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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit tree ID (in Miami)
« on: April 05, 2024, 03:51:46 PM »
Ficus saussureana? It is called loquat leaf fig.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana cultivar availability . . . . ?
« on: September 24, 2023, 05:39:29 PM »
When I visited it in June, the old guy who runs it said that he was getting too old to ship it.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Seedless lychee tree for sale
« on: September 22, 2023, 01:02:19 AM »
I don't think it has a varietal name. It's just called honey flavored seedless lychee.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Seedless lychee tree for sale
« on: September 21, 2023, 08:13:22 PM »
If the orange tag is the same as the picture, then this should be a Taiwanese variety of seedless lychee.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Wampee (Clausena Lansium)
« on: September 18, 2023, 09:11:12 PM »
Not yet.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Wampee (Clausena Lansium)
« on: September 17, 2023, 02:18:24 AM »
I've bought a 15 gallon wampee from California Tropical Fruit Tree Nursery in Vista.

In that case, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8.

I'd be interested in all of the varieties.

I'd be interested in 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9.

I'd be interested in the KT3, KT9, KT2, KT6, KT23 and KT26.

It's seems the sweet sugar mango is just a local Colombian variety that's called mango de azucar. shows that sweet sugar mango and mango de azucar are the same except sweet sugar mangoes are grown and processed better.
More info on mango de azucar:


If it helps for future varieties, you can try to reconstruct the Chinese word for any romanized chinese name for a variety and look it up on baidu. Who would've known that biqi is also called water chestnut.

Isn't heitan black carbon? Hei should be black and tan should be charcoal/carbon.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: RAFFLE ANNOUNCEMENT
« on: May 04, 2023, 07:02:39 PM »
I'm in.

34 Math
34 Science
35 English
34 Reading

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: February 24, 2023, 12:28:26 AM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Making concrete pots
« on: February 12, 2023, 11:04:14 PM »
Maybe you can cure the concrete in water and let it sit there for a few months. You should look to the fish and aquarium hobbyists as some people use concrete.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: February 03, 2023, 06:08:16 PM »
I have one that is pushing out right now, but I don't have roots yet.

+1 to Natal Plum. Taste like a plum in the beginning and ends with sourness. The skin is most sour part.

I'll take the remaining.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 14, 2023, 03:52:31 AM »
If I'm stranded on a deserted island, I'm pretty sure whatever keeps me alive is most optimal. It's not like I can choose which trees are on the island. Also you just literally proved my argument through the island. We democratically chose to have a jackfruit tree, and didn't use donations (whatever you would donate on a deserted island).

I'm saying that donations allow for inefficiency in the system because it can lead to outcomes where the vast majority of people don't agree with or can't grow a certain fruit. Compare this to a regular voting system where we can accurately gauge what most people on the site would benefit from. The people don't have the right to use their donation to influence the website because their is no such donation mechanism. Donations here are only to keep the site running ad free. The mechanism we have here is discussion.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 12, 2023, 01:01:17 AM »
The Huntington doesn't need to determine the optimal size for the fruit tree section since it was already planned out. Our donations do not affect the planning of sections at Huntington park. They are not a business, but a non-profit so they don't need to determine the most optimal section sizing. I know huntington has a jackfruit tree, I saw it with fruit when the corpse flower was at the huntington in june.

I'm cool with X because you said that donations would be most socially beneficial. Taking your goal, I clearly explained how donations aren't the most socially beneficial path for the forum.

As someone said before, the citrus forum was made in response to the closing of a different forum. I'm guessing the citrus and temperate sections are for people who want to talk to other people from the site (useful as site members usually share geographic regions) on those subjects because there are different forums for those purposes. I don't very much care for a subtropical section since I think it will just dilute discussion.

Let's say that the original intent of the forum by the owner was to talk about tropical fruit specifically in Florida as I think this forum was created with the intent of Floridians to use. Floridians generally can't grow ultra tropicals (there are a few exceptions) . Plus if the owner truly intended for only discussion on durian, mangosteen, and other very tropical fruits, then we wouldn't have TFF as it is now.

You have to stop confounding market price signals with things that have nothing to do with markets. The reason why economies need prices is to give information to firms on whether to enter a market or not, and produce a good or not. This is basic microeconomics. Companies don't use price signals to determine love, they use it to determine profits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 11, 2023, 06:24:11 AM »
That's not what I am saying. Let's say 100 dollars is donated to the Huntington for cycads and the upkeep cost is 100, the Huntington will already have revenue from ticket sales to cover the cycads. Since the 100 dollars donate covers the upkeep, the Huntington can divert the original revenue funds meant for upkeep into different areas or for shortfall in revenue that can't cover all maintenance.

I don't care what the Huntington does, I care about TFF. Mangoes are more accessible to grow than Durian. I never said that durian should be blacked over in TFF, making all durian discussion illegal under forum laws.
Fact 1#: I never said you can't try to grow Durian, go ahead it's your time that you're wasting.
Fact 2#: Most people on the forum live in Florida or California, places that cannot grow Durian.

You go on about how we need to know about what people love and the only way we know love is because of what people donate. That through knowing love we would be better off with this information, and that the other ways like democracy produce inefficient systems through waste of time. I have shown that your premise is flawed because donations don't appeal to the majority who might maximize the benefit for the most people.

There's a reason why jaboticaba45 sold his durian seedlings, he can't grow it. As he stated, it's going to somebody in Puerto Rico, a place that can grow durian. Sure there are plenty of times where people benefit from the mistakes of others. But their are times when painfully obvious mistakes are painfully obvious and all that occurs is wasted time and resources.

Also, when did I ever bring up slavery? You are literally bringing up irrelevant topics for no apparent reasons. Wait, lemme guess the best argument against slavery is that people donated against it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 10, 2023, 11:14:20 PM »
You can designate donations, but does the Huntington take that in account to build more of the section? They could just use the donations to cover what was going to cost for maintenance and spare up some funds for different parts. (Like the Huntington is really going to ignore the maintenance of one section just because it gets less donations)

Who cares whether mangoes or durian gets the most donations? Again, if durian gets more donation, this doesn't really help anybody since most people can't grow durian. If you're really about trying to help the most people, then you would advocate for the fruits that most of the demographic benefits from. It'd more beneficial for somebody to create a sticky that points newbies in the direction of what they can grow in their area, and to tell them to actually eat the tropical fruit before they try to grow it (How can you know your preference if you've actually never tried the fruit?)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 09, 2023, 07:57:24 AM »
All of those bios about the highest donors shows that the donors don't control what their donations do. They donate because they love what the observatory is doing as a whole, not that they rank certain sections as better in order to show their love. The only thing remotely close is the orchid donation, even then the orchid is extremely rare. All you have shown is that donors love what the huntington conservatory does.

Also why must we play a game of cat and mouse to see who is most willing to donate to reveal love. We could just create a thread asking what fruit do you love most and want more discussion?  Behavior that is maximally beneficial to each is other is based on what is in a relatable to the individual.

If durian is most donated for, this helps very few people. It is only maximally beneficial to those who are willing and can grow durian. Overall, this is not very beneficial for the whole. What I can tell you is that what is maximally beneficial is discussing topics that both Floridians and Californians can grow since they are the biggest part of the forum. Through purely democratic means, mangoes have shown up to be the most popular thread. We already have found what people love the most, it's mangoes. There is a wealth of information on it in the forum, and most people on the forum can grow it (Florida, California, Hawaii, bunch of other tropical countries).

Huntington park isn't an oligarchy, it's a independent non-profit organization.

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