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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba - Wet Feet Myth?
« Last post by hammer524 on September 28, 2022, 06:58:31 PM »
Hey I just wanted to thank you Bush2Beach for your write up for airpots. After your post I decided to buy some for my jabos and what a huge improvement it has been. For the past couple of summers i always seemed to overwater my plants even my jabos. We had a few highs of 108, 109 here during September so I feel more confident in growing out jabos. Really shocking improvement. I also credit using the media mix of 2 parts Roots Organic Soil 707 formula and 1 part peatmoss. Even though the super-roots air pots are expensive I think it gives me the best shot at growing out these topicals in my environment.


I give my 15 gallon Vexators less water than any other Jabo, and that is what I have figured out keeps them alive for me , but also growing in the summer months and looking good.

Alot of the confusion in jabo tips and tricks comes from 9b Florida and 9b California being completely different but labeled the same.
One is humid, one generally arid. The low temperatures recovery in Florida is generally much faster.
The daily temperature swing is often much greater in California , it can swing 40-50 degree’s in 24 hours, that can be alot for some subtropicals and tropicals.
I love growing Jabo’s in Airpots because they dry out faster and grow faster.
If I was in FL that technique would not work.
Even inland CA in some of the hotter area’s the airpots dry out too fast and growers I talked to do not like them but for me the results are what they are and I like my Jabo’a to grow as swiftly as possible , pushing growth through as much of the year as I can.
Jabo’s have taught me alot .
I remember Adam Shafran talking about this in some of his videos. He said that jaboticabas like to be kept wet, especially when fruiting, and especially his Grimals. But, they cannot be kept wet indefinitely, or they will get root rot. I have never heard anyone recommending keeping them waterlogged continuously. The only jaboticaba that might be able to handle that is the blue jaboticaba; I believe there is a grower here on the forum who has some growing just fine next to a canal. Even that may be misleading, though, if those blue jabos are on the bank a few feet above the canal's water level, then the entire root system is not continuously waterlogged; it just has feeder roots going down to access water in the canal.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is eating my white sapote leaves?
« Last post by Gulfgardener on September 28, 2022, 06:57:59 PM »
If it makes you feel any better, the plants recover very quickly. It may seem like a lot of damage on a small plant but it's like they go into hyperdrive afterwards. If anything it encourages branching.
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Cattleyanum can get nice and big.

I had a MONSTER strawb guava this morning. I topped my tree and the fruit is obscenely big this year compared to last.

You headed down past Santa Barbara Elouicious? Drop on by if so.
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Great write up!

Can confirm on ugni not growing well on the gulf coast. I think its just too hot for them here.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Last post by Seanny on September 28, 2022, 05:37:47 PM »
Good luck.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is eating my white sapote leaves?
« Last post by sc4001992 on September 28, 2022, 05:28:14 PM »
I agree, swallow tail. Here's some photos of the big ones, they can be smaller.
Could also be grasshopper.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Breeding" cold hardy avocadoes from supermarket seeds?
« Last post by pagnr on September 28, 2022, 05:24:16 PM »
P. borbonia is not graft or cross compatible with avocad based on the research I have studied. Are the others?

The hardiest, P. borbonia, P. ichangensis and P. lingue, none are in the same sub group as Avocado.
Based on what you say, probably not.
Only Persea schiedeana, the Coyo is in the same group, along with Avocado sub species.
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As the hardiest Persea, survive temperatures down to about −12 °C (10.4 °F), I thought that was probably the limit you could ever hope for with Avocado.
That is probably outside the scope of conventional plant breeding, but maybe not the more recent methods of gene transfer (from the hardy species),
or artificial chimeras of two species ?

In Australia there is a move toward much smaller Avocado trees, for picking and management purposes.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Last post by Epicatt2 on September 28, 2022, 05:01:48 PM »
I see the eyewall now maybe touching Sanibel to Captiva strip of island....

Pine Island look to be next a few minutes away...

Keep your thoughts/prayers out for them today... & of course all others...

One of many tv radar sites:
https://www.wptv.com/live#vidJump

It's 4:45pm WED at this writing.  Here in Tampa we're currently getting lots of rain & gusting winds up to maybe 35 mph.  IAN made landfall just north of Fort Myers about an hour ago and that area is presently feeling the worst of the storm right now.

Just checked outside here at my house in Tampa and there's a lot of wind blowing from the northeast.  But so far my tropical saplings in pots are all still upright except for one that has blown over but I am not having any flooding in my yard.

We're being told on TV right now that the winds by this evening here in Tampa may gust to 80mph with occasional squalls.  We may lose power and up 'til now we have only had short power outages lasting less than a minute where I am.  The Tampa Bay area will continue to feel the storm's effects 'til Thurdsay afternoon or evening.

IAN is supposted to head slowly (±9mph) NE passing through Lakeland/winter Haven, then Orlando by about 8pm this evening degrading to a Tropical Storm, and continuing NE on to somewhere south of Jacksonville and then out into the Atlantic.

Hoping that everyone is hunkered down somewhere that's a safe place and that all your tropical fruit trees make it through with mnimal or no damage.

Hope this post makes it through because during the time I've been writing this there have been three short power outages that interrupted my wifi service.  Waiting now to get connected again.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaning papaya
« Last post by Galatians522 on September 28, 2022, 05:00:01 PM »
The papaya looks ok to me. At the moment all the trees in my yard a leaning...Thank you Mr. Ian. Lol!
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There are Avocado relatives in the broader Lauracea family in colder areas, most of these are still evergreens. Sassafras is said to be one that is deciduous.
In the Avocado genus Persea,  "none of the species are very tolerant of severe winter cold, with the hardiest, P. borbonia, P. ichangensis and P. lingue,
surviving temperatures down to about −12 °C (10.4 °F) "

P. borbonia is not graft or cross compatible with avocad based on the research I have studied. Are the others?
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