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This was such a wonderful video! I had no idea about keeping jabos in larger bonsai pots to contain growth yet still get fruit, great tip.

Brian, do you mind sharing where you found those pots?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Whole sale nursery
« on: April 24, 2024, 08:11:36 AM »
Local nurseries may also offer wholesale discounts or pricing depending on what you're looking for, e.g. Greens, http://www.greensnursery.com/, Julie's, https://www.juliestropical.com/inventory, A Natural Farm, https://www.anaturalfarm.com/.

Last time I was at Greens, someone had just bought 200 persimmon trees.

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Thanks for sharing the soil details! I hadn't looked this up before and didn't realize the diversity of soil types. According to FL soil survey map, https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?layers=3995a23b3e4541deb336bc1bf9b076d1, I've got the ridge "Tavares sand" which is considered "farmland of unique importance" and a small section of "Arents" soil. No irrigation here but I've always mulched and tried to increase organic matter.

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These are great ideas! My favorites to date have been grapefruit, pitangatuba, jaboticaba, and cocoa (hot cocoa using unsweetened cocoa powder).
Lots more to try...

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mcoambassador are you growing Ross sapote? I'd heard it's fairly cold sensitive and that Fairchild #2 canistel tastes almost identical and is more cold hardy. 

You might also consider loquat or lychee, but really depends on what you like!

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There are some older discussion threads that Hudson/S FL/Tropical, Triumph, and Winterset/Ormond persimmons do best in S Florida, https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3247.msg132498#msg132498

Ormond can be purchased from Just Fruits and Exotics, https://justfruitsandexotics.com/product/ormond-persimmon-tree/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fertilizing Young Persimmon Trees...
« on: March 31, 2024, 08:49:41 PM »
UF recommends the following, https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/HS1389

"a split fertilization plan with 3 applications is recommended, with 50% applied in late dormancy (March) and 25% each in June and September. A balanced fertilizer including macro- and micronutrients is suggested. The amount used in year 10 can be applied in succeeding years. Magnesium deficiencies can occur if soil potassium or calcium levels are too high, and manganese and iron can be scarce in soils with a pH above 7. Heavy applications of quick-release nitrogen should be avoided because this can increase fruit drop."

The nursery where I got mine recommended organic fertilizer (they use composted turkey manure & worm castings) 3 times a year by spreading evenly below the tree canopy.

First application: January/February when trees are still dormant at rate of 1 lb per tree for young trees and 3 lb for trees 3 years and older
Second application: June at ½ lb per tree for young trees and 1.5 lb for trees 3 years and older
Third application: September at same rate as 2nd application

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Tropical persimmons that do well in South FL like Triumph or Hudson?

Pine Island may have Triumph, https://tropicalfruitnursery.com/plant-catalog-reference-5, but they're not always in stock. If anyone knows where to find Triumph, I'm looking for one too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campbell White Sapote HELP?
« on: March 26, 2024, 01:44:27 PM »
The 1 gallon Campbell I bought earlier this month just started pushing new growth, it's in part sun. Was a little worried at first because it looked newly grafted with no fresh growth, but seems fine now. Thought white sapote was like citrus and avocado in not liking too much water or fertilizer (native to Mexico).



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^ Fingers crossed that ficus sycomorus will work here! Here's the fig RKN info from that old FL Dept of Ag bulletin:
 
"In the sandy soils of the State root knot is the biggest pest that bothers figs. The minute worms form small galls and live on the roots. When they become numerous they interfere with root formation. The only treatment is to keep the tree growing and putting on new roots to prevent the loss of the affected roots. Regular feeding program and precautions to keep the trees healthy will help keep down the damaging results of the nematode."



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Tice grows well for me and I definitely have RKN (can't grow figs). Also have a couple rooted Tice cuttings from pruning last year, they seem to root fine.

I was reading an old FL Dept of Agriculture bulletin from the 50's about figs, and it mentioned that you have to keep the roots constantly growing/renewing to fight off RKN. Unsure if more regular fertilizer might help with your RKN sensitive mulberry.
Do you have a link to that bulletin? I somehow have never heard that growth factoid but it makes a lot of sense from what I’ve seen.


As for our growing figs, you could try ficus sycomorus rootstock. It’s the new fad for RKN resistance. :-)

It was actually a paper copy (!) at the library, let me dig it up the next time I go.

Thanks! Plan to try grafting ficus sycomorus, I picked up some cuttings from Cody Cove Farm a couple months ago, and stumbled on this large one at Leu Gardens in Orlando last month, ficus sycomorus seems to do well in Central FL.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LONG Jabo season
« on: March 06, 2024, 08:09:21 PM »
It's actually really nice because it doesn't all ripen at once, plus the fruit keeps a long time, and can be eaten at various stages of ripeness from shiny/firm to dull/soft (with a miracle fruit is nice too!), or picked slightly early and will ripen later.

The netting I got (AgFabric) held up great outside for the 3 months it was fruiting, kept away the raccoons/possums/squirrels/birds, and probably provided some cold protection too for the few nights we had in the low 30's this year (lot of 40's lows which didn't seem to faze it).

 

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Tice grows well for me and I definitely have RKN (can't grow figs). Also have a couple rooted Tice cuttings from pruning last year, they seem to root fine.

I was reading an old FL Dept of Agriculture bulletin from the 50's about figs, and it mentioned that you have to keep the roots constantly growing/renewing to fight off RKN. Unsure if more regular fertilizer might help with your RKN sensitive mulberry.

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I have some INTA jaboticabas from imported seeds that are about 3-4 years old

Hi BonsaiBeast, if you still have one available, I'm interested. Sorry for the message issues but I'm not receiving notifications for some reason. Thanks again!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LONG Jabo season
« on: March 06, 2024, 09:30:38 AM »
Yep, Sabara fruited from Dec-Feb here in Central FL and just put on another massive bloom. Bought 10'x20' plant netting last year after losing all fruit, which has kept the critters away.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 04:26:58 PM »
Both are worth growing.   Black sapote for its aesthetics alone is worth a spot in the yard.  Year round bright green, glossy leaves and withstands mild frosts make it a winner for SoCA.  The fruit have a rich creaminess with a molasses flavor unique in the fruit world.  Not the sweetest fruit of course, but not every fruit needs to spike my blood sugar.
White sapote is a top tier fruit.  I've tasted flavors from different selections that vary from vanilla custard, to caramel, and even a creamy citrus flavor.  It won't win a head-to-head taste test with a good mango or durian, but still better than most of the other fruits regularly discussed on this forum.  And, it's easy as hell to grow and produces tons of fruit when mature.  The best white sapote easily goes head-to-head with the best cherimoya by my humble, subjective opinion.

Black sapote can also fruit prolifically in shade (at least in FL) which has value.

Can't wait to try white sapote based on the descriptions here, recently bought a Younghan's tree that's reported to be quite tasty.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What time of year to plant trees 9B
« on: February 08, 2024, 10:56:41 AM »
You could purchase a 55gal plastic barrel for $5, a battery powered timer, some hose or plastic tubing, and a few fittings for $50 and for $55 per tree you could set up a gravity feed watering system that could water a tree for you for weeks even when you weren't there.

What a great idea. Where are you finding 55 gallon barrels for $5?

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mcoambassador do you mind sharing what nematode rootstock you're using for figs? I recently picked up ficus sycomorus to try grafting.

Tamarind, white sapote, and starfruit might be other options for a neglected sand berm.
I’m trialing Zidi as per this research article https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251009945_Screening_of_Fig_Varieties_for_Rootstocks_Resistant_to_Soil_Sickness

And LSU Gold, which LSU reported to be nematode resistant (maybe moreso than LSU Purple). I like gold too because I believe it may send up less suckers than purple.


Florida fruit geek’s experiments didn’t end up working great. He hasn’t updated his blog to current status, but I recall he and I corresponded via email and some of the attempts ended up being nematode susceptible, and others eventually succumbed to delayed graft incompatibility. There is a nematode resistant ficus they use in the Middle East I recall vaguely but it’s not frost tolerant so doesn’t do great in central FL.

Interesting thanks for the details! Hope Zidi works out and is more cold tolerant.

I've heard varying cold hardiness for ficus sycomorus (possibly down to 24F), it grows successfully at Cody Cove Farm in Lake Wales. I'd given up on figs until recently learning there might be compatible rootstock.

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mcoambassador do you mind sharing what nematode rootstock you're using for figs? I recently picked up ficus sycomorus to try grafting.

Tamarind, white sapote, and starfruit might be other options for a neglected sand berm.

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Pine Island Nursery also sells Smathers: https://tropicalfruitnursery.com/plant-catalog-reference-6

I'm kicking myself because I visited last week and asked if they had any yellow or wooly leaf sapotes ("no" they hadn't heard of these), I didn't know Smathers was a C. tetrameria.

Came home with a Younghan's air layer instead. Is it true that air layered white sapotes can also have dwarf growing habit?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Che, medlar, arbutus trees
« on: January 10, 2024, 06:20:15 PM »
Hi, did you ever find medlar? I just ordered a box of the fruit to try, and may grow the seeds.

There's little information about whether medlar grows well in FL, but it seems to be related to loquats which do very well here.

How awesome, where did you order medlar fruit from? Please update after you get to try them!

Skipley Farm on Etsy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1438745416/medlar-trees-spring-mespilus-zke
Still waiting for it to ship...

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Che, medlar, arbutus trees
« on: January 09, 2024, 10:42:00 AM »
Hi, did you ever find medlar? I just ordered a box of the fruit to try, and may grow the seeds.

There's little information about whether medlar grows well in FL, but it seems to be related to loquats which do very well here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: question on pitangatuba. Evgenia selloi
« on: January 07, 2024, 12:24:24 PM »
My pitangatubas will also flower prolifically but don't always set fruit, unsure if it's because they're still young or why this happens.

It took mine awhile to get over that, and certainly didn't get much fruit till I had two of them.

Thank you, that's encouraging! I have 4 plants that are supposed to be a mix of round and elongated, only the round has fruited so far. The smell is delicious, like a blend of pineapple/mango/passionfruit, and I have to use gauze bags to keep critters away. I love the flavor but eat a miracle fruit first.

The way they flower, even if 18% is optimal fruit set, I should get more fruit eventually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nursery near Orlando
« on: January 07, 2024, 12:13:55 PM »
Orlando area traffic can be awful, depending on where you'll be there's also South Eden Edible nursery in Kissimmee (https://www.facebook.com/southedennursery/), A Natural Farm in Howey in the Hills (https://www.anaturalfarm.com/), and Pokey's in Apopka/Zellwood (https://www.facebook.com/people/Pokeys-Citrus-Nursery/100063767904869/) has lots of fruit tree options.

For rarer fruit trees and houseplants, I'd second Green's Nursery in Zellwood, though it can be hit or miss and you may have to look closely. I was just there and they had lots of different jabos (yellow, blue, grimal, red, etc), kwai muk, sapodilla, PB fruit, blackberry jam fruit, and plenty of sugar apples in different sizes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: question on pitangatuba. Evgenia selloi
« on: January 07, 2024, 09:23:57 AM »
My pitangatubas will also flower prolifically but don't always set fruit, unsure if it's because they're still young or why this happens.

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