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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting Fruit Trees Near Queen Palm Tree
« on: September 19, 2022, 01:10:27 PM »
I've got a couple of pineapple guava relatively close to a queen palm plus some shrubs and no problems yet for either the fruit trees or the palm. Queen palm roots are noninvasive, they just go wide to anchor the tree.

My concern would be for the queen palm, depending on what you're growing. Those palms with non-invasive roots (not just queens but Washingtonia species as well, like the Mexican fan palms) can get throttled by some other invasive roots; the previous owner of my property accidentally killed two established adult palms by planting a willow acacia nearby that proceeded to throttle them, but those have REALLY invasive roots. Probably not gonna happen with most fruit trees.

Old talk by UC avocado curator Julie Frink where she mentions the aravaipa at the 1-hour mark:

An old interview with Doug Jones (who I *think* is still the head of the Arizona chapter of the CRFG) about the aravaipa where he starts talking about the taste at 8:30-8:40ish mark: , Doug might have had a financial interest here (he was the one who found the original Aravaipa tree and initially propagated it) but he's also a local expert.

Both of them echo the same thing, that it's not the best tasting avocado (Julie mentions there are better options if you don't have to deal with the cold). Matches my experience, I honestly didn't see a major difference between the one that I had and the average store-bought avocado (which some people might think is god-awful but we don't have the right climate, soil or water for the good stuff).

What's weird here is that locally and online I've heard/seen reviews all over the place, to the point that I've privately wondered if more than one strain of these running around (seedling maybe) or something else otherwise being sold as an aravaipa.

PM sent if you have some left. Mystery eugenia sounds intriguing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: aravaipa avocado
« on: September 14, 2022, 10:29:58 PM »
Tasted like a Hass to me. The one I tried the fruit from was a vigorous producer. The main draw for them out here seems to be less about taste and more that they're tanks; they can stand up to crazy temps, appear to be okay with the saline solution they call tap-water out here water from the Salt River, and recover from very hard pruning/ storm damage/ dinosaur attacks relatively well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote varieties
« on: September 12, 2022, 08:54:29 PM »
I've been growing out some seeds for a year now and I've noticed a few things about white sapote in FL. 

- They do not like full sun when young. They yellow and grow very slowly but in partial sun they do great. I have them planted all over my yard in different conditions and the ones with some afternoon shade are doing much better.

Same in Phoenix. They seem to prefer to grow into the sun from part/ afternoon shade at their own pace. I lost a Vernon in the heat this year even protected, although it was already having some kind of fungal problem when I received it.

Where is everyone getting their scionwood for these? I've seen a few forum members offer but there are a lot of varieties mentioned regularly (Malibu, Santa Cruz, Rainbow)  that I have no idea where to source.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Psidium Longipetiolatum
« on: September 09, 2022, 09:03:14 PM »
I would also be REALLY interested in fresh seeds (or a cutting) if possible: I had a few baby seedlings of this plant that died just a few weeks ago due to contaminated growing media. That was a real bummer. Would be glad to pay for shipping/ costs.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coffee
« on: August 28, 2022, 03:36:38 PM »
Not the berries but along similar lines for dual use of coffee plants, traditionally the leaves are dried and made into a tea in some places: .

I've had it a couple of times and found it pleasant. Sort of an earthy green tea flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coffee
« on: August 26, 2022, 03:34:32 AM »
It's one of those traits that likely almost no one has tried to select for at any scale given the value of the seeds.

Coffee cherries have very little pulp/flesh. The skin is edible though but it's best used for making tea.

Word. Good cascara/ qishr (from a farm drying the fruit for that purpose and not tossing it in a moldy fermentation pile first) is delicious with a slice of ginger, reminds me of tamarind very slightly.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but this sounds like apical dominance: Basically in plants that exhibit strong apical dominance, hormones in the dominant main branch/central stem keep lower branches from growing much (think sunflowers that grow up and barely to the sides at all). If so, you can only have one dominant leader branch growing at one time, probably (because it's turning off growth on lower side branches).

I've not grown tamarillos so I don't know first-hand, but it sounds like that behavior. Looking at pictures of young tamarillos on Google they seem to exhibit that same sunflower-like up-but-not-out behavior when they're small. Again though, this is just an educated guess. 

EDIT:I know a lot of trees with strong apical dominance, if you trim the leader they will grow out lower for a bushier plant, but not everything does that. Some of them (silk floss, off the top of my head) shoot upwards from a side branch like this, or act oddly (jujubes).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sowexotic Nursery Experiences?
« on: August 20, 2022, 05:34:45 AM »
I purchased a couple of items from them in the past, most recently a yellow muntingia and a jamaican mint. The muntingia was in great shape (better conditions than a lot of sellers items on, say, etsy that are half-dead when they get here), meanwhile the mint had been packed insecurely and came loose from its soil (and died) during transit. I sent a picture to their customer service and got a refund for the mint.

Haven't tried them again yet.

Agreed with the above comments. I've ordered from Shiloh twice now, both times everything arrived in great condition and EXTREMELY fresh, and almost everything sprouted extremely quickly. EDIT:Seriously, I ordered some things expecting my normal spotty germination rate but it's been stupidly high; I'm drowning in wax jambu over here. Good problem to have I guess.

I have noticed this with mine as well. The only time that I have seen them prolifically fruiting was at the nursery when they were all grouped up together, which makes me wonder if they're yet another species that has larger yield/ better fruit set if they have a companion cross-pollinator (afaik all the ones at the nursery were seed-propagated).

I've used diluted cold-pressed neem oil on two species edit: cultivars of cherimoya and multiple feijoa without issue, and I may have had a slight bad reaction on new growth on a surinam cherry but that could well have been something else (that particular seedling has been sensitive to everything).Also used it on citrus without personal issue.

That said, might be worth testing a small part of each plant just to be sure. I've mostly personally seen bad reactions in the legume family (mimosa silk tree, beans, hummingbird tree)  when trying to deal with pests we have out here but some of my individual plants seem more or less touchy about it. Be interested to see what other peoples' experience is.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: seeds
« on: August 17, 2022, 06:24:17 PM »
I've ordered a couple of times from this seller and the seeds were good quality, good germination. Got a bunch of dasyblastas, zills and grimals going.

I purchased a pair of sacha inchi plants from Drstew, and both were in great shape and well taken care of. Definitely recommend this seller.

I have both
To me they taste the same, the yellow is slightly larger fruit.
I was told the yellow one is more cold hardy?

Thanks for the reply, and huh, maybe so. Ah, yeah, one of my yellows (guess it's more of a blush-red) is a cutting from a tree that survived last winter in Phoenix area so I guess we'll see. They grow so fast I guess the worst case scenario is I buy a new one every year or grow one from seed, but I was hoping for some deciduous dappled shade out of it for the small plants.

my chickens really like the red ones but ignore the the yellow seems more bird resistant!

Hahaha, interesting. Mine are mostly ignored by the birds until they're just ripe, and then the little jerk sparrow-like birds that we have out here will take a single bite and leave the rest to rot (just like they do to my jujubes).

I started hanging rubber snakes in the tree, which works, but then I forget that I did that until I'm reaching my hand in and my brain starts screaming at me that there's a snake near my hand...

I've heard some conflicting information on this one. I was looking to plant a yellow and a red this year, but accidentally managed to purchase what I think are two yellows (one is slightly red-tinged but it never goes full red like some of the pictures that I've seen before the fruit splits). My question is, does it matter? Do the red and yellow varieties taste any different to anyone who has had both?

I would rather have a colonoscopy everyday for the next 10 years than to give 1 cent to Shamus O'Leary.  There might not be a bigger a$$hole in the state of AZ.

Lol, fair enough. I've rarely had trouble with the condition of the plants though, which is more than I can say for a number of online sellers (not on this forum, just in general, their names come up often enough). I'll ask around this week and see if I know anybody else who has one, I've seen them pop up rarely at the other tropical joints.

After speaking with a few nurseries owners the past few years seems like many don't hold him in the highest regards. I have also decided not to shop there anymore after hearing some stories. I'd rather just grow something from seed or buy from this community.

Not to derail the thread but man, if you get ANY of the local nursery guys talking about the others, it starts to sound like high school all over again. So much drama in the Phoenix rare fruit scene  ;D

The only thing they all agree on is that Moon Valley sucks.

Can confirm what Drstew said, Shamus O'Leary's down in South Mountain had some as of a week ago.

Just got scammed on etsy by someone sticking a rose cutting in a ball of mud and saying it was a jocote, spondias purpurea.   >:(

Condolences, that's super frustrating.

My seeds got here today in great condition with a couple extra for the road, thanks Shiloh.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia seedling dieback
« on: June 26, 2022, 02:37:31 AM »
The level of ambient moisture where you're at might have something to do with it. Some of them definitely don't like the desert here until they get acclimated for instance... Also seems to be species dependent for me, like pitanga doesn't seem to care too much, but I haven't been able to sprout any grumichama so far here (multiple sources, fresh) without a humidity dome or plastic over the top of the container. In fact a sprouted grumichama just dried out on me within a day of opening up the container a little earlier than I planned to, although it might push up another stalk (hopefully)

Yep, just got mine as well. Pads looking good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia seedling dieback
« on: June 21, 2022, 05:32:11 PM »

it's this...the humidity and best to avoid that scorching sun when they're young..can tell you most of the eugenias sold here in the forum do's the guabiju that doesn't sprout for me and i've tried from 3 different sources but nothing.

I tried guabiju for the first time this year; first batch 0%. Spoke with Marcos and he suggested more light (planting them not too deep) and not to over-water. So I tried a second batch in wrung-out damp coco-coir with plastic wrap over the top of the cup to keep the humidity high, with the seed planted just under the surface and then sat them under an old crappy grow-light I had lying around. I would mist or bottom-water when the top of the coir started looking dry. That worked for me for the majority of that batch.

For the plinias/eugenias the issue for me beyond seed quality seems to be mostly humidity. I try to keep them in a dome or with plastic over them now until they have two sets of leaves and that has a dramatically higher success rate for me. Also switching to relatively loose well-washed coir instead of heavier soil mix, I don't know what combination of water retention/ aeration is helping but it has. I'm in an exceptionally dry climate though so my issues may not be other peoples' issues.

Definitely recommend the seller, I bought a wide variety of plinia seeds a little while ago and the germination rate/ general vigor has been solid so far.

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