower buds again. Maybe this year it will actually set some fruits
(https://i.imgur.com/dIgKrT4.jpeg)
Keep us posted. I'm curious about this because there was one volunteer abiu seedling sprout in a corner of my orchard that flowered a lot for a few years but never set fruit.
Since there are a couple good grafted varieties in the orchard I eventually cut this one down. Grafted trees can produce at an early age, when still fairly small.
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Yup.... I am thinking I will look for some grafted scion and try grafting that on. I don't want to wait years and years more and get nothing