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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: edzone9 on June 02, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
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Was curious on the top 5 heavy mango producing trees, That produce great tasting fruit, from what i read here so far is as follows.
Pickering
Fairchild
Cogshall
Gold Nugget
Juile?
Thanks Ed
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I'll take a shot at this.
Duncan
Sunrise
Florigon (on the reliable list)
Glenn
I'm sure there are more buy that's what I can think of now
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Keitt seems to be a heavy producer for such a scraggly tree.
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These probably should be considered. Right now all of the Valencia Pride's I've seen around town are loaded.
Glenn
Irwin
VP
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I would second John's mention of Keitt as typically producing a big crop.
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Lemon Zest
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Was curious on the top 5 heavy mango producing trees, That produce great tasting fruit, from what i read here so far is as follows.
Pickering
Fairchild
Cogshall
Gold Nugget
Juile?
Thanks Ed
Julie? Definitely not in FL.
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Diplomatioco produces an insane amount for me but after that I am going with:
Lemon Zest
Juliette
My Juicy Peach, although this is the first fruiting season, is laden with fruit
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thanks guys!
Ed
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In the ideal climate of around 1000mm to 1800mm per year with a dry calm winter and spring at 20 to 25 latitude or elevated closer to the equator lots of varieties can be crazy laden. Green stringy or wild mangoes here have massive crops and even the enigmatic KP has a monster crop ever 3rd year or so.Ok rung. sam ru du over the full year and all 3 crops, keitt, brooks, calypso, hayden,pearl,honey gold and a few Indian cultivars would be contenders. Unamed small fruiting, ferals with elongated yellow fruit often seem to be very heavy producers here.
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Thanks Mike live Haden! Never tasted KP Mangoes.
Ed
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You can create haden from KP with just a few drops of turpentine on the ripe flesh.
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HAHAHAh
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Tommy Atkins?
Isn't heavy crop the whole point of tommy atkins production?
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I would remove Julie and Cogshall from your list. Productivity of cogshall is medium. Julie can be extremely unproductive if not given adequate nutrition and not consistently sprayed for fungus.
Normally, heavy production and excellent flavor are mutually exclusive. The analogy is trying to find a spouse who's both a super model and acquiescent / humble.
The best you'll get is heavy production with "good" flavor (vs "great").
Glenn is perhaps the most consistently productive tree in my lineup.
Keitt is normally extremely productive (mine is the exception -- I have to treat for anthracnose to keep it productive).
Duncan might fit here. Mine is still young though
Okrung, though you may wait 7 years before the first crop
Pickering
If you're looking for "great" flavor plus "good" production:
Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Mahachanok
Maybe sweet tart. Waiting to see how mine performs over the long run.
Angie probably fits in one of the above 2 lists.
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Thanks Jeff!
Im planting 25 gal trees at my new place so trying to plant the most productive and great tasting. Only 4 spots for Mango trees.
Thanks Ed
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My J12/super Julie/Fairchild Ruby has been very productive thus far.
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Honey kiss will fruit so much it will kill it's self! And a great fruit to boot!
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agree. My little 6 footer has about 20 mangoes hanging on it. Initially the fruit set looked poor when they were bb-sized, but it held onto most of them.
My J12/super Julie/Fairchild Ruby has been very productive thus far.
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ok so looks like its going to be
Honey Kiss
Sweet Tart
Pickering
Lemon zest all 25 Gal!
Thanks fellas!
Ed
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agree. My little 6 footer has about 20 mangoes hanging on it. Initially the fruit set looked poor when they were bb-sized, but it held onto most of them.
My J12/super Julie/Fairchild Ruby has been very productive thus far.
I've also been impressed by the fruit retention after disappointing fruit set on my J-12. The eating quality is tremendous.
I think this is a trait it inherited from Julie, which tends to retain fruit well.
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Lemon Zest first
then Valencia Pride
out here in the desert
Gary
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My Edgar (topworked from a mature Graham) had excellent fruit set and retention on one-third of the tree, now has glorious clusters of fruit. :D Of course, I know better than to count my mangos before they are ready to eat. The rest of the canopy is flushing vegetative growth. But it's too soon for me to know how it will do from one year to the next.
My Lemon Zest had poor fruit set and retention this year. But prior two years were good, so I'm in a forgiving mood.
Beverly has an excellent crop in store.
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Another one to add to this list is Kesar. It sets fruits in clusters and retains most of them. The only problem is that you need to thin the fruits so that the fruit gets big. The fruits I got last year were outstanding . This year, the mangoes are smaller, but I have more than 100 on the tree, without any spraying.
My Edgar, topworked last year on a Glenn, is holding on to 5 fruits on two branches. On the other hand, my Angie, which flowered sparsely this year, has no fruit on it. My Mahachanok and Sweet Tart , which are both over seven feet in height and look really healthy, did not even flower.
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Here on the farm my top 5 producers (not necessarily in order of importance) are:
1. Ragweed
2. Johnson grass
3. Nightshade
4. Bull nettle
....and last but not least....
5. Russian thistle tied with sand burs
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Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)
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Nah, it might actually be fewer than 4 years for you, since you have more cold which tends to be a precocity inducer. The guys in california get fruit within a year or two. The tree is a vigorous grower, but it won't flower until it's either mature enough or stressed.
Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)
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xsm
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I have two lemon zest trees and both produced fruit in two years in the ground, 6 on one and 15 - 20 on the other, during 2015. This year the counts are higher but a late bloom and rainy weather took a toll.
Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)
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Lucky. Two of mine (on the mulched lot) started bearing at exactly 4 years in ground from 3 gal. My third, on the sandy lot and in ground for almost 2 years, still hasn't borne a fruit. I know sheehan's tree was also an early bearer; zands also had an early bearer. But many will camp out for a few years before producing.
The nice thing is that first crop is between 40 and 80 mangoes. The one LZ planted in 2012 and in its first year of production has 40 mangoes and the other one that was planted in 2011 and which began to bear last year has somewhere around 90 -- which is good considering that each mango generally weighs over a pound.
The most annoying tree for me was the Okrung, which took 5 years in ground to bear from a large 7 gallon tree. TnRobbie reported similar reports.
I have two lemon zest trees and both produced fruit in two years in the ground, 6 on one and 15 - 20 on the other, during 2015. This year the counts are higher but a late bloom and rainy weather took a toll.
Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)
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My lemon zest has fruit for the first time. 2 years in ground from 3 gallon. About 10 fruit hanging on.
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My experience has been that trunk girth, vigor, drives production. My avocado grafts have to have trunks of about 2" or more before they fruit. Speaking of which I was pruning my Reed, got goofy and snipped off this branch with 2 little babes from this year's fruit.
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The nice thing is that first crop is between 40 and 80 mangoes.
Curious, what do you home gardeners do with so much fruit? 80 lbs. off ONE tree? :o You sell, correct? Also, how much property are you growing on?
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Despite having several mature trees, I've never really had enough fruit at one time to think about selling it.
I share with friends, former coworkers, and also ship mangos to relatives and old neighbors in the north country.
Also sometimes trade for varieties I don't have.
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J12 this morning
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I would remove Julie and Cogshall from your list. Productivity of cogshall is medium. Julie can be extremely unproductive if not given adequate nutrition and not consistently sprayed for fungus.
This is why I have been grafing my Julie seedling. It has never been sprayed, and produces so much fruit (to the point I worry the tree will break) without any extraordinary care.
Jeff, you need to swing by and get a look at my "Juicy Lucy"
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If we're talking lemon zest, they will all be devoured by mr and mrs cookie monster :-). I can generally plow through 5 to 7 mangoes in a day. Whatever is left over, my wife sells. We're on just over 1/2 acre with a smallish house, a tiny front yard, and no swimming pool, so the bulk of the land is growable :-).
The nice thing is that first crop is between 40 and 80 mangoes.
Curious, what do you home gardeners do with so much fruit? 80 lbs. off ONE tree? :o You sell, correct? Also, how much property are you growing on?
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I've seen a number of julie seedlings that are very productive. The j-12 is one example. But, a julie clone (one that tastes identical to the parent) and which is productive and disease free would be extremely popular.
I would remove Julie and Cogshall from your list. Productivity of cogshall is medium. Julie can be extremely unproductive if not given adequate nutrition and not consistently sprayed for fungus.
This is why I have been grafing my Julie seedling. It has never been sprayed, and produces so much fruit (to the point I worry the tree will break) without any extraordinary care.
Jeff, you need to swing by and get a look at my "Juicy Lucy"
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Nah, it might actually be fewer than 4 years for you, since you have more cold which tends to be a precocity inducer. The guys in california get fruit within a year or two. The tree is a vigorous grower, but it won't flower until it's either mature enough or stressed.
Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).
Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)
I agree with Cookiemonster, I have two Lemon Zest trees on florida Turpentine rootstock that are starting their second year in the ground and one tree held several nubbin fruit the first year and the second tree is holding lots of thumb sized fruit this year. The canopy is only about three feet wide and I go by the Japanese method of allowing approx 60-80 leaves for each fruit to reach optimal flavor and sweetness so I'm only going to allow my tree to hold 2 fruit. This tree is planted very close to my house so I purposefully want to stunt its growth by allowing it to hold fruit.
But anyways, Mark, I think with your knowledge of plant growing and your relatively cool winters, you may get fruit within two year if you allow it. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised with the super awesome flavor of the Lemon Zest, it's absolutely incredible, one of my all time favorite mango varieties.
Here's a few shots of my young Lemon Zest, I'm sure more of the fruit will drop but if it doesn't soon, I will thin it down to a couple fruit. Here's in California and I assume other areas that are cooler, even some of the low producing mangos can be very highly productive like Eunices Edward tree that produces hundred of fruit.
Simon
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How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
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How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
Its very good, was productive in 2015. They seem to be down this year.
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How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
On both occasions when I tasted Sunrise at the F&S park it was very good but not as good as Edward or Mallika. I am not sure about its productivity.
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How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
On both occasions when I tasted Sunrise at the F&S park it was very good but not as good as Edward or Mallika. I am not sure about its productivity.
You're likely thinking of the Merrit Island Sunset, which the Fruit & Spice Park has a tree of, rather than Sunrise which is a new Zill-mango.
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I really liked the sunrise. It has a bit of a carrie flavor, which I really like. Mine was productive back in 2014, but both of my trees have been taking a break to get established.
Given that you only have 4 spots, I don't know if sunrise would make the cut.
Hopefully you have spots for more species other than just mango. Mangoes are great, but the season is short.
How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
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Jeff i will be taking my puertorican Avila avocado tree and my Poncho Avocado as well.
Thanks for your help !
Ed
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How do you guys rate Sunrise mango still have a chance to dig it up!
Ed
On both occasions when I tasted Sunrise at the F&S park it was very good but not as good as Edward or Mallika. I am not sure about its productivity.
You're likely thinking of the Merritt Island Sunset, which the Fruit & Spice Park has a tree of, rather than Sunrise which is a new Zill-mango.
Correct. Thanks.
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I agree with Cookiemonster, I have two Lemon Zest trees on florida Turpentine rootstock that are starting their second year in the ground and one tree held several nubbin fruit the first year and the second tree is holding lots of thumb sized fruit this year. The canopy is only about three feet wide and I go by the Japanese method of allowing approx 60-80 leaves for each fruit to reach optimal flavor and sweetness so I'm only going to allow my tree to hold 2 fruit. This tree is planted very close to my house so I purposefully want to stunt its growth by allowing it to hold fruit.
Interesting, 80 leaves per fruit sounds like overkill but if that gets you the best fruit so be it. It is all about canopy to fruit balance for example regarding vineyard management the rule of thumb is 15 leaves is required to mature one cluster of grapes.
But anyways, Mark, I think with your knowledge of plant growing and your relatively cool winters, you may get fruit within two year if you allow it. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised with the super awesome flavor of the Lemon Zest, it's absolutely incredible, one of my all time favorite mango varieties.
I let lows get to 34F. Surprised cold weather plays a part!
Am excited. Recently chopped a new Plantagram LZ down to just above the first node and am establishing a 4 main scaffold branch profile like you would a peach or apple tree but more upright than vase like. Was nothing but a bare stick 6 weeks ago, is now holding a fine little canopy. What surprises me is the size of the leaves. :o I have quite a few that are a foot or better in length and about 3" wide! Have heard it is the best, am excited. BTW, gave Ed Self about 15 sticks, he grafted some and shared the rest with Texas growers at one of the Austin scion exchange groups so it's getting a foot hold with Texas growers.
Here's a few shots of my young Lemon Zest, I'm sure more of the fruit will drop but if it doesn't soon, I will thin it down to a couple fruit. Here's in California and I assume other areas that are cooler, even some of the low producing mangos can be very highly productive like Eunices Edward tree that produces hundred of fruit.
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Incredible!
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I believe the Japanese use about 40-60 leaves but I'm accounting for the fact they grow theirs in a greenhouse. I also upped the number of leaves in the hopes my tree will get a vegetative flush as well. I'm glad Lemon Zest is spreading around, I hope Sweet Tart makes its way around as well.
Simon
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Am excited. Recently chopped a new Plantagram LZ down to just above the first node and am establishing a 4 main scaffold branch profile like you would a peach or apple tree but more upright than vase like. Was nothing but a bare stick 6 weeks ago, is now holding a fine little canopy. What surprises me is the size of the leaves. :o I have quite a few that are a foot or better in length and about 3" wide! Have heard it is the best, am excited. BTW, gave Ed Self about 15 sticks, he grafted some and shared the rest with Texas growers at one of the Austin scion exchange groups so it's getting a foot hold with Texas growers.
Can you post the pics of the pugged trunk andthe canopy now? thanks