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My Capulin’s were getting mite’s really bad is another reason I stumped.

Yes, P. caerulea grows like a weed in SC. As easy or easier than Mollissima. I’ve tried grafting on before but failed.

Annona Montana handles a little better than Soursop but still died for me with overhead winter protection.

Will hit you up if And when I make it down for a visit. Thanks.

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Not to be a downer but that is a normal size Capulin tree and fruit. They really grow like weeds for me and the untended feral tree’s I know of. I have cut a few to the ground and been trying to kill them without success for a couple years.
Finding one that doesn’t suck is awesome!  Flavor is subjective , you peaked my interest by saying it doesn’t have the funk flavor. I’m sure there’s good one’s out there. Good job finding a good one and getting it grafted off.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First soursop fruit, when to pick?
« on: July 14, 2024, 04:44:22 PM »
It’s getting really close with how far away from each other the little spikes are. It. Could drop anytime . Check it every day.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A new top mamey emerges
« on: July 13, 2024, 03:53:29 PM »
Mamey is commonly used as rootstock for green sapote in FL.

Suggesting White Sapote is compatible in this mix is unbelievable.
The sapote’s are not that closely related.
Same as pine -apple, sugar - apple, rose-apple, star-apple are not graft compatible.
Zapote means soft sweet fruit is my understanding. Black, green, white, yellow are all anglicized. They have appropriate common names in their native habitat.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wampi Seeds for sale
« on: July 12, 2024, 07:55:34 PM »
10 Wampi seeds for sale $30 plus shipping.
No California sales.
Sour and delicious.



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Fresh harvested Alupag seed packs. Fruits picked 7/12/24.
10 seeds for $30 plus shipping.
Flavor is really good.
About the same size as Longan fruits with less flesh and not as firm.
Shipped in coco coir.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona dioca
« on: July 12, 2024, 02:11:21 PM »
I got scions from Florida 10+ years ago, grafted it on Cherimoya which worked fine. It grew to 25 gallon pot size rather quickly before I gave it to a friend in San Diego.
It overwintered fine but did not flower in my recollection.
I think there must be a tree at Fruit and Spice or in some accessible collection that probably just isn’t hand pollinated or doesn’t fruit . Fruits are reportedly good but haven’t heard of it fruiting in US.
What is your rootstock ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Reed avocado thread
« on: July 12, 2024, 01:36:48 AM »
Top working large seedlings is the way to go.
I cut down a 20+ ft very upright and non fruiting seedling to 4 ft and grafted Reed. The very next year I had a huge crop of Reeds and every year since.

I really wish people would be okay with cutting down their large and non fruiting Avocados or any fruit tree and understand that you can turn it into a hugely productive tree of whatever your favorite variety is. They grow back really quickly, it will be okay.

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California is probably the most ecologically diverse state with a wide range of different climates of Forest, chaparral, desert, mountains etc.
The abundance was real and still is.
I can’t imagine how you could reach the conclusion that it was mostly or all scrubland.
It’s wild how much different habitat there is.
I have driven cross country multiple times on the 10, 40 and 80.

I used to commute to LA weekly from the Bay Area and Harris Cattle Rach is the nastiest thing I have seen or smelled. It made me stop eating regular store beef and avoid driving the 5 .
See’ing cattle in Hawaii graze on year round idyllic grass pasture has me seeking local beef again.
It appears to be sustainable with the hundreds of years of history of Paniolo culture.
The major downside is the grazing has destroyed native plant populations that were once abundant . Alot of the remaining native tree’s in the cattle areas are found just outside the fence line next to the road where cattle could not trample or eat them.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anomaly Jaboticaba
« on: July 11, 2024, 04:16:10 AM »
Good idea Lance.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona spinescens seedling
« on: July 11, 2024, 04:14:27 AM »
I have mine planted in chunky cinder that dries out especially fast and survives summer drought without irrigation going on 3 years now.
Frequent wind also makes it dry out faster. Most rainforest species I have planted at this location die.



From my experience, Annona spinescens germinate relatively fast. Usually less than 2 months. Spinescens is definitely NOT drought tolerant. It comes from the Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest. It has a sweet pumpkin-like filling with lots and lots of seeds. It does have some cold tolerance as they have survived the winters in Socal 9b easily at my house and I know of a bigger one in East LA 9b. Annona Salzmannii not so much in cold tolerance and I've killed a few. THere is a fruiting one in Fort Meyer, so it is possible.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona spinescens seedling
« on: July 10, 2024, 04:18:19 PM »
I wonder when the first batch of seeds came in and if they hand pollinate.
Collecting pollen at night and hand pollinating the next morning seems to be the main issue with getting alot flowering Annona's to fruit.
Soncoya for sure. I've had A. Globiflora flowering for 10 years and could never figure out how to hand pollinate those little flowers, same with a friends grafted on soursop in Hawaii.

My Spinescens from Joe is trucking along in Hawaii and maybe flower next year.
Also have a Salzmanii , but they are native to Forested Sand Dune's Restinga environment , so I think it would rip in West Palm Beach Sugar sand Mango Land or another Sandy So. FL climate. It doesn't love chunky cinder.

How many members have had success with seedlings of some of these wild type annonas I wonder? Have any of these even fruited in Hawaii's zone 12? Grafted on A. Montana or cherimoya stock recommended?


Folks are fruiting spinescens in FL.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anomaly Jaboticaba
« on: July 10, 2024, 04:10:33 PM »
Exactly, Its been the opposite since the first Anomoly was auctioned in 2019/2020, everyone is complaining or stating that it does not fruit consistently or load up the same. I have not heard a single person say they have a grafted Anomoly that performs anywhere near the same as the mother tree. It's been fully debunked.
Obviously the mother tree is an amazing specimen that everyone has been freaking out about because the pictures are amazing and show this gnarled little Jabo with an obscene amount of flowers and fruit continuously, which I totally believe. Especially after see'ing this little runt Aureana seedling do the same thing for me. I never threw down for an Anomoly. I bet Adam made at least 20 K selling those on ebay.


The Anomoly is that the grafted tree’s do not perform like the amazing mother tree.
Proven time and time again and as you stated yours doesn’t fruit, even though the mother tree fruits continuously.
I have an Aureana that is an anomoly and continuously fruits as a little bitty tree. It seems like winning the seed lottery is possible but for some reason the grafts dont perform the same. Which is weird and unexpected.

that's interesting. i wondering what that's all about you would think it would not impede it at all.   ok. i don't feel alone.  come to think of it, i don't hear anyone coming out and saying their anomaly is just dumping out flowers/fruit like the mother tree.  and considering how many auctions adam had for anomalies you know they're out there.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anomaly Jaboticaba
« on: July 10, 2024, 03:19:54 AM »
Anomoly is a Red Hybrid

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya leaves curling and yellowing
« on: July 09, 2024, 07:01:46 PM »
Looks like soil/fert issue.
Temps shouldn’t be an issue.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona spinescens seedling
« on: July 09, 2024, 07:00:09 PM »
Did the rootstock live? Why don’t you think it’s long term incompatibility?
I had a grafted one on a montana...but it randomly died for no reason lol

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anomaly Jaboticaba
« on: July 09, 2024, 06:58:21 PM »
The Anomoly is that the grafted tree’s do not perform like the amazing mother tree.
Proven time and time again and as you stated yours doesn’t fruit, even though the mother tree fruits continuously.
I have an Aureana that is an anomoly and continuously fruits as a little bitty tree. It seems like winning the seed lottery is possible but for some reason the grafts dont perform the same. Which is weird and unexpected.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what are some fast bearing rarities?
« on: July 09, 2024, 06:35:52 PM »
I agree all Myrtacea are your best bet. Psidium , Eugenia, Plinia can all be fruited in a pot and overwintered in a heated “mini greenhouse” .

Longan and Rollinia, no way.
It takes Cherimoya 2 years to get to graftable size and then at least 2 years of growth ok the scion to fruit , more like 4-5 in my experience.

Guava’s are pretty easy but they ripen in winter early spring , so how you gonna get them heat to ripen and keep them from brown spot rotting out. I removed all mine from in ground and greenhouse.
Maybe a smaller kind like Striatulum that fruits at a smaller size and make smaller fruits.

Solanum’s need carpenter bee’s or high frequency diddling to pollinate. Never got Lulo to fruit after many rounds of trying greenhouse and outdoors 800 miles south of you. Poha’s always got mited or bugged out in the ghouse, grow like a weed outdoors , not a bad or costly on to try.

Figs in a greenhouse? Maybe not sure I have heard of anyone succeeding with that, could definitely keep them small enough.
Mullberry have a huge root system that by the time they are ready to fruit in a 15 gallon they’ll have more roots than soil in the pot and be hard to get enough water on and I rarely got enough heat to ripen them properly close in the fog zone. Reed is about 10 degree’s warmer and is successful with mulberries and figs where I can’t fruit them at all.
 
Passiflora , how does that get to fruiting size without blocking light to everything else in the mini greenhouse. Passiflora Mollisima “banana” is inedible in my opinion . Frederick if anything.

Sacha inchi, has anyone fruited that in Cali, much less 800 miles north?

Why are you asking about Surinam cuttings when you have nothing to graft them onto? 

Ribes is a good suggestion.
Carica most people don’t like Babaco & mountain papaya but they look cool.

Why not just order all the weird stuff from Raintree or one green world, nurseries located in your area that cater more to your growing conditions.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what are some fast bearing rarities?
« on: July 09, 2024, 04:20:19 AM »
In All of the replies to your posts, it sure seem's like people are overlooking your location , and making suggestions based on their experience in Waaaaaaay different climates. The suggestions just sound crazy to me like no one knows where Seattle is or what the climate is like. Post a picture of your hot house so people know what your working with.


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I was hoping to try that Costco Musang King but it's never in stock when I make thew run. The YOD are for sale at Sweet Cane and some other brick and mortar so no need to pay shipping and you get way more to eat than a hit or miss Durian from Pam.
Whenever I see them at Asian groceries in San Francisco they are freezer burned, expensive and feel like a crap shoot. only 10% of that per pound price is edible, I like see'ing the pods and knowing they were processed properly and frozen at a very low temperature immediately .
I think first timers having a much more likely good experience with YOD is better than crapshoot with other random frozen D. either way it's going to cost a fair amount. The Costco Musang King is the nicest price , but I only ever heard about it being available in Kone, no insaneland options. All YOD used to be in the $20 range too but D prices going through the roof with the thirst for the D.

Best, strongest tasting frozen durian I’ve had was frozen , whole. I think these have potential to be even better than any packaged durian since they are never exposed to air. Not knocking Lindsay’s durian , I’ve tried a couple boxes.they are good, but I think you can find just as good at an Asian grocery if you look around , even the Costco here in Kona had frozen musang king packs for $20 last year and there was one I had that rivaled the msw Lindsay sells and no need pay for shipping. Also for first timers, better not to spend that kinda $$

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Recs for Maui Trip???
« on: July 03, 2024, 04:45:36 PM »
wow Steph. Thanks for posting the link to the short film about Michael. What an amazing guy. 

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If you want to try the best frozen Durian on the market support fellow forum member Lindsay at Yearofthedurian.com
she sources and sells the highest quality and best varieties unavailable elsewhere. It's a real no brainer.
I agree about Limbang red, just insane texture and flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya Grafting ideas
« on: July 02, 2024, 03:19:10 PM »
Whats the temperature today where you are?

It’s not late to graft anything today.
You got bad info.

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You’ll be lucky to keep the Rollinia alive for long. Better off spending that $$ on something else you want that you can keep alive and maybe fruit in a pot, such as your Babaco post.

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Chempadek and Pulasan. Both highly edible with addictive qualities.

I see some fruits listed I consider barely edible and have removed.
Taste buds differ quite a bit.

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