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Hurricane Ian Prep
« on: September 26, 2022, 02:02:46 PM »
I know some might be avoiding the subject but it might be helpful to start a thread on current hurricane prep for your trees. It's been such a quiet year so far, I really thought we would get lucky and it would take a pass for this season.

Does anyone have any tips for the newcomers that might be in the cone?

What trees are most sensitive to saltwater inundation?
 
Are there ways to protect them?
 
How far back do you prune branches to protect from winds?

Just thought this might help someone. Yes they can search but there might be some new advice to give. My thoughts are with ya'll along the west coast of FL.

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2022, 02:47:52 PM »
 :( Stay safe, guys.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2022, 07:20:50 PM »
Stay safe all-

you can always replant a tree if you are alive

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2022, 07:41:22 PM »
Large oak trees need to be cut back and they'll stand. Otherwise they are top heavy and will fall over.

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2022, 09:11:05 PM »
Here are my recommendations.

1). Use common sense to observe your yard and house. If you wouldn't drive down the highway at 60, 80, 100 mph with the thing in the bed of your truck, strap it down or put it away. One thing people often forget about is that outdoor fans should be taken down.

2). Although I have never bothered with it myself, some very knowledgeable people recommend reducing tree canopies by about 1/3. That is usually enough to keep them from blowing over. Also remove any limbs that could touch your roof and any fruits that are close to ripe or that could become projectiles.

3). Remember that some damage is preventable and some is not. Pool cages and screen porches are among the most commonly damaged parts of the house that might have been prevented. Slashing or removing the screen is often enough to save the structure and replacing the screen is a lot cheaper than replacing the metal frame.

4). Taping your windows does basically nothing other than waste your time and tape. If you only have boards for a few windows, put them on the windows facing the prevailing winds (windy.com can show a prediction of what direction that will be).

5). Be careful after the storm. More people die each year from running generators in a closed garage or from falling off a roof than from the storm.

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Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2022, 08:27:34 AM »
hurricane prep
any tips for in the cone?
If unable to move your boat into safe harbor or out of the water/area,
Lower your Sails or change to a smaller sail size before your mast (limb) gets broken and your boat sink to the bottom (ground).

If in cone... Remove almost all leaves or cut back each leaf to 1/5 size. Could try staking poles & wrapping cords around limbs and poles, good luck, might help.

Newly grafted limbs are especially susceptible to breaking with new big leaves, so cut back to 1/5 size leaves on the graft.


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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2022, 09:25:49 AM »
This is a super weather page that links to everything weather related for hurricanes. We are expected to get some strong effects the expected landfall keeps shifting but for now looks to be somewhere just south of Tampa bay.
https://spaghettimodels.com/


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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2022, 09:31:40 AM »
Ian is going to dump a tremendous amount of rain. It is forecast to slow down, which could weaken the storm, but will stick around much longer and bring more water as a result. Just happens to coincide with king tides, which increase the chances of flooding already. Not looking good.

...already over 3 inches of rainfall here in South Miami-Dade (yesterday, last night, and this morning), and these are just the outer bands.
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Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2022, 10:38:27 AM »
Newly grafted limbs are especially susceptible to breaking with new big leaves, so cut back to 1/5 size leaves on the graft.



I think I'd almost take scions of rare / favorite varieties just in case. I know there are many more important things to worry about but if you are all prepped or getting ready to hit the road, it might be worth it.

Pineislander - I love this page too! So much information, it's turned me into a weather nerd. I run the models whenever I can.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2022, 03:36:27 AM »
The coming Hurricane made the news in Australia, thinking positive for all who may be in it's path.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2022, 06:36:30 AM »
Please be safe everyone out there. Please!

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Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2022, 09:28:38 AM »
All you guys in Pine Island and Ft Myers area - John, Jay, PineIslander, Pine Island Nursery, etc - Stay safe! See you on the other side!

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2022, 12:46:23 PM »
Prayers, especially for all our friends in South West Florida, especially Lee, Collier, Hendry, Charlotte and Pinellas County.  Those in Sanibel, Cape Coral, Bokeelia or Pine Island, please stay safe.  The surge and winds on this one are very nasty looking.



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Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2022, 12:48:50 PM »
All you guys in Pine Island and Ft Myers area - John, Jay, PineIslander, Pine Island Nursery, etc - Stay safe! See you on the other side!

I see the eyewall now maybe touching Sanibel to Captiva strip of island....

Pine Island look to be next a few minutes away...

Keep your thoughts/prayers out for them today... & of course all others...

One of many tv radar sites:
https://www.wptv.com/live#vidJump



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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2022, 05:01:48 PM »
I see the eyewall now maybe touching Sanibel to Captiva strip of island....

Pine Island look to be next a few minutes away...

Keep your thoughts/prayers out for them today... & of course all others...

One of many tv radar sites:
https://www.wptv.com/live#vidJump

It's 4:45pm WED at this writing.  Here in Tampa we're currently getting lots of rain & gusting winds up to maybe 35 mph.  IAN made landfall just north of Fort Myers about an hour ago and that area is presently feeling the worst of the storm right now.

Just checked outside here at my house in Tampa and there's a lot of wind blowing from the northeast.  But so far my tropical saplings in pots are all still upright except for one that has blown over but I am not having any flooding in my yard.

We're being told on TV right now that the winds by this evening here in Tampa may gust to 80mph with occasional squalls.  We may lose power and up 'til now we have only had short power outages lasting less than a minute where I am.  The Tampa Bay area will continue to feel the storm's effects 'til Thurdsay afternoon or evening.

IAN is supposted to head slowly (±9mph) NE passing through Lakeland/winter Haven, then Orlando by about 8pm this evening degrading to a Tropical Storm, and continuing NE on to somewhere near Daytona Beach and then out into the Atlantic.  [< Updated at 1:20am Thurs]

Hoping that everyone is hunkered down somewhere that's a safe place and that all your tropical fruit trees make it through with mnimal or no damage.

Hope this post makes it through because during the time I've been writing this there have been three short power outages that interrupted my wifi service.  Waiting now to get connected again.

Fingers X-ed!

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2022, 05:37:47 PM »
Good luck.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2022, 08:42:33 PM »
Had many Earthquakes experience, never a Hurricane. Looking scary just from pictures and videos. Feeling concern to all you Floridians, may you stay save, and your plants too!
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2022, 09:43:26 PM »
Pick the final orange sherbet hanging on the tree was hoping it would last until October for bragging purposes but didn't feel it would make it through the night
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2022, 09:17:12 AM »
Stay safe all !

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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2022, 06:10:17 PM »
Has anyone heard from John Painter of Jay Reynolds or any of our other Pine Island growers? Did they all make it out safe? I'm seeing some terrifying footage of Pine Island and Matlacha and I just hope none of them were trying to ride out the storm on the island.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2022, 08:52:15 PM »
The road/bridge to the island is gone. Only access is by boat. No way for emergency vehicles to gain access as of today. Absolutely terrible. The few people I know that stayed and had large mango trees said they are no more. 150+ mph winds. Unsure about any forum members

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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2022, 12:09:33 AM »
The road/bridge to the island is gone. Only access is by boat. No way for emergency vehicles to gain access as of today. Absolutely terrible. The few people I know that stayed and had large mango trees said they are no more. 150+ mph winds. Unsure about any forum members

That is the dang saddest thing.  I wish them the best, hopefully the folks out that way are safe and sound and secondly hopefully more trees will survive than expected.  If nothing more, maybe at least it will offer some opportunities to plant anew. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2022, 12:16:37 AM »
Wow. Feel very fortunate that I haven't had to go through any of the storms you Floridians have. Can't imagine seeing that sort of catastrophe where I live.

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2022, 05:49:54 AM »
Has anyone heard from John Painter of Jay Reynolds or any of our other Pine Island growers? Did they all make it out safe? I'm seeing some terrifying footage of Pine Island and Matlacha and I just hope none of them were trying to ride out the storm on the island.

I got a message back from Jay Reynolds on 9/29 around noon time.  He let me know about the situation with the bridge and roads there.  He and family are ok and their house is ok.  Many trees down and a lot of cleanup ahead.  He said many power poles just snapped off as well in his area.

I wish I were younger and closer so I could try to help out.  My age is really showing however as I did something to my back yesterday trying to get one of my trees back up that were knocked down here in Lakeland.  At least here we can get around and stores are already opening and supplies available.

I hope that FEMA and others with the ability are working out the logistics to get the Pine Island people that stayed the supplies and help that I am sure they desperately need, including any medical related assistance and supplies that might be necessary!

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2022, 06:56:14 AM »
Here is a link to a FB post by Hans Meister that includes a video by him traveling down Stringfellow Road.  It might help some of you recognize the extent of the damage on Pine Island.

All the best to Hans for posting this video and for the safety and recovery for everyone hit by this hurricane.

https://www.facebook.com/RancherHans


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Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2022, 09:10:43 PM »
Holy smokes. Think the fruit trees on pine island will survive the salt water? Fruit Scapes is (was?) one of my favorite nurseries.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2022, 10:01:26 PM »


I talked to Berto this morning. They took some damage but him and family are safe!

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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2022, 02:47:14 PM »
Anyone here in contact with Dom (TheDom)? He hasn't posted on here for a while. Not sure how to check to make sure if he and his family are okay.

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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2022, 02:52:22 PM »
How about Aaron (Nofo Groves)?

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2022, 09:38:08 PM »
I hope everyone affected by the hurricane is safe. The pine island area really got hit hard…


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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2022, 10:37:18 PM »
Hoping everyone affected is OK and safe.

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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2022, 12:07:56 AM »
I don't think Florida has ever seen a hurricane with storm surge and flooding like this one.  Photos and video footage are showing incomprehensible damage and devastation.  Death toll keeps mounting.  Years of recovery for hardest hit areas.  Even though it's not like a third of the state was affected, like a third of Pakistan being underwater from monsoon flooding, still... :( :( :( (Heartbreaking)
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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2022, 10:15:21 AM »
This storm was very slow moving and kept dumping tons of water for hours before it left any area. Ever in Orlando we see streets flooded that never happened before with any other storms.
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« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2022, 08:49:14 PM »
The Coast Guard and private  boats were taking people off Pine Island today(Sunday).  Look like FEMA trailers may be their new homes.

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Ft Myers Newspaper    https://www.news-press.com/

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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2022, 10:04:50 PM »
Here is a link to the NOAA map of the major damage. You can zoom in to the street level.
Pine Island, Matlacha and everything in the area took major damage, and of course fatalities.

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/ian/index.html#9/26.4200/-81.9700

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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2022, 09:37:49 AM »
All my trees got knocked down pretty hard by 100+ mph winds. My 4 banana trees got completely destroyed.
As much as I hate losing the many of the trees, Iam gave me a chance to redesign my back yard.

Pic shows one of the damages.

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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2022, 10:11:42 AM »
The news says that a temporary bridge to Pine Island will be built right away.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2022, 02:42:39 PM »
The wife and I are okay. Ive road out several hurricanes but that one was by far the worst. Ive talked to Mike he is okay and have heard Jay Reynolds and the guys from fruitscapes are okay. Ive had some people calling and asking if the damage they are showing on the news is blown out of proportion and the answer is no.  The damage to the island is catastrophic people are unable to get on and off except by boat or helicopter we have a friend staying with us now who was on Sanibel Island the water came up to the second story of their house.

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2022, 05:11:15 PM »
The wife and I are okay. Ive road out several hurricanes but that one was by far the worst. Ive talked to Mike he is okay and have heard Jay Reynolds and the guys from fruitscapes are okay. Ive had some people calling and asking if the damage they are showing on the news is blown out of proportion and the answer is no.  The damage to the island is catastrophic people are unable to get on and off except by boat or helicopter we have a friend staying with us now who was on Sanibel Island the water came up to the second story of their house.

Glad you and your wife are OK Aaron.

Hurricane Charley's eye passed about 4 miles from my house down in Charlotte County in 2004. I will agree that the photos and videos shown on the news don't even come close to showing what happened. Or how badly people are affected. It's sad, it's depressing, it leaves many people hopeless and distraught. And it's something that will forever be burned into the minds of anyone who experienced it. God bless you and all of the good people affected by Ian.

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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2022, 05:39:46 PM »
i thought the storm had passed over us, realizing it was just the eye when the rain and wind picked up again was a chilling moment.

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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2022, 07:12:12 AM »
i thought the storm had passed over us, realizing it was just the eye when the rain and wind picked up again was a chilling moment.

I remember when Charley, Frances and Jeanne all impacted me when I was living in Valrico, FL.  I don't remember which one it was that took out the water line, some roof shingles, and bottom walls of our stilt home, but I do remember going out while the eye was over our house to the street with a couple of wrenches to turn off the county water line.  We lived on a lake and the access to it was about a foot underwater and I kept feeling around for the water meter and shutoff valve, hoping not to encounter a water moccasin or something worse.  Then the eye passed and I wondered why I even moved to Florida.  I felt very fortunate our damage was so limited compared to others.

Now, years later, perhaps in part because I am old and worry a lot more, I was almost in panic mode seeing Ian change course and heading towards Lakeland where we currently live.  To me, part of the scariest effects hit while the hurricane is over and we are in total darkness without power. 

We were fortunate that our damage here was limited to flattening several trees and a lot of cleanup from downed oak tree limbs.

I am too old to move again but am upgrading what I can afford to against hurricanes.

All the best to those who suffered the wrath of Ian and stay safe and patient during the rebuilding process.

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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2022, 11:49:43 AM »
Glad to hear some of TFF people are safe my heart goes out to all you who were affected by this strong hurricane, hope you all are safe and alive :'(

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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2022, 05:41:53 PM »
Although the hardest hit areas like Fort Myers Beach were totally flooded and reduced to piles of rubble and debris, this video gives you an idea of the impact on even the wealthiest enclaves of Naples.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf5nlcv2YZU
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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2022, 08:05:47 PM »
Stake the tree the best you can if they are newly planted. I used some aluminum 3/8 solid square bar I had excess of that worked on my thin 4-5' ox and makok sapodilla trees I got from fruitscapes 3 months ago. The makok snapped its tip off when the bamboo rotted on an average storm before Ian. The bar works well also to form stakes so you can straighten all the flopped over trees you didn't have long enough pieces to support the top of the tree. Used paracord looped through some 1/2 poly mainline about 8" to go around the trunk.  The aluminum Dragon fruit post didn't flinch through the storm, just did some pruning on them.

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2022, 01:27:32 PM »
Downtown Fort Myers and marina.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wpVcbtbT7o
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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2022, 07:11:09 PM »
Military put in a "temporary" bridge which is open to traffic Wednesday PM (10/5). They are getting food and water into the island.  Electricity will take longer.  No word on when they will let civilians in to help with clean up.  The state is talking about bringing in barges to clear debris off Pine Island.

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2022, 06:39:50 AM »
Military put in a "temporary" bridge which is open to traffic Wednesday PM (10/5). They are getting food and water into the island.  Electricity will take longer.  No word on when they will let civilians in to help with clean up.  The state is talking about bringing in barges to clear debris off Pine Island.

My understanding is that barges and boat traffic is challenging anywhere near the island as there is so much debris both above and below the water line.  Just clearing that out is going to be difficult around the entire area as a lot of the debris is simply too heavy and cumbersome to lift and remove by hand. 

I also wonder how even planting new trees will be affected in areas where salt water sat from the storm surge that worked its way into the ground.  I would think it would at least take a period of rain to dilute the salts out of the ground, not to mention what all that salt water will do to the trees and vegetation that were just sitting in it.  Hopefully the groves did not get flooded or that flooding was minimal.

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« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2022, 01:04:16 AM »
 Was able to text Jabba on Tuesday, he and his wife are ok. Like most of us in the area, phone and internet are very poor or non-existent. We got power back in my neighborhood a couple days ago and internet a few hours ago. The damage this evil storm caused is astronomical, I am very surprised the number of casualties is not much higher.

 

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