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Coffee grounds are about 2% Nitrogen. Some organic fertilisers blends are about that, maybe up to 3% to 5%. Animal manures would be higher again.
I find the grounds a useful liquid fertiliser, also seems to have some soil wetting ability.
Don't overdo it when top dressing pot mix with coffee grounds, it can get clumpy.
Other thing I have noticed since using the coffee grounds,
All my plants are up at the crack of dawn !

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jabuticaba soil mixes used
« on: November 03, 2022, 04:42:26 PM »
The most important part of using peat based mixes, in my experience, is to not up pot the plant too early otherwise it'll get waterlogged.

Fully agree with that.
A container of pot mix without a plant loses water by drainage and evaporation.
Once planted, the plant pumps out water via transpiration.
As the plant grows bigger, it pumps out more water, so the media will dry out faster than with drainage and evaporation alone.
The way I see it, it is the size of the plant in the correct sized pot that as the issue, as much as the media.
Small plants often don't do well in big pots, as they can't pump out enough water to balance water logging.
This could vary seasonally, they might be ok in a hot period, but go backwards in winter.


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Are there any other tropical crops that are unhealthy to eat a lot of? 

Taro and Monstera deliciousa come to mind ( oxalic acid ). Not a problem if prepared properly.
Both Cashew and Mango fruit have irritating sap, many for fruit pickers.
Durian and Jackfruit directly kill a bunch of people ever year, heavy fruit falling on their heads.
Apples have cyanide in the seed, can cause problems if not removed before brewing Scrumpy Cider.

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So if I buy a 2 lb bunch of bananas at Costco, and eat 15 of those bunches in an entire year, I've at 30 lbs of bananas.  Am I misunderstanding what is going on?

From that point no, I probably eat 25 bunches of Bananas per year.
As you say it is not going to be hard to reach 30 lbs of Annona fruit per year, especially from your own trees.
On the other hand a San Pablo Red Custard Apple is not an Asimina paw paw.
Some people I know, fruitarian fanatics in Nth Qld, must be well over that amount of Annona fruit per year over the previous 20 years I have known them.
30 lbs could be a far lower amount than what some people actually eat ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Name and shame trouble-making birds!
« on: November 02, 2022, 05:49:48 PM »
All native wildlife in Australia is protected, (apart from fishing and duck shooting season, some Kangaroo hunting, Agricultural Pest Control Permits).
Not sure if Australian Aboriginal groups with traditional hunting rights still eat them.
I have to confess I know a French vegetable gardener and excellent cook who solved a garden destruction problem, by a gang of large Bush Turkey chicks, via the freezer and cook pot. I hear they were quite tasty.
There has been a population boom in Suburban Brisbane and Sydney.
They are not too bothered by the presence of people, and often inhabit parks and picnic areas etc. and backyards.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-26/scientist-cant-explain-brisbane-brush-turkey-explosion/5987606
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/grafton/brush-turkeys-invading-suburban-sydney-backyards/news-story/90b551e6f642527762b6f594d1ba0a3e

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Am I understanding correctly that they are saying the man ate 30lbs of paw paw fruit per year and that caused parkinsons?

Or you could say a man with Parkinsons ate 30lbs of paw paw fruit per year and that was possibly a factor, considering overseas studies  ?

In my mind the "Jurian" is still out on that, especially in a one off case, as above, of one elderly person.


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Some years ago I investigated Veganic Gardening. Soybean meal was suggested as a Nitrogen source.
My friend who lived near a timber sawmill in Australia often collected Acacia melanoxylon Blackwood sawdust for his garden, because of the N content.
Mulching garden beds with Lucern Hay instead of grain straw hay will add additional N.
Another way perennial legumes can add N to the soil is via leaf drop and empty seedpod drop.
Acacias in Australia often have a significant dropped mulch layer underneath the trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Name and shame trouble-making birds!
« on: November 01, 2022, 06:03:24 PM »
The Orange-Footed Scrubfowl is a smooth looking bird! My domestic chickens pretty much do the same type of damage.

Not sure that your chickens can move as much dirt as this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZBA0irVlRU

Another similar mound builder is the Bush Turkey / Brush Turkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-B2gcvFWyc
They can wreck a vegetable garden very quickly.

The Mallee Fowl is also related, from arid areas.
It doesn't invade gardens like the Bush Turkey, and is rarely seen.
Also it is endangered due to Habitat destruction and introduced Cat and Fox predation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCrw1rAqiDE

While looking for these videos to post, I found out about another species in Sulawesi, Maleo bird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOzpidKWEuI

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I think the studies do make some big leaps, from directly injecting/ingesting  rats with Annonacin toxin, to applying the same chemical to extracted neurons in a petri dish. Then connecting this to Annona fruit use.
In the study I looked at from Guadeloupe, the use of Annona fruit and teas was determined by a usage questionnaire to the patients as I remember.
Not sure how accurate that would be, people could easily exaggerate their use to explain their symptoms or downplay their use to avoid responsibility.
Certainly hard to gauge how much Annona people are using on a daily basis.
The presence of a disease cluster was a rate of disease different to the "normal" rate of disease incidence, sometimes in other populations or worldwide.
Otherwise it is known that some plants in the group have insecticidal properties. ( Annona Squamosa and Annona Muricata seed ).

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On an Australian forum, I saw someone was growing this Peach var in Cairns Nth Qld in the tropics.
That was in the lowlands too, not up on the cooler Tablelands from their location.
Tropic Beauty Peach
https://www.flemings.com.au/nurseries/tropicbeauty-peach.html

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It is reasonably common with Citrus for the scion to die but the rootstock to survive. This could be caused by a freeze but also other stress like drought or disease.
Sometimes the scion will die right back to the to the graft or bud and can recover if rootstock suckers are stopped from taking over.
Death beyond the graft is a loss of the scion variety. You could regraft the rootstock, but for rare scion varieties they may be hard to get again ?
It has been suggested that the graft union acts as a permanent cincture, and this is part of the reason grafted plants flower and fruit early.
( Apart from the maturity of the scion). As you say never 100% fully healed in that respect.
Plants also exhibit fungal dieback. A fungal infection causes progressive plant death down the stem to a lower point.
It is a strategy for the plant to escape the infection. Possibly a scion could be subject to this until the graft union is reached.
With Citrus I have often noticed that if suckers are allowed to grow well above the graft union, they can not only dominate due to vigour, but send the scion backwards and kill it eventually. ( Delayed rejection ? )
Overall I would say the closer related the rootstock and scion are related / the less incompatibility, then the more likely that both will behave similarly.
I certainly have some grafted Fingerlimes that have died back to below the rootstock and some seedling Fingerlimes that died back to the roots but resprouted, so I still have that variety.
Also I have quite a few interesting Citrus seedlings that I grew, where the original seedling was weak and now only survives as grafted plants that I propagated for insurance.
I think you would have to also consider the advantages and disadvantages of grafting to rootstock vs airlayers or even cuttings.
For rare plants you don't want to lose, or can't replace you may want a few versions as a back up plan.

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You reminded me of finding this fruit tree just off the beach, a bit North of Cairns Australia.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bloomsweet
« on: October 30, 2022, 05:37:29 PM »
In the USA it is used as a rootstock I hear ? Citrus obovoidea, KInkoji aka Bloomsweet Grapefruit.

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The Griffith Review article link opened for me without subscription ( in Australia ).
Here is a FB page for Eureka Blueberry, discussed in the article.
https://www.facebook.com/eurekablueberries/
I did notice some extra large blueberries in punnets at my local Coles Supermarket.
Will have to check if that is the fruit mentioned, as they said in the article.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID: AU Rainforest fruit
« on: October 29, 2022, 05:51:21 PM »
Still haven't figured it out. Will try with the rainforest rescue people in Daintree,

Let us know the result, I can't really place it either.

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In Australia we have Purple Congo and Walhalla, both full blue purple kidney types. I am also growing Purple Bliss which is a newer version of above.  Also growing in containers but the shoots seem a bit tall and leggy.


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I snagged some seeds off an unripe fruit today. Since everyone picks them they are hard to.get.

Some pics of fruit and seed would be great, looks interesting.

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I am growing these at the moment, New Zealand Kidney Potato. Blue Skin white flesh with a few purple streaks.
Might be good to grow from seed to get more tinted flesh ?
https://www.thelostseed.com.au/new-zealand-kidney-1kg-not-certified-eating-potato

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Why are our supermarket chains supporting the cartels?

In Australia supermarkets have been exposed as being complicit in farm worker exploitation, more so migrant farm workers, backpackers and those without work visas who exist in the cash economy. The prices and deadlines they set for farm produce drive the exploitation, based on low wages.
There are also organised crime links to aspects such as farm labour contractors, and the cash economy.

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It is interesting that the Annonas seem to have evolved chemicals that possibly act as insecticides against one group of creatures that would eat the fruit, but not at levels to deter the animals that it needs to eat its fruit and distribute its seeds.

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Hi fruitree
What can you tell us about traditional or historic Korean Citrus varieties ?
I believe there are a few long lived trees on Jeju Island.
Also some dating back from before new varieties were introduced more recently.
Any unique Korean varieties ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruit Forum Grower Database
« on: October 26, 2022, 06:10:33 PM »
I am going to need a tutorial on the Microsoft Power BI.

You could also add pests to your entry database.
That could be useful info for prospective growers.
May help with selection of resistant species or varieties for areas with known pest problems ie fruitfly.
Are regular preventative pesticide or fungicide treatments required to grow the tree in a Zone ?

On that note you could possibly go further down from species to variety / cultivar if known.
ie Avocados. People might be growing Avocados across many zones but the varieties could be very different,
Mexican or Guatemalan Race  in California, West Indian in Cairns Australia.
Even then the actual variety in the Race could be different again. ie Bacon in Melbourne Australia
Jackfruit varieties can be very different, crunchy, soft, citrus, bubblegum which would affect the taste rating ?
Similar to White Sapote Casimiroa, many varieties of fruit.

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Researchers from The University of Queensland have identified two desirable traits in macadamia trees
to make orchards more productive and profitable.

The first trait involves reducing the height of mature trees from an average of 15 metres down to around five, said Dr Alam.
The second trait reduces the time before new plantings produce nuts from five to three years.

https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2022/10/tree-traits-boost-macadamia-production

On a similar note
This nursery in Australia sells a Dwarf Macadamia. Reviews say the nuts are also fairly small.
https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/dwarf-macadamia-tree.htm

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There is a similar Parkinsons type syndrome in Guam and other Islands.
It was first linked to Cycad seed consumption, then Fruit Bat Consumption, then consumption of Fruit Bats that eat Cycad seeds.

Guadeloupe has a unique population, founded on imported slaves. There could be inherited factors in the Parkinsons syndrome, but as I remember from when this topic came up on another fruit forum, the studies didn't show family member inheritance.
They did seem to have low samples of patient numbers.

It would be interesting to note if the same type of Parkinsons syndrome appears in other Annona fruit eating countries.
They must also be heavily consumed elsewhere in South America, Caribbean etc.
Soursop drinks are pretty popular in SE Asia, Phillipines, etc. Canned versions are available at my local supermarket and Asian grocery.



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Subsequently, his wife disclosed that he had habitually consumed pawpaw fruit from their family-owned nursery


The Journal article doesn't seem to cover any other Family Risk Factors, ie Family History of Parkinsons
or for that matter other risk factors from work /lifestyle including chemical use in the plant nursery which could easily parallel the fruit consumption.

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