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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:10:47 PM »
It's interesting for me too. It seems wood still is transporting  the water.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:05:41 PM »
I'm happy to see this topic, as I recently ordered a box of Inga (presumably feuillei or a hybrid?) pods from this post, both because I wanted to try them for the first time and also to try starting the seeds for my greenhouse.

I'm mostly interested in learning about their tolerance for frequent cold (non-freezing) temperatures in winter, as my greenhouse is only heated to prevent freezing, and is usually in the 30s and low 40s for most of the winter. Some things like dragonfruit just cannot handle it, while avocados and some south american species like Physalis peruviana flourish and even keep growing vigorously all winter.

Also, whether anyone has tried using bonsai techniques (wide/shallow pot and root pruning) to reduce the vigor a bit. If I end up liking it enough to grow, that would be my long-term plan to help keep it under about 9 feet tall.

I've ordered some inga feuilleei and inga#1 seeds from shilohtech in September 2022, now they are about 3 feet tall and do well in my unheated greenhouse this winter.  No frost inside but constantly cold, mostly 35-40°F during January-February nights. There's information that mature tree can withstand some frost with little die back - https://gardenoracle.com/images/inga-feuilleei.html. And  "Tropical Central Valley" has video with growing inga in 25-115°F range

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I would add Thomson's edible banana ( haven't tried yet, but supposedly hardy to 7b ), Chilean wine palm and hardy jelly palm to list

I grew some (alleged?) M. thomsonii seeds and they melted at the first hard frost, then never even re-grew from the corms. Helen's hybrid at least does that every year for me, but it will never produce fruit because the above-ground portion is killed by even a mild freeze, so you never make it to that second or maybe even third season for it to flower and ripen. I'm not convinced there's any edible banana (including seeded ones with edible flesh) that will take sub-20s without at least losing the current pseudostems and having to grow a new shoot from the corm in spring.

My Chilean wine palm was killed by 16°F, so I'm not sure it'll do well anywhere below 8b. But it was not very large, it's possible it would do better if it can get bigger first. Keep in mind that they typically don't start fruiting for many, many decades, though, so better to think of it as an ornamental palm even if you can keep it alive.

I take your word for it... Despite of having constantly cold winter ( daily mean is about 40°F ) we rarely see temperatures much below freezing, last time we saw as lower as 22°F was 10 years before, this winter we had 3 nights with 30°F in January, my in-ground Viente Kohol banana's pseudostem is still green and alive ( I hope we won't see much freezing in February). I knew  about late maturity of Chilean wine palm but couldn't resist to start growing it ( they are very impressive-)))

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I would add Thomson's edible banana ( haven't tried yet, but supposedly hardy to 7b ), Chilean wine palm and hardy jelly palm to list

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat on Provence Quince?
« on: January 15, 2024, 08:22:07 PM »
Below some temperatures the evergreens stop growing and become almost dormant, comparing with the loquats grafted on loquats I see no difference, at least in my zone 8b-9a, they even start to bloom here at the same time, in November-December, I suppose maybe improved cold hardiness in marginal for them climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat on Provence Quince?
« on: January 15, 2024, 01:06:19 PM »
I've made several grafts of loquat onto quince ( noname varieties, seedlings, but as I know in this point there's no difference between provence and any other quince variety). For me it's  easier than grafting loquat on loquat. And graft grows faster also. I attach 2 photos - on first there's bark graft ( 3 quince graft and one loquat, flower the same year) and on second there were 3 bark grafting on 3 branches but 2 became too heavy, I was too late to strengthen the support and they  broke down-( But have to say also that fruits from first last year were no so sweet ( Sunset variety, bought from Adam, Akmegardens, it's described as best tasting variety), not sure, this is rootstock influence, climate, soil or because first year bearing.
The graft and rootstock fuse fine. Nevertheless, I don't know about lifespan of the graft.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: question on pitangatuba. Evgenia selloi
« on: January 06, 2024, 07:15:17 PM »
 Попробуйте улучшить освещение ( поставьте на южное окно или добавьте исскуственное), может поможет.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Happy New Year!
« on: December 31, 2023, 02:21:34 PM »
Happy New Year, guys. I would like to congratulate everyone, wish a happy new year, thank the forum and all its participants for interesting discussions, the knowledge that I acquired here, and also thank everyone who shared seeds, cuttings and experience with me. :D



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I would also suggest to remove only vertically orientated rootstock growth and put another shoot more horizontally, cherimoyas are supposed to be quite good from seed, you have a chance to have 2 variety on one tree-) Anyway, you can always remove this branch later or graft something on it

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All deciduous will survive 22 easily of course, pecan, cherry, fig, mulberry etc. Not sure about taste and production, we have very hot and dry summer, sandy soil, figs and mulberries like it, the flavor is really concentrated, but cherries, cornelian cherries, persimmons struggle, it seems they would prefer more mild summer and more fertile soil. I think it's always useful to ask the neighbors about what's growing well in your specific conditions, but to grow something new is always experimenting though.

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According literature black sapote is not cold tolerant, "young trees are damaged or killed at or below 30°F (-1°C) and mature trees at or below 28°F (-2°C)", BUT if you have winters like mine, mean January and February 40-45°F, lowest some years just a 2-3 days 30°F, but once in 5-7 years drop for a couple of days to 22-23°F, it goes dormant and don't suffer from cold. I noticed this in BS their first winter in greenhouse, knew from literature that they are not hardy, but they are very vigorous, my greenhouse is only 350 feet square meters, so I took a risk and put 3 of 5 in ground in spring, they were happy and last year I moved others outside. This February we had severe frezee down to 22°F ,  my 3 years seedlings behaved like deciduous, lost all the leaves and became dormant like cherries, apples, no damage at all, even for small branches, while my avocados and some citrus were killed to the ground. I can even add, they all flowered this spring, but unfortunately, didn't fruited ( I read first year it's normal). I think this numbers are right for, say, Florida, where they stay evergreen and I suggest, the cold hardy apples, plums would be damaged if cold is applied during summer.
I agree with drymyfolia about loquat ( damage temperature for flower), mine had good crop this year after exposing to 22°F. Would advise you to think about grafting it to quince to improve cold, heat and drought resistance.
I also recently started with most of plants mentioned here,  so still evaluating their hardiness. Have to put my grafted cherimoyas next spring in ground, they are too big now.
Date palm doing fine here, my oldest 5 years seedling ( 3 years outside) flowered this year ( unfortunately male-)), just take it inside first 2 years or cover if outside. I just started with coquito this year but it supposedly  hardy enough for my zone.
 Some photos, if someone is interested:







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I'd add loquats, black sapote, mandarins, shangjuan lemon and cumquat to this list. Also, you can build small unheated greenhouse like nursery, grow a little less hardy species like blood oranges, lemons, lemon guava for a first couple of years and then put them outside later

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Longan Scions for Sale
« on: September 12, 2023, 04:02:30 AM »
Received the scions after15 days journey.  Perfectly prepared and look very fresh. Thanks you Max

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PM sent

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango scions/budwood
« on: August 21, 2023, 07:12:50 AM »
I order mango and avocado scions almost always from TAF and they also come in not very best condition, but I'm talking about 2-3 weeks shipping ( from Florida to Delaware and then to my country). Wrapping  in wet paper doesn't work well for long shipping in mangoes. Last year there was delay in shipping from USA to here, I received the scions 3 weeks after sending and only 3 out of 11 grafts took ( 2 of 2 avocados and 1 out of 9 mango, it seems avocados resist long shipping better). This year scions came in 12 days and looked much better. I grafted them week before, can post later update, if someone is interested. But I am surprised that the budwoods could deteriorate in just a couple of days of transportation within the USA

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Received the scions yesterday and already grafted. Thanks a lot for the extras!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB lychee scions
« on: June 15, 2023, 09:22:16 AM »
Hi,
I'm looking for just a couple of scions of these lychee varieties:
Erdon Lee
Seedless lychee
No Mai Tze
Sweetheart
Hak Ip

Delivery would be to New Castle, Delaware and payment via PayPal

Thanks,
Rauf

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Today, after 10 days journey, within USA and then overseas to my country,  my guava and avocado scions eventually arrived to me, very fresh, well packed and as always, a lot, lot extras. Thank you very much, Kevin

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 14, 2023, 04:29:13 AM »
My Fantastic avocado, growing outdoors and grafted on seedling from store bought Hass avocado fruit, looks the same and has the same tight nodes. I have another Fantastic in my greenhouse with a more internode distance, but still tight


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I received my scions from Mark on Saturday after 2 weeks journey ( from Mark to Delaware and then to my country) and grafted part of them immediately. Mark took into account the distance and wrapped the scions in parafilm and then in vinyl grafting tape above. Scions looked great, fresh and healthy. He also added some extra scions too. Thanks a lot Mark. Hope, all the grafts will take.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: seed sale
« on: January 15, 2023, 04:04:37 PM »
Hi, very nice collection,I want to order some seeds, but later, it’s very cold in winter here, will the seeds still be available, say, in March?

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In August I've ordered the seeds from Shiloh. Some seeds came rotted and  died. I've made a new order and Shiloh found and included them also, despite they were out of stock at this moment, moreover he didn't ask money for them. Seeds were well prepared for international shipping and came in perfect condition and already sprouted after 3 weeks trip. Thanks a lot, Shiloh

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In July I've ordered guava and avocado scions from Kevin. There was delaying in shipping, scions came 23 days after sending and guavas were completely died. I asked to resend them and Kevin did it. Scions were well prepared for international shipping and came in perfect condition. Most of grafts took. Thank you, Kevin

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