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I am sure one of the moderators can move this discussion. Dormex is highly toxic, by the way. I have read that many low chill cultivars will still produce acceptable yields with only half of their chill requirement--this does seem to hold true from what I have observed personally.

I have had some really good Hog Plum (Spondias purpurea). But you don't hear much about it. It had an awesome fruit punch type flavor. Cercropia was pretty good, too. Not mango good, but as good as mulberry which gets a lot more press on the forum. I also enjoy natal plum--fruits are hard to come by in Florida because of the sterile plants used for landscape, but the soft-ripe fruits remind me of cranberry/apple sauce.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 14, 2022, 09:51:02 PM »
Some longan have a flavor that is slightly earthy--like a radish with no bite. It think that is what Americans don't like. The good ones are more like lychee/sapodilla (or lychee/brown sugar).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 14, 2022, 03:24:08 PM »
Having eaten only home grown Logan and imported rambutan, I would say that Longan varies more in quality. The high quality longans (Sri Chompoo being my favorite) are better than the store bought rambutan, but the poor quality longans are
not even close to rambutan. The people who commented about how the flesh sticks to the rambutan seed are spot on.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rangpur limes?
« on: November 14, 2022, 02:01:45 PM »
We like making the rangpur lime into juice. I dont really have any complaints and the seediness doesnt make a big difference for juicing.

Never noticed a spicy flavor though, and I am balking at the idea of juicing all those tiny calamansi...

Calamondins have sweet peels. I used to juice them by seeding and throwing in the blender peel and all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Colder than normal winter in Florida 22/23?
« on: November 12, 2022, 02:22:17 PM »
I think part of the problem is that la nina/el nino are generalized weather predictions. A winter that is cooler overall, but has no major frost events may actually be better for fruit growing than a "generally warm" year that has a couple dips below 32. Actually, some of the worst freezes south Florida has experienced have been in dry years. I remember reading an account of one year in particular (around 1920) in which lake Okechobee had dried up all the way to Torey Island. It stayed dry long enough that people planted crops (mostly beans) in the lake bottom. I can't remember the exact number, but they had something like 20 frosts and freezes that year. I would prepare for a frost/freeze this year and then be thankful if it didn't happen.

Orange, Sugarcane, Caladium, Grapefruit, Cabbage, Watermelon, Leafy greens, Potato, Tangerine, Tangelo, Blueberry, Peach, Lemon, and Lychee are the main commercial crops in my county in Florida (roughly by acreage). Have you thought about Poha? It used to be quite common in Hawaii and is generally well received. Its just a lot of work to harvest.

On the nut side, I think hickory and probably hecans (hickory x pecan hybrids) are very under rated. The taste of hickory is excellent, the knock is getting them to crack out cleanly However, that might be solved with further hybridization with pecan.

Could you just stick a wire in the hole and kill them without "extracting" them or digging into the bark?

We need some of both. Its great to be able to learn about a new fruit, but if you can never acquire that fruit the knowledge is useless for the most part.

Are these fruiting right now?  I will have to go check the trails and see.  I have tried some before and sorta meh, if I remember right acidic and astringent.  Always chance I got at poor level of ripeness tho, gotta try again.

Your taste description sounds fairly typical to me. This is a little late for when I remember eating them before.

Are there any other tropical crops that are unhealthy to eat a lot of?  What about yuca, I eat a lot of that both from my yard & the cassava flour tortillas & pastas?

Because the protein is essential to the detoxification of cassava, most of the issues I remember happen only in diets that are extremely low in protein (or that involve improperly cooked cassava). Here's a good article I found:

According to the table on the first page of this discussion, paw paw has approximately 2,000 times the annonacin content of atemoya. Presuming this was indeed the causitive factor,  I would need to consume over 600,000 lbs of atemoya pulp in 10 years to get the same effect. Put another way, that is  167 pounds a day for 10 years. I think I'm safe.

Maybe stress from ian?My tropic peach has some flowers too......0 chill hrs

I see a lot of fall bloom with low chill stone fruit. I think having most of the leaves blown off by the hurricane triggered them to bloom some.

Jambolan--the things pop up everywhere. Wet soil or dry, it doesn't care. It seems like nothing kills them.

Thank you for the write up. It makes sense! Why would any plant pump nitrogen into the soil only to have the nearest competition use it for an advantage. It's like giving away money to all of your neighbors regardless if you like them or not.

I know this is mostly for nitrogen fixing trees but I'm thinking I could crush and use almost any seed to give plants a boost. I have a ton of oaks around so I'm thinking I might gather the acorns to crush and use on my trees. They don't have as much protein/nitrogen as a legume but I have a LOT of them.

That is a really interesting thought. I ran some calculations based on your idea, and this is what I found. Proteins are roughly 16% nitrogen. If you multiply the protein content of a thing by 16% you get an aproximate nitrogen content. Based on what I found on-line acorns are about 6% protein. This makes them slightly less than 1% nitrogen. If you were growing a crop that extracted 200lbs of nitrogen from the soil per acre (an orange grove for example), you would need to apply 10 tons of acorns to replace that. Or approximately 175 lbs of acorns per orange tree.

I just eat a few every now and then in the woods. The seed kernels make awesome mini torches, too. They have so much oil that they burn for several minutes once they are lit on fire.

Hello Galantians!!

Sorry for the late reply, I've been sick lately (got a bad cold nothing serious but I've been hammered).

Thanks for yall messages, that really puts everything back into place for me.

So if I understand correctly I could have a low chill peach variety that blooms early but whose fruit take longer to ripen hence making it a mid season peach !

And I could also have a low chill peach with an early season ripening fruit which would make it a extra early fruit (not sure how such a fruit would taste like given that early in the season it might not be sunny and warm enough to allow it to develop sugars but well)!!

Also I checked out the link and there are indeed some nice varieties in there. I can't believe there are some that only require 250 hours of chilling!

My friend actually mentionned Tropic Beauty and since you seem to say that it is worthy I might try and look for it. Would you know where I can get my hands on some scionwood?

That is good news. If he gets that much chill he should be able to grow Tropic Beauty and would not need to bother getting super low chill seeds from India or Sri Lanka. We do have a tree of Tropic Beauty, but I would not recommend getting budwood for any stone fruit or grape from Florida unless it is certified free of disease. Pierce's disease is endemic here and would likely contaminate any budwood that we have. Although it is most commonly thought of in connection with grapes, I have heard that it can also infect stonefruit or even Elderberries (which are a-symptomatic). The last thing your friend needs is to import an awful disease. No variety is worth that risk (just ask citrus and lychee growers in Florida about the diseases that have been imported here in the past 10-15 years). Maybe there is an agriculture department or university that could help you get the budwood safely?

I don't have a sub subscription to the magazine, so I couldn't read your article, but I did find several other sources. 16 gram blueberries are huge! We had a 9 gram berry once. It completely covered a quarter. 16 grams would be almost 50% bigger than that!

I should have said almost twice as big. Not 50%

I don't have a sub subscription to the magazine, so I couldn't read your article, but I did find several other sources. 16 gram blueberries are huge! We had a 9 gram berry once. It completely covered a quarter. 16 grams would be almost 50% bigger than that!

As I recall our Gefner blooms mostly in March/April and most of the fruit comes ripe in September/October.

Go buy LIQUID Bifenthrin and a pump sprayer. Apply it according to the label. I have had very poor success with the granules. The liquid always works.

Try Tunisian Zidi if you've got Nematodes issue.

You intrigued me. I had not realized that there was any significant variation in fig nematode resistance. Here in an abstract of an article that recommends zidi fig as a nematode resistant rootstock.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree flooded for 2 weeks
« on: October 25, 2022, 10:08:03 PM »
Mangoes handle water surprisigly well from what I have seen. I think you are in the clear at this point. Moving water is way different than stagnate water.

Are Meiwa and Fukushu kumquats affected by greening.  They are Fortunella not citrus.

Yes, they get greening. Last time I went to the Kumquat festival in Dade City the old groves there were pretty sad looking--nothing like I remembered them as a kid.

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