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Any chance of collecting seeds from a Cafe or Restaurant that uses Avocados ??
They are widely used in Australia in those places. Not sure in your country.
Another possibility is Supermarkets that need to discard over ripe fruit .
You could also buy them in bulk and give them to friends, to get the seed back.
I do this here, but I am in a growing area so they only cost me $1 each off farm.

"Although south London is Zone8b-9, so it isnt even reaching its threshold in terms of cold hardiness"
Ok, but the tree is growing very well, not just sitting there having a hard time.
You are probably better off starting with seed of cold tolerant varieties, or at least keeping to commercial hybrids of Mexican Guatemalan, which are pretty common.

Cassowary, not sure I fully agree with the survival of the fittest for a breeding program in all cases, but I do know other people in FNQLD that grew Avocados from seed by throwing them hard out the kitchen window into the Jungle, and they got a lot to grow.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Trifoliate orange
« on: September 19, 2022, 12:02:12 AM »
Benton Citrange is quite passable, slight mandarin flavour, better than Troyer or Carizzo Citrange.
Thomasville Citrangequat is not too bad.
Swingle fruit are ok here, Pineapple scent with a bit of Trifoliata.
As I remember from Citrus Growers Forum, a member had a fruiting Swingle in Germany but found the fruit not so great in that climate.

The London video is great, don't miss the follow up with a few more trees and a fruit.
It would be interesting to find out what variety they are ?
Suspect seedlings, but could be grafted ?
Looks a bit like a Bacon type.
Also seem be fairly old trees, so not seed from recent varieties.
I think there are some other places in the UK with very mild climates ( coastal ) that can grow tougher subtropicals.

The question came from a member in Hungary, not sure where their Avocados would come from, maybe Israel, Spain etc ?
As for other parts of Europe, could be coming from USA, Mexico, South America, Australia ? You are probably right about the types available,  ( or Hybrids of  ) but might be a few more diverse types also ?

Most Avocados in the supermarket are from large groves of the same variety. Probably with another variety as pollinator ?
Seedlings will be variable but maybe not that much ?
Zutano seeds and Reed seeds from farms are used as rootstocks, seedlings from each var are close enough, slight variations not too great.
Other rootstock variety seeds are similar, yes variable but not enough be unusable variants.
From 50 Zutano seedlings, I got about 5 odd ones, different leaf shape, closer nodes etc.
My point is probably that there will be cold variance in seedlings, but they could also be mainly fairly similar ?
Agree, probably better to start with a Mexican origin type if possible.
Also be careful of multi factor selection.
You are looking for cold tolerance, but vigour and root disease resistance will also play a part in the survival of your seedling trees.
If you want to favour cold tolerance, you may need to protect seedlings from being killed by another factor.
i.e. the most cold tolerant may not be the most vigorous, or most disease resistant.
Any chance of collecting seeds from a Cafe or Restaurant that uses Avocados ??

From the video, he could be starting the seeds in bigger pots to get more root development
Bacon var is known for cold tolerance in Australia.

Also you will want to stump the tree and graft onto new growth  if you have a tree that is already growing well and you hang a 2nd type on it, the new type will most likely never catch up to the original tree.  That is assuming you want them to be equal halves.

That is reworking / Topworking.
Any methods to produce double grafted trees from the seedling nursery stage ? i.e. as per Citrus or Stonefruit or Apple multi grafts ?
Clonal Avocado rootstocks sort of travel this path, until the lower stock is sacrificed.
Lots of people have one garden tree and need a pollinator.
Also wondering if I grafted high on a seedling rootstock, or already grafted nursery tree, would both sections throw fruiting branches after planting out ?
One of the members on the Citrus General Discussion top works Citrus high up, to keep part of the original variety fruiting, add a new variety and save tree space.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Sources of ALA (Omega-3)
« on: September 16, 2022, 06:45:43 AM »
Purslane, there is a larger leaved type in some inland areas of Australia.

Taken from the Royal Botanic Gardens website; The tiny black seeds are one of the most important bush foods of inland Australia, containing up to 20 per cent protein and 16 per cent fat. Joseph Maiden (1889) reported that Aboriginal people ‘€˜pulled up the plants, throwing them in heaps, which after a few days they turn over and an abundant supply of seed is found to have fallen out’€™. The seed is processed by grinding it on a flat rock with a hand-held stone. The resulting flour is made into a damper. Low (1989) comments that the oil from the seeds stains the grinding stones. The leaves and stems are also edible. They can be pounded into a mush and eaten raw, cooked as a vegetable or added to salads.

Generally purslane is known to have abundant omega-3 oils in the leaves. It also contains vitamins A, B and C as well as calcium, magnesium, iron and potassium.

This was kind of discussed here.
To add to that, It has often been quoted that the Red Finger Lime is Citrus australasia var sanguine from Mt Tamborine, ( cool area )
however Red Finger Limes are found throughout the natural range of Finger Limes.
However these are still highly variable plants, some are from hotter areas and some from cool highlands.
Some selections might be affected differently by climate, i.e. flowering or fruit set.
The development of red pigmentation of some varieties seems to be climate affected.
It is possible that a particular selection of Red Fingerlime would perform poorly in some areas, but it is not a blanket rule for Red types as far as I know.
I think TFF member Mike from Cairns had Red Fingerlimes fruiting there, in the tropics.
As there are less Finger Lime selections available in USA, maybe see what happens, or grow it bigger to produce more flowers.
Not sure how different rootstocks might influence performance in hot climates ?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sweetest citrus for mild climate
« on: September 14, 2022, 05:19:55 PM »
You could find some NZ Citrus Nursery sites and see what they grow.
Also you might want to narrow down the areas in NZ for cool growing regions.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sweetest citrus for mild climate
« on: September 14, 2022, 02:13:51 AM »
I am wondering if New Zealand Citrus varieties might be suitable for your climate ?
Wheeny Grapefruit, Poorman Orange, NZ Lemonade.
Tahitian Pummelo is somewhat savoury flavoured, bit like mild grapefruit with a dash of lime. Nice but not overly sweet.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Ginger Lime seeds
« on: September 13, 2022, 05:26:05 PM »
What species is that ? I have heard of a few different  " Ginger Limes ".

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What To Do With Green Bananas?
« on: September 13, 2022, 05:13:33 PM »
Mofongo ??

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Ginger Lime seeds
« on: September 12, 2022, 04:34:16 PM »
Makrut is the Thai name for the plant.
Yes it is becoming more used, as the leaves and curry pastes are fairly well known, ie Thai Green Curry.
There are also numerous names from the other S E Asian countries and even ethnic cultures outside of Thailand.
Citrus hystrix is another replacement term, and K Lime is often used.
Mauritius Papeda is also another name for Citrus hysrtix.
Possibly that name links the plant to the historic migration of Indonesian Seafarers to settle Madagascar,
and the later forced movement of people from Madagascar to Mauritius by the Dutch East India Co in the 1600's.

Grapes being poisonous to dogs is a complete myth. If anything they'd choke to death on a seeded grape, barring that nobody has ever identified a toxic compound in grapes that is deadly to pooches.

I was wondering if the grapes they tested were treated with post harvest fungicides ?? That could be more of a problem for certain animals ?
Even I don't enjoy Imported grapes that much.
Farm dogs are eating fresh grapes and fresh dried raisins, not store bought fruit.
Still it doesn't seem to stack up to the level of warnings.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Anyone selling green tangerines?
« on: September 09, 2022, 09:09:32 PM »
Yes greening is a seperate disease.
Regreening is a process that happens when Oranges are held too long on the tree.
As you say Citrus in the tropics also often don't get to the bright orange peel stage.

Lane Late ( Navel Orange ) fruit are not as round as Washington navel and may exhibit a more oblong fruit shape in some seasons. Lane Late fruit have a smaller, more concealed navel than Washington navel. Early season rind colour is less intense than Washington navel and skin regreening of late held fruit may also be a problem. Rind is thinner and has a smoother texture than Washington navel.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extending fruit season in lime trees?
« on: September 09, 2022, 06:52:15 PM »
I guess you are talking about Tahiti Limes ? Or is that West Indian / Key Limes ??
There are different clones of both of these which might make a difference in flowering season.

Italian Lemon growers manipulate the trees growth to get multiple crops.
Not sure if this could be done with Limes. Obviously you need to induce flowering.
Stress can be used to induce flowering in Citrus, i.e. reduced irrigation. Cincturing might also help ?
Fertiliser applications may promote flowering. Different Citrus rootstocks may slightly extend the season.

You could check out Italian Feminello Lemon production techniques.
transcript below
Femminello forms a group of several lemon selections each with its own characteristics (see at the bottom). All Femminello lemons are vigorous, productive, ever-blooming and ever-bearing. Femminello is the most important lemon variety of Italy. Collectively they form about 75% of Italian lemon production.

Femminello is a medium sized tree with few or no thorns. In suitable conditions it flowers almost around the year. In Italy Femminello trees are regulated by irrigation and fertilization to produce six crops per year. The harvests and their fruit have different names:

Marzani blossom in February-March and mature the following January-March
Limoni invernali blossom in March-April and mature November-March
Bianchetti blossom in June-July and mature following April-June
Verdelli blossom in July and mature following July-September
Primofiore blossom first in March and mature in September-November
Bastardi blossom in autumn and mature in the autumn of the following year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 08, 2022, 08:41:09 PM »
David, things might be changing ?? I recently got some nice Avocado fruit from my local supermarket. They had a small produce sticker that said AHUACATE ( not Avocado ).
Not sure if they came down from up your way ?? Looked like a skinny Hass type, but not too unusual.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 08, 2022, 07:48:39 PM »
He lists it under Queensland Arrowroot (Canna indica ).  It's native to the Andes, though,so I'm not sure how it got that name.

Pretty sure it was grown for 'Arrowroot' flour in Queensland. Milk Arrowroot Biscuits.

"Originally from South America, it is known as Qld Arrowroot because it was once a major industry in Queensland for the production of starch and flour. Starting in 1870, by 1892 there were 300 acres under production in Coomera and Pimpana, and by 1908 the region supplied the whole country. The industry died out because the crop was not big enough to be mechanised and it was uneconomic to harvest by hand."
("enough to be mechanised and it was uneconomic to harvest by hand." means without the captured South Sea Islander and Kanaka labourers after that practice was banned)

Some say Arrowroot comes from an Andean word Araruta ??

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 08, 2022, 06:05:32 PM »
We harvested our first plant of Arracacha (Arracacia xanthorhiza )

Which type are you growing in Ravenshoe ? I have eaten it years ago. I think it was the light purple type. Delicious Coconut/Parsnip Flavour.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 07, 2022, 06:32:17 PM »
I wonder how well rollinia fits the bill as a staple food? I hear it's very filling.

I never found the desert Tropical fruits very filling.
Some other people probably didn't either, as they could eat quite a few at a sitting.
Exception is probably Pouteria campechiana, Canistel, Yellow Sapote, because of its dense texture.
Maybe Diospyros, Black Sapote too, not overly sweet.
Avocado yes because of its oil content. Durian is a yes.
( watery light flesh tropical Avocados not as filling as Hass type varieties )
Dabai, Canarium odontophyllum which is something like a cross of Avocado and olive was very filling.

Pine islander, thanks for the link for Capsicum chinense, Ají Dulce en el Huerto, I knew about Aji Dulce, but that's a new one.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Anyone selling green tangerines?
« on: September 07, 2022, 06:10:26 PM »
In warmer areas a lot of citrus stay green when fully ripe.

I see you are in Hawaii.
I have heard of this, also regreening of Citrus fruit.
Always thought it was mainly peel colour.
Does the fruit flavour also revert to less ripe ?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: The eremo- hybrids, which ones are worth it?
« on: September 07, 2022, 12:35:08 AM »
Here's a picture of my Eremolemon Coachella on poncirus.

So what is the other Citrus at your fingertips ?
Looks like my "Microcitrus warburgiana". Mine has dark red new growth tips.
It came from an Australian arboretum, probably first from the UC Riverside collection as seed.

I would be surprised if Botanic Gardens are not growing it. Kew Gardens in UK ??

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b (south florida) perennial staple foods
« on: September 06, 2022, 07:16:30 PM »
From Papua New Guinea
Pit Pit

Also Sweet Leaf plant

Heat free " Habanero" type Capsicum chinense varieties can be very productive. Anybody growing these ?
There was a large red one like a tropical capsicum. Called Choco maybe ??

To TheVeggieProfessor, thanks for this topic.

Same with Avocados and grapes. Supposed to be a No No for dogs. Around here Foxes eat both types fruit, and dried raisins.
Every farm dog I have seen usually eats all three, if the farm grows it. Most seem to live normal length lives.

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