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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Where to find Tasty Rich Aprium and Flavor Rich Pluot Tree?
« on: November 21, 2024, 05:44:10 PM »
Quote from: growinginphoenix on November 14, 2024, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: palingkecil on November 13, 2024, 06:45:37 PM
It seems like the chill hour is no longer an important key factor to produce for stone fruit in my yard. I have about 12 varieties growing now, and the one that kind of struggling to produce well is on Citation rootstock. The other with 700-800 chill hour on Nema or Myro rootstock still produce decent amount of fruit. In the 11 years old post I have found on Garden Web, someone grew them in Vista, which supposed to be even warmer than my area, and it still produce well.
So if anyone can spare some scions, I will graft them on the Nema rootstock.
Thanks everyone!

By Myro do you mean Myrobalan or Myrobalan 29C?

Let me ask the vendor. I bought 98% of my stone fruit trees from bay laurel nursery. They have good healthy trees and good service. I will ask what Myro rootstock tgey got from DWN.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Where to find Tasty Rich Aprium and Flavor Rich Pluot Tree?
« on: November 13, 2024, 06:45:37 PM »
Quote from: Longranger on November 13, 2024, 05:42:15 PM
Those varieties require 700 and 800 chill hours which is way more than you get in most areas of Southern California. I would plant a variety that is low chill and more likely to give you fruit. You could always search out some scions of those 2 varieties to graft to whatever you plant. A nonproductive branch or 2 is no big deal.

It seems like the chill hour is no longer an important key factor to produce for stone fruit in my yard. I have about 12 varieties growing now, and the one that kind of struggling to produce well is on Citation rootstock. The other with 700-800 chill hour on Nema or Myro rootstock still produce decent amount of fruit. In the 11 years old post I have found on Garden Web, someone grew them in Vista, which supposed to be even warmer than my area, and it still produce well.
So if anyone can spare some scions, I will graft them on the Nema rootstock.
Thanks everyone!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Where to find Tasty Rich Aprium and Flavor Rich Pluot Tree?
« on: November 13, 2024, 05:09:33 PM »
I apologize for posting this on tropical fruit section, but we have more traffic here.
Anyone has these trees? DWN seems to discontinue selling these varieties. Although from an 11 years old post someone mentioned they will make it available if you order 10-20 trees per
 variety. I can take 2 trees/ variety, anyone interested for a group order?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Long term impacts of gopher baskets?
« on: November 12, 2024, 06:34:05 PM »
If you are very skillfull in setting trap, maybe you don't need gopher cage. But for people like me, the cage has been a life safer. I always use the stainless steel ones, they usually still intact after 5 years (could be more, i just checked mine after 5 years), and hopefully the trees already built big enough root system after 5 years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Keppel in Miami.
« on: October 09, 2024, 04:16:31 PM »
Does anyone successfully fruit this Keppel Apple in Florida? If so, how does the fruit taste and how many years from a seedling? Thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mexican Cream Guavas?
« on: October 04, 2024, 04:30:48 PM »


Finally I tried the fruit from my yellow egyptian guava.
Just 2 years in ground from a tiny stick tree I bought from logees.
Fast growing, precocious, and the fruit is delicious. It is as close as Mexican cream I think. Very few seed, creamy, aromatic, pleasantly sweet, and blemish free fruit.
There are only 6 fruit this year, but logees mentions in their website this variety is prolific. For the first harvest, it is a winner!




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 04, 2024, 04:06:12 PM »
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 03, 2024, 04:29:57 PM
Mine are in full morning sun from around 8am-1pm, and they seem hot and bothered, especially by my hard water. Maybe they'll turn the corner one year and finally right all year long, but not so far. I am hotter and drier than you, and I wish I had planted them in full shade here. It is rare to find a plant that can succeed with shade, so I'm happy to have something like paw paw that will do ok with it.

Good to know! I will plan them under the shade then.
have you tried using fish emulsifier on your pawpaw?The first year I grow them I was so on fire that I used fish emulsifier twice a month and deep watering them twice a week, believe me they were growing super fast! They were about 8 inch sticks when I got them from one green world, but they grew to 3 ft in just 1 year. The second year, I neglected them and they were growing super slow. I read that pawpaws love fish decays, I will put some under the soil if we don't have so many racoons at night.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 03, 2024, 04:07:54 PM »
Has anyone grown KSU Chappell and Allegheny in full sun where it is hot? I am placing an order for those varieties. After a long search, there is no article mentioning how hot hardy these 2 varieties are.
I have no doubt that they can flower and fruit here, the Wabash has over 1 dozen flowers now. The only doubt is whether to plant them in the shade or full sun to survive.
My Susquehana was in 60% shade but still was very troublesome to grow, when the Wabash is thriving in full sun.
My yard can get super hot with the record 117 degrees this year, but I water my pawpaw very often.
Should I plant the KSU Chapell and Allegheny in full sun or in the shade?


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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for someone who sells fresh pawpaw
« on: October 03, 2024, 12:32:34 PM »
There are sellers on Etsy.com, price is expensive though, $25 and up for 1 lbs, which is usually only 2-3 paw-paws.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: September 11, 2024, 03:09:34 AM »
Quote from: MarktLee on September 09, 2024, 03:25:39 PM
I just found 2 fruit on the ground down here in southern San Diego. This was a different season than previous years. We didn't have as many chill hours as the previous years. We didn't have as much flower set and not all varieties flowered at the same time. Also the fruit that set are about half the size as last year, and half the number of fruit set. It looks like I only have fruit from my "Taylor" , "Sunflower" and "Sweet Alice" set fruit. The "Mango", Wabash", "Shenandoah" and "Susquehanna" are still young grafts. Although the first spring I grafted a "Sunflower" it was low on the rootstock and it produced a nice cluster that fall, very strange.
Did you hand pollinate and cross pollinate them, Mark?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: September 07, 2024, 08:01:42 PM »
This year the papaw went dormant on February. We have a weird dormancy cycle here. My annonas usually go dormant on April/ May, so they actually will hold their fruit to maturity during winter. One time we had a really mild winter and the annonas did not defoliate at all for the whole year.
Wabash is supposed to be a mid season harvest one, maybe I will buy an Allegheny since it us an early season one that grow well here. But KSU Chappel is tempting because it is a super vigorous grower and reported very prolific.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: September 05, 2024, 12:46:04 PM »
Quote from: ScottR on October 10, 2022, 04:44:57 PM
I've been growing paw paw's for about 20 yrs. I have Sunflower,Mango,Rebecca's Gold,Susquehanna,Allegheny and selected seedlings from Kentucky State U. I have not noticed any effects of lower chill on my Paw Paw's they grow and fruit with a little help (hand pollenate) maybe one day and get good set. My Peterson varieties one Allegheny will have fruit this year for first time.I've had those varieties only 3-5years. We get maybe 250hrs. of chill a year.Since it takes two different varieties to get fruit (except Sunflower) I have a tree with multi-trunks in same area which makes it easyer to hand pollenate, they sucker up new growth trunks all the time=paw paw patch.

Hi Scott, which variety is your favorite? I am thinking of adding one more variety to get more fruit. I had a Susquehanna before, but died after I failed to water my trees for a month, and my Wabash survived.
There are rare varieties out there, but I am not sure if they will survive the heat in my yard. My Susquehanna was under the shade almost all day, when my Wabash gets 6-8 hours full sun. So Wabash has a really high dry and heat tolerance.
Another thing, if the pawpaw is flowering now, will the fruit get ripe properly over winter? Because my starfruit and banana always flower in August, and I never get any properly ripen fruit from those 2.
Starfruit can be force to flower earlier by pinching it's branches (half break them), can you force pawpaw to flower earlier?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: September 05, 2024, 11:58:08 AM »
Quote from: MarktLee on October 09, 2022, 09:28:40 PM
I live in Chula Vista 3 miles inland just south of San Diego. We get about 70 chill hours. I have 3 grafted varieties in the ground and they are about 10 years old. I water them real good during the flowering time, and then hand pollinate as much as I can. I have one that does not need a pollinator which is the "Sunflower" variety. This year on all 3 of my trees I have about 30 fruit. Some are still on the tree. They need lower pH soil and a lot of water. The lack of chill hours has not been a big issue here. I think anyone can fruit them, just know when to pollinate and water good.

Hi Mark, hope you still stop by this forum and read the old thread.
My Wabash is flowering now. I read hundreds of articles and discussion forums about pawpaw before I decided to grow Wabash. Mango and Sunflower are mentioned some of the best varieties for So- Cal that will fruit in zone 10, but Wabash taste better and hold on the tree better too according to a pawpaw veteran with 30 plus years experience of growing pawpaw.
I lost the article, and cannot remember if he hand pollinate his Wabash. He grew over 30 varieties in Texas, and at the end he just grow Wabash. According to him, Wabash does not need cross pollination to produce well.
I only have 2 flowers now, but one is already bloom and one is not yet. Should i force open the one that not bloom to pollinate it, like I usually do with cherimoya?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Land for Sale - Palm Beach County, Florida - $590k
« on: August 16, 2024, 03:32:57 PM »
What city is the property at? How far is it from the beach. Me and a friend are interested to buy properties in FL. Ideally not too far (1 hour drive?) from Miami since we will have to fly back and forth. Also, any trustworthy contractor?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gophers and cherimoyas?
« on: August 12, 2024, 06:40:02 PM »
Quote from: FigoVelo on August 11, 2024, 08:14:26 PM
I’ve been working about 1 acre of trees and garden beds for seven years. I’ve killed at least 200 gophers. And it makes a difference visibly compared to properties where there is no trapping. However, it would be murder to plant a fig tree in Sebastopol with no gopher basket. I have dug trees up after several years, and the baskets were still intact.

What gopher trap do you use? I use everything I could buy, and it will trap 1-3 gophers, and afterward the gophers are not getting close to it anymore. Gopher hawk, chinc gopher trap, regular trap, I tried them all. Not to brag, I swear my gophers have higher IQ than others.
They only like mango trees though, they never touch any of my citrus,avocado, mulberry, loquat, jackfruit, cherimoya, sapodilla, starfruit, sapote, longan, stone fruit, etc.
But I have lost more than 12 mango trees to gophers, and recently lost my prize Sugarloaf with nice size fruits on it. so from now on, a gopher basket on every mango tree!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguanas
« on: July 15, 2024, 02:24:21 AM »
Quote from: Tropicalgrower89 on July 14, 2024, 08:48:46 PM
I used to constantly shoot iguanas with my gamo hornet breaker-barrel rifle and burying them in my back yard (natural fertilizer). I've noticed here in Venice where I just moved (just south of Sarasota), there are no iguanas anywhere, even around lakes.

How far are you from Sarasota? I have been searching for a place that has no iguana in Florida. I love animals, but I have phobia with iguana and big lizard.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what are some fast bearing rarities?
« on: July 07, 2024, 04:32:36 PM »
Are you planning to grow everything from seeds? Passiflora can bear fruit the 1st year if you grow from cuttings, exotic cherries like CORG, Suriname, etc, bear fruit right away if you buy grafted trees.
Even the red longan can bear fruit right away if you buy a 15 gallon grafted tree.
I got a 3 gallon mystery longan tree from Mimosa a month ago, the owner said it is from Hawaii but he forgot the name. That little beast is actually holding fruit in a 3 gallon pot now.
Some varieties are more precocious than others. But if you grow everything from seeds, even the ones that supposed to bear early might not do so, since the traits from the original tree could skip in seedlings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fresh Yangmei Fruit on Weee!
« on: June 28, 2024, 06:06:08 PM »
Anyone wants Sweet Violet seeds? I bought one box to see if it is worth it to grow yang mei. It was quite sweet, but honestly I prefer my Suriname cherry and pitangatuba over sweet violet.
I still have the seeds in the fridge, if no one wants them I will throw those in a week.
Btw, I also ordered Fei Ji Xiao Lychee from saywee, and liked it more than the Yang mei.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Yangmei plants
« on: June 27, 2024, 07:23:57 PM »
Quote from: BestDay on June 25, 2024, 06:36:59 PM
Hi Guys, anyone have a grafted Yangmei plant for sale?  Hopefully without RKN. I’m in So Cal. I can pickup if local or shipping is fine.

Thanks
Bill

A member here with ID name pinkturtle has a few trees for sale. He is in Pico Rivera. His name is Al, a very nice guy. I want to buy one from him, but has not have any free time to drive there yet.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB - Delores and/or Jalisco guava Cuttings
« on: June 08, 2024, 08:00:30 PM »
The guy I mentioned is not JF, he lives about 5 miles from JF. His name is Mike, a very nice guy. I bought 2 annonas from him. JF moved to Mexico.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB - Delores and/or Jalisco guava Cuttings
« on: June 08, 2024, 01:14:14 PM »
I have talked to a guy who used to be active in the forum. He is from Mexico, and he goes back and forth to visit relatives. He swore to me that even in Mexico, not all Delores and Jalisco taste good. He tried many and only found one Jalisco that tasted good, and he brought some cuttings back to the US. This was 2 years ago, I should find his phone number and see if those cuttings grow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple guava in pots
« on: June 03, 2024, 12:38:13 PM »
I am not an expert, but my pinneaple guava prefers cactus/palm mix soil, not rich potting soil. It actually thrives while neglected, but I do have a drip system that waters it deeply once a week. If you put them in the pot, too much fertilizer will cause root rot. You can sprinkle some on the top, not too much. Twice a year fertilizer should be enough. Water deeply twice a week if it is in the pot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches in south FL (low chill)
« on: May 21, 2024, 06:55:06 PM »
Quote from: drymifolia on May 21, 2024, 12:08:12 PM
Quote from: Altrexy on May 20, 2024, 01:01:42 PM
Maybe I should buy an industrial freezer and keep the trees in pots 🤔

Remember you don't actually want them below freezing. Max chill occurs in mid-30s to upper 40s. So more like an industrial refrigerator.

It's always funny how we all want what we can't get. Here I am in the PNW with the highest chill of any zone 9a in the country, but I just wish I could grow a mango tree in my greenhouse. But even the greenhouse gets too cold in winter.

Peaches grow well here, other than PLC and lack of heat units to really sweeten them up. I got nearly 3000 "Utah chill units" from September to March this year, and my peach tree flowered prolifically, before PLC set in (in April) causing it to lose most the leaves and drop all but a few fruit. New healthy leaves are replacing the lost ones, so maybe it'll hold a few fruit and I'll get my first homegrown peaches this year.

Maybe someone in good peach growing climate and someone in good mango growing climate could set up a fruit swap? 😂
This a very good idea. I got over 500 peaches a year from my trees, and only 2-3 mangoes a year. And I only have 7 peach trees and about 15 mango trees! All the trees are only 3 years in ground, but peach trees start producing like crazy the 1st year.
Should we start 'Fruit Swap Forum' then?
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf jackfruit varieties for zone 9b . . . ?
« on: May 08, 2024, 12:59:35 PM »
Quote from: Mike T on May 08, 2024, 04:46:50 AM
I am not saying they are not respectable but are soft, can be generous with latex and I have seen trees that would make a lumberjack's heart skip a beat.
Thanks for confirming that they are soft! I really want soft jackfruit that taste intensely sweet with bubble gum aroma. Well, that as close as I can get to chempedak.
Does chempedak grow well in your climate, Mike? If i can grow one here then I would not bother with jackfruit.
As for the tree size, I grew up in Indonesia, and I went to the villages in Java a lot. We ran around picking up rambutan, ketjapi, and sometimes mangoes too off the ground. Those trees were never trimmed, so they are huge. But I recall the jacfruit and durian trees were relatively on the small side, about 5-7 meters, rarely reach 10 meters. Back then, they did not have dwarf jackfruit or dwarf durian. These are all generic trees.
So the villagers keep trimming jackfruit and durian trees, because if they let the trees grow huge, it would be dangerous when the fruits drop. A ripe regular size jackfruit or durian would easily kill a pedestrian if it falls off. Also for the purpose of easier harvest, I guess.
As for trees with small and harmless fruits, they let those grow huge and just picking the ripe fruits off the ground.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you identify the fruit on this coin design?
« on: May 07, 2024, 11:54:17 AM »
Quote from: serval on March 19, 2024, 04:16:21 PM
Hello,

I'm from London, England. I don't grow anything.

I'm a coin collector and like to try to identify exotic fruit on coin designs where no data exists that I can find.

I rely on knowledgeable people to do this, but my fellow coin collectors often do not have the right sort of knowledge.




This is a 5 Lebanese pounds coin of 1978. Can anybody identify the fruit (and / or vegetables) on it?

At bottom right we seem to have bananas and a pear.

Further left we have cherries, perhaps? It's probably impossible to know what that thing is that they're resting on.

The two items at far left look intriguing. Does anybody know what they are?

The letters FAO stand for Food and Agricultural Organization, by the way. There were quite a few coins with this slogan in the 1970s, though generally not in the Western world.

A fellow coin collector commented:

The lower flower in your Lebanese specimen could be a Damascus rose, which is widely cultivated in the region for its fragrant oil.
My father in law is Lebanese, born and raised over there. He has dementia now, but when he was well he has almost constant diet that he said remind him of home: pommegranate, blood orange, quince, olive (both raw and pickled), grapes, raw onion, okra, fava beans( the unpelled one is long), carob, and tons of raw garlic.
So some of those mentioned could be the pictures on the coin.

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