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What kind of grafted mango trees can you find now in the nurseries except the common varieties?

Quote from: zands on December 14, 2012, 08:42:34 AM

Quote from: msk0072 on December 14, 2012, 08:06:00 AM

I got yesterday 20 seeds of marang (tarap) fruit from b-and-t-world-seeds. The seeds were in a zip locked plastic bag, just the seeds without any moisture. Are the seeds recalcitrant like jackfruit, or durian seeds?

Doesn't scarification help? To try on half of them?

Scarification is usually only used on seeds that are difficult to germinate and are usually dormant, not recalcitrant seeds.

I thought the same!

Today i was in the mango specialist shop where i saw 200 Red Dragon mangotree's some weeks ago. They had only 4 pieces left ands till cost 30 us$ which is a very high price for thailand. I wanted to buy Rapoza but i cannot communicate with them and i think they have never heard of it. I want Rapoza because its anthracnose resistance and because it should taste so good (and looks). For that one i will pay 30$ here not for any other.

The mangoshop nextdoor to the big shop told me Red Dragon is probably also the same as Ivory (Elephant) and Jakrapat and that someone just grows them from a species which came from seed mixed.

There is also NDM Red for sale here, they make species faster then internet can follow. Red Dragon is not in Google that means it is very new.

I think if i had loads of Rapoza mango's and sell them very expensive here they will fly out of the shops. Also the tree's will be sold quick after that. Nobody has ever seen a Red Dragon mango in real here and also not on the web. I saw pictures at some shop who sells the tree's but maybe it tastes crap.

I read you asked what i would grow if i started a farm to live from, well i would grow Rapoza in Thailand and sell them only expensive to Thai and Singapore and Honkong and Kuala Lumpur etc. Just make a hype of it like new from Hawai!

From the varieties that are not very common like Mahachanok, Chokanon, etc what  can someone find there in the big markets of Bangkok if you know?

mod edit: I fixed the Mahachanok spelling for easier searching on the forum.

Well i can show you the shops Mike but it is not so relaxed to hang around there. Those shops are at a very busy road (outer ring) so it is very noisy, smelly and bloody hot there in the sun. Also there is a lot of traffic jam and not many places to park easy.  The shops are on the pavement right next to the road but i know some sidestreets where they also sell them but there it costs a little more but is much more relaxed.

I will go see chatuchak plant market soon on a wednesday, i have never been on wednesday because i thought it was on friday and then the market is also open with plants. All species availlable on the place i mentioned i have allready so i need to find a new spot with new species.

Did you visit Chatuchak market on Wednesday to transfer us some impressions?

You need some red mud & straws

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Quote from: ASaffron on December 06, 2012, 12:32:56 PM

... I wonder if a small sheild bud method would work?  using less scion material from the mother plant?

Very old article with good ideas about lychee grafting. When I was very young this style of grafting was used from the older skilled man to graft the olive trees. I have this in my mind like a very old picture!

Quote from: msk0072 on December 05, 2012, 12:00:26 PM

I have some lychee seedlings and I like to try to graft. As I know the most lychee trees (more than 90%) are produced using air layering. Only a small quantity is produced using grafting material. Searching the internet I found very few sources about this topic and the description was not detailed.
Before I try to graft the seedlings next spring/summer I like to clear some questions in my mind:
How easy?
What are the conditions and preconditions?
What kind of graft?
Rootstock?, scion wood?  etc...

Sorry if this is discussed before in another topic in this forum, but my search didn't give me related results

If you use rootstock and scion that are compatible than grafting lychee is not difficult. In order to maximize compatibility try to use seed and rootstock from same cultivar. For example, if grafting Kaimana use rootstock grown from Kaimana seeds, and scion wood from Kaimana. I think regular cleft graft will work, but haven't tried it, so you might want to experiment with a few different types of graft unions.

Oscar,
Thanks for the replay.
I got the seeds from fruits I bought in the local super market. I didn't notice the cultivar so I don't know the cultivar of my seedlings. As I remember the fruits came from S. Africa. If there isn't compatibility between rootstock and scion wood how high is the success rate?

Thanks , Steven

I meant leaf not leave! Already corrected! My english grammar is uwfull!

D175 and the almost mythical D.macrantha will both fruit in March here.Should you find yourself in Mt Leuser National Park in northern Sumatra at any time keep your eyes peeled for D.macrantha as it was found just once in 1981.I told the story of this fruit before and won't repeat it.Right now Lin and Long Laplae are perhaps the most desirable of all durians and not just because of their cold tolerance.So how do you collect seeds from seedless durians?....by eating shiploads of them as is possible in Thailand in May but don't expect to pay montong prices.Hang around the bins at chatuchuk.I suppose chanthaburi 1 seeds would be in strong demand and they are also something very special.

Mike T
To get the seeds of Lin and Long Laplae varieties you have to be very lucky: Be in the right place, the right time and very very hungry

Hi durian enthusiasts
In between I found a seed source of the hardy varieties red prawn and musang king. The guy told me that the season of these varieties is twice a year, in may and in november. From the discussion here I followed that the season is over and have to wait for next year to get fresh seeds. Who can tell me more? An advice please!

Well Mike that is also hard for me to get what i order. I bought a plumeria variety on Chatuchak which should be Bali Palace but when i finally grafted it and had it flower it was a yellow one but the same one we had on a big tree allready. I saw them on Bali and they were totally yellow and ours had also white parts in the flowers.

He can try Chatuchak but then the tree should be labelled before you arrive there, in that case they can not give you some tree and tell you it is the one you ask for. On the other hand i bought many tree's without labels and those guys have 10 species standing all over the shop and they can see which one is which species by looking at the leaves and stem. I cannot do that but i am not a thai and in the mango-business.

Well the tree's are not expensive for us so if he decides to bring some then just buy some extra from other shops. They will not all be cheating i guess. On Chatuchak i was stupid one day and paid with a billiet from 1000 baht which i thought it was a 100 bill. When i walked away the lady followed me to give me my change.

If he goes to Kanchana Phisek road around the area of Bang Bua Thong he will see loads of mangoshops along the road. That area is not the centre of BKK but there the shops from Chatuchak might buy them, it is a very long area where they sell them and you can see them from out of the car/taxi/bus. Go where Kanchana Phisek road meats Ratthana-thibet road that area has loads of plantshops all over, you cannot miss them. They are along the road for many km/miles

Most tree's are full of diseases so spray them at home. If i was him and just want to buy it simple then buy on chatuchak. Also i read story's that the plant market there is open on wednesday, i thought friday but they are also there in the weekend but maybe not that many as on the plant day. Check internet if you want to be sure. Google on chatuchak and plant market and you will find many hits.

All the tree's there are grafted and mostly 1 meter high or taller. Good luck to him i think he will find what he wants.

Very good and with details your information. Thank you very much Bangkok. I will transfer the information to my friend. He is now in the area of Sakon Nakhon.
I have to plan my next travel to Thailand as soon as possible! Can you be my guide for tree and fruit hunting?    haha!
Last time when my friend was there a few months ago took some tree in his suitcase traveling back home. Small trees like mangos, durian, jackfruit, etc. about 60-70cm high. I do not know where he bought all these. He packed the tree in plastic bags bare root without anything. They arrived fine but in about 4-5weeks all the tree died. He didn't know how to handle such stuff. I hope this time is better prepared. If you find another good place where some one can  buy really good stuff let me know.

I eat mango's in Thailand for 10 years but never had Ivory or Golden Queen. I have seen them in Siam Paragon supermarket but i won't buy it there. Supermarket mango's always taste boring so i prefer them from the markets.

I think i also have a plant from Kim Hong but that should be my purple mango which never flowered so far. Thai don't label their mangotree's on the wholesale places so they can sell me anything and i will find out what it is many years later. I bought that Kim Hong for 500 baht (which is much for a small tree) and it has 2 stems going into the soil. They are grafted but i don't know why they did not cut one stem off. It should be a nice purple mango from Taiwan they told me, we will see next year i hope.

I also will go see Chatuckak again then to see what species they have now. If there is Ivory then i will  buy it.  The problem is they again can easy cheat me by selling an expensive species which is not what they say it is but we will see. I really would like to have Rapoza if they have it.

It is annoying that the thai always use the thai names but what can we do about it?

Hi Bangkok
You love mango like me!
My friend is traveling around Thailand and he tell me that he likes to buy some different trees when he comes back. Of course the trees will be small size and most of them mangos. How can be sure about the quality and the varieties of them if you say they sell anything? Is Chatuchak the best place for it?