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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #900 on: January 31, 2024, 01:25:40 PM »




Somehow my boss neglected to mention to me he has a killer mango tree here in Goleta. What a beast! He just dropped off a mango with me today. He said he never waters it and doesn't spray.

Here's the fruit:



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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #901 on: January 31, 2024, 10:44:33 PM »
Super late season fruit and no red blush. I'm interested if it's any good.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #902 on: February 01, 2024, 10:05:11 AM »
Does any other variety get that late in SoCal? Impressive  :o

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« Reply #903 on: February 01, 2024, 03:02:24 PM »
Super late season fruit and no red blush. I'm interested if it's any good.

I'll report back! Apparently fibrous. He says I can take scion whenever.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #904 on: March 12, 2024, 01:51:58 AM »

I am new to growing mango .  I am in zone 10a. I have a 7 year old Keitt not sure  on what root stock. Got it in HD. The tree has small fruits. I mean small no more than a plum size for the last 3-4 years and they would split.   I would thin the fruit leaving 15 or so hoping they will grow to a normal size but they did not. The tree is about 9 feet .  I have just noticed black spots on panicles and a few on leaves.  Is it anthracnose? I have never sprayed it for fungal problems. Is that the reason for small fruit size?  Should I spray it ? Any other suggestions to get some fruit form this tree would be appreciated.




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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #905 on: March 12, 2024, 09:23:38 AM »
The fruit cracking can be caused by multiple reasons. In California, we often get cold weather which can lead to incomplete pollination. The resulting nubbin fruit often don’t have a fully formed seed and these thin seeded fruit crack at a significantly higher rate than fully pollinated fruit. You want pollination to occur during warmer weather. Often times, our trees will bloom multiple times throughout the year and at least one of the pollination events will occur during periods of warm weather.

The fruit cracking can also be caused by over watering and fertilizing at the wrong time of year. Try not to excessively water while your tree is holding fruit and avoid over fertilizing during heat waves. Fertilizers are pulled into the plant and changes the osmolarity of the fruit. If the osmolarity of the fruit becomes high due to fertilization and then the gardener waters heavily because of hot weather, the water will then be pulled into the fruit very quickly, causing the fruit to crack.

You can also try giving your tree some calcium in the form of gypsum. Frequent diluted feedings with kelp emulsion which contains auxins and cytokines can also increase Brix, fruit retention and size of your fruit. Yeast extract combined with kelp is also very good for mangos.

I’m not sure what the dark spots on your blooms are, I don’t like to give IDs without taxonomic identification using DNA but it doesn’t look bad. If you have fungal problems, it’s best to spray with Sulfur pre bloom and then again right before the blooms open. It’s also best to alternate what you spray. You can use an organic bio fungicide and then switch to organic copper and then back to Sulfur but your blooms don’t look like they need all that attention.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #906 on: March 12, 2024, 10:34:15 AM »
I would like to add that I think the California nubbins may also be caused by powdery mildew or/and other fungal pressures on the blooms.  This is due to my observation of NDM#4 which blooms for me 2-3 times at different seasons. My area has very high fungal pressures which I did not realize until I started adding more and more varieties.. NDM#4 will produce mostly nubbins for me even on summer or fall blooms if I don't spray during warm weather. Even leaves are highly powdery mildew prone almost year round if I do not spray.

Here's my channel if anyone is interesting in following my mango experiments in California.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxf2uM0NoUuW1ULUKU7yDaBX_0Eji96Ja&si=qVNIEMbfv8QCZ2h1

I am fairly new to most mango varieties as most varieties I have only been growing since 2022. However, i have grown a handful of varieties for over a couple of decades one which s NDM#4.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #907 on: March 18, 2024, 02:05:07 PM »
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Florida rootstock trees don’t perform well for most gardeners
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15673.0

So, why not just plant a mango tree that you buy from the local nursery like you would any other fruit tree? There are several reasons. Firstly, Mangos are marginal here in SoCal and although they can withstand the cold in some counties of Southern California, they cannot easily grow unprotected in many other counties of SoCal. Mango growth is heavily influenced by climate and wether new growth is vegetative(leaves and shoots) or floral is primarily dependent on temperature. This holds true for Mangos in SoCal but not necessarily in warmer climates where age of previous flushes can also be of major significance. Aside from age of flushes and temperature, nutrition can aid in flowering promoting bigger or more flowers and can even help inhibit fruit drop.

Please see this article for in depth information on Mango flowering:
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1677-04202007000400007&script=sci_arttext

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I have to chime in with your opinion that Florida rootstock tree may not do great in California. I learned this after killing all avocado trees from Florida and Puerto Rico.
I think because of the difference in humidity rather than temperature. If I have to buy any fruit tree from Florida I will buy it in the Winter so the tree will have a time to adjust (acclimate) to So. Cal humidity and temperature.



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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #908 on: June 21, 2024, 11:50:01 AM »
Hi all,
I’m planning to start a few mango seedlings as fun project to share with people and also for future grafting.  I also need one rootstock to add to my existing five year old Mallika mango tree (To double  the rootstock thanks to the suggestion from our fellow member @Nullzero).  I was planning to use Manila, Champagne or Ataulfo as root stocks. After seeing an old post (pls check below) from MangoProfessor, I got confused. He suggests kent & few other as better options than Manila.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7089.0

Could someone pour your thoughts on which route stock I should choose ex. Mono or Poly.  Manila, Kent etc.  As we live in Torrance , CA - 90504( close to beach),  I prefer getting a suitable rootstock for our cooler weather even though I’m trying to give the tree a bit more heat by adding rocks at the bottom & supplemental heat from the landscape lighting after late evening. 

Also, how can I find seeds / cuttings of different varieties like, Sweet Tart, Nam Doc Mail & more.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks in Advance!

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #909 on: June 21, 2024, 02:36:44 PM »
Edited to include link
Florida rootstock trees don’t perform well for most gardeners
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15673.0

So, why not just plant a mango tree that you buy from the local nursery like you would any other fruit tree? There are several reasons. Firstly, Mangos are marginal here in SoCal and although they can withstand the cold in some counties of Southern California, they cannot easily grow unprotected in many other counties of SoCal. Mango growth is heavily influenced by climate and wether new growth is vegetative(leaves and shoots) or floral is primarily dependent on temperature. This holds true for Mangos in SoCal but not necessarily in warmer climates where age of previous flushes can also be of major significance. Aside from age of flushes and temperature, nutrition can aid in flowering promoting bigger or more flowers and can even help inhibit fruit drop.

Please see this article for in depth information on Mango flowering:
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1677-04202007000400007&script=sci_arttext

Simon

I have to chime in with your opinion that Florida rootstock tree may not do great in California. I learned this after killing all avocado trees from Florida and Puerto Rico.
I think because of the difference in humidity rather than temperature. If I have to buy any fruit tree from Florida I will buy it in the Winter so the tree will have a time to adjust (acclimate) to So. Cal humidity and temperature.

Elijah, you will have to read through the entire thread to know the potential issues with the Florida rootstock trees. Not everyone has issues with the Florida Turpentine rootstock trees, the Florida Turpentine rootstock trees are actually great rootstocks unless they are sent to us from a nursery that is shipping us root bound or J rooted trees.

The main root cause of the issues is our climate, specifically the microclimates that have fewer heat units. When the average tempersture is below the temperature required for bloom induction, our trees will bloom which cause the branches to bend from the weight of the blooms and fruit.

The bending also causes mechanical stress that is exacerbated by the summer sunlight which can now burn the exposed branches (since they are bent). The bent branches can get micro tears that lets in Phomopsis and other organisms that can cause die back.

For areas with more heat units in Southern California, there is less of an issue because the blooming period is significantly shorter because the primary stimulus for bloom induction is the cold weather. For warmer areas, the vegetative growth period is longer and the trees can outgrow many of the potential issues.

In cooler areas like where I live, my trees are still in heavy blooms and I only get 2-3 months of actual vegetative growth.

The humidity will affect diseases but it is not the primary issue with rootstocks originating from Florida.

Seedling trees, including Turpentine rootstock trees are great for rootstocks because they are in their juvenile phase of growth where they lack the floral induction hormones that triggers flowering.

So in essence, it is the grafting with mature scions that is one of the true issues we have with our mango trees.

Planting as many different kinds of mango seedlings and finding one that grows vigorously in each persons particular yard is the best way to get a good rootstock going.


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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #910 on: June 22, 2024, 02:31:31 AM »
Just curious.  Might be totally out of topic.  From where did you guys get your mango tree in Socal? I got mine from Champa Nursery (El monte) in 2018.  Not sure whether it’s a good choice. 

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #911 on: June 22, 2024, 10:14:09 AM »
Champa has good plants.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #912 on: June 22, 2024, 11:24:11 AM »
I got a beautiful Ice Cream Mango here: https://utopiatrees.com/
Was going to drive up from south Sandy Eggo but shipping was cheaper. Well packed healthy tree.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #913 on: June 22, 2024, 12:42:15 PM »
Thank you K-Rimes and masOlas.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #914 on: June 22, 2024, 03:18:05 PM »
i am from San Diego originally and am now in Florida in the Mango tree industry and this a 2 cents you may want to evaluate. Chris Rollins told me about issues with mulching in winter, you guys are really dry in summer and need mulch to keep in water but in winter mulched trees get more cold damage due to mulch insulating them from the heat escaping the ground at night and the ground warming during the day. In FL non mulched trees fair better on cold nights than mulched trees.

Just started reading this thread & enjoying every bit of it.  Just a quick introduction.  We live in Torrance, California A little over a mile away from beach.  Our low’s Generally goes around 40 during peak  winter.  I have around six-year-old Mallika tree (Purchase as 5 gallon plant from Champa nursery in 2018).  I don’t see the tree growing that Vigorously.  I’ll try different options to find the root cause. the weed blocker I have around the tree might be a reason.  Planning to remove that slightly mulch it.  so are you suggesting to keep them mulch during summer and removing that during winter?

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #915 on: July 24, 2024, 08:29:43 PM »
Hey, All.

Is there anywhere in Socal that I can buy a Coconut Cream, Fruit Punch, or a Miyazaki mango to try? I don't want to spend $130 for essentially 2-3 mangoes from florida.

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« Reply #916 on: July 30, 2024, 12:30:18 PM »
Do any of you guys tip your trees out here or do you just let them grow on account of our shorter growing season.

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« Reply #917 on: July 30, 2024, 06:19:04 PM »
I don’t tip young trees. Remember that our climate is very different than that of Florida. Tipping increases growth points but also increases lateral branching which further exacerbates the issue of early blooms on our small mango trees.

For large, established trees, I do sometimes tip. Some vigorous varieties like Lemon Zest grow very long branches and tipping can bring down the length of the branches so the fruiting wood is t too high up.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #918 on: July 30, 2024, 06:22:05 PM »
Just curious.  Might be totally out of topic.  From where did you guys get your mango tree in Socal? I got mine from Champa Nursery (El monte) in 2018.  Not sure whether it’s a good choice.

I plant seedlings and top work when the trees are bigger or if I plant Polyembryonic varieties, no need to graft. You can order scions from Tropical Acres (when in season).

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #919 on: July 30, 2024, 08:53:03 PM »
Hey, All.

Is there anywhere in Socal that I can buy a Coconut Cream, Fruit Punch, or a Miyazaki mango to try? I don't want to spend $130 for essentially 2-3 mangoes from florida.

No.

But I can tell you to ignore Irwin, it's no good.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #920 on: July 31, 2024, 11:24:28 AM »
Is there anywhere in Socal that I can buy a Coconut Cream, Fruit Punch, or a Miyazaki mango to try? I don't want to spend $130 for essentially 2-3 mangoes from florida.

Utopia Trees in riverside has a nice selection.

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Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« Reply #921 on: September 11, 2024, 04:31:45 AM »
I got a mango tree from HD that I am planning to graft later . I would like to plant it in the ground. Is it a good time to do it now in September or should I wait until spring? Any suggestions to minimize transplant shock ?

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« Reply #922 on: September 11, 2024, 02:57:24 PM »
I got a mango tree from HD that I am planning to graft later . I would like to plant it in the ground. Is it a good time to do it now in September or should I wait until spring? Any suggestions to minimize transplant shock ?

September can still be ripping hot. I would wait till mid Oct.

 

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