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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Monstera vs philodendron id
« on: May 12, 2021, 07:36:44 AM »
That sounds correct for deliciosa the plant is in adolescent stage whn leaves get ~30 cm will become perforated.

This one catches the fruit too.

There are some which telescope plus can grip the stem and cut above the fruit so it doesn't fall..we had a thread on here last year about tools if you search for it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha question
« on: May 10, 2021, 06:58:47 PM »
Julie here is a video showing the large size that Achachairu can get in Florida. I planted 20 seedlings but put them on 25 x25 ft spacing after seeing what they can do. In between each Achacha I put soursop trees to make use of the space for 7-10 years then between each of those put in short duration papaya trees. I also planted other things between the rows to make efficient use of that space too. She goes through tasting the fruit then out to see the trees. If you see the trees at PIN take some pics and description.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Monstera vs philodendron id
« on: May 09, 2021, 08:03:37 AM »
Those are definitely monstera. If you want a definite id as Deliciosa, you can look at the geniculum of a mature leaf. It should have a ruffled ridge on both sides.
thanks, I am not focused directly on deliciosa thought, I just want the plant to be from the fruiting kind, sounds like there are other edible monsteras, not only deliciosa ??
Sorry for the stupid questions, so the plants pictured are the fruiting kind, no matter if deliciosa ??
Thanks !!
There are several varieties of monstera but you want the deliciosa for fruit. It is the most common and produces the fruit. I expect the variegated deliciosa will make fruit equal to the green type but am not sure. I have planted hundreds because they are easy to propagate and do well under fruit trees offering a chance for fruit in a space that few fruits can grow. It may take several years especially in your climate to get a plant up to fruiting size. For me, most take 2-3 years. It seems that they have an adolescent period where leaves have no holes, then they develop holes, then increase in size. The stem diameter of a mature plant will get about 5 cm when well grown and leaves will be 60 cm or larger. Some plants will flower 3-4 at once and it takes a year or so  for fruit to ripen.
You can propagate from tip or stem cuttings with at least 2 leaf nodes. Lay stem cuttings on their sides half buried in potting soil.

The other forms are ornamental types and you will pay more for them as they are collector items.

Iím not an expert on mangoes but I would say, in general, that itís a myth that you always need a taproot.  Sometimes we purposely cut the tap root to encourage more lateral root production for more efficient feeding.  Perhaps this concept would not be the best for every location but many kinds of fruit trees are grown from layers very successfully.
I have planted quite a few grafted mango trees and many didn't seem to have a discernable tap root. I do know of a Vietnamese mango grower here in SWFL on Pine Island who has hundreds of air layered mango trees which have been bearing well for years. Lychee air layers grow outstanding roots and I would expect mango to do as well or better. Since I ws unable to source 20 grafted Lemon Meringue trees I consulted with my friend and have 50 layers working two months so far, we will see in one more month.

First off, the pollination requirements for avocado are fairly stringent and may be hard to achieve maybe even the specifics were hard to translate I doubt if any imformation sources are directly in Czech languages.

Second, this is a little off topic but in other groups I keep running across people failing with avocado and I have had troubles myself. They are actually fairly challenging and I think a lot of that has to do with their very specific habitat of origin. Many fail to give avocado sufficient protection, soil conditions and water. Others fail utterly when their  trees drown in high water or saturated pots. They are very picky about that.

Just today I ran across this slide presentation, "The Avocado Irrigation Conundrum" from a researcher in Australia discussing the finer points. For one, I wasn't aware that avocado feeder roots have no root hairs?

If you want to grow a fruit forest you are wasting time not planting these mangos in the ground and may eventually regret you didn't set them free earlier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango second crop
« on: May 04, 2021, 07:35:13 AM »
I have a third flowering on Carrie and many others have mentioned the same.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: In the market for mangoes
« on: May 04, 2021, 07:34:03 AM »
Thanks for doing the conversions, much more relatable. Never heard of a Brook mango, but they don't look very appealing from the outside. Were they maybe picked too early?
Brooks is an old Florida variety, parent of Kent and "probably" Keitt.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: April 28, 2021, 12:36:33 PM »
I saw the video yesterday but it looks like trespassing to me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop: to Trim or Not to Trim
« on: April 28, 2021, 12:34:20 PM »
I think wind chill only matters for warm blooded animals, unless you have so much shelter and a nearby heat source you are actually holding a bubble of warmer-than-ambient air around your plants.  I suspect it is the mechanical action of the wind yanking things around that harms them.
If that were true, we would see defoliation during summer winds, yet we don't.

You can see a mature fruiting tree in this video @ 2:45 very well grown in the Fort Myers area.

I planted 20 last year and gave them 25 feet spacing based on this evidence of their size. It put in soursop centered between each of them for an early yield over the first years, and papaya between each of those for an even earlier yield in the plot. Mulberry and a few others are also in the mix because at such wide spacing there is a lot of room.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop: to Trim or Not to Trim
« on: April 28, 2021, 08:37:27 AM »
It was beautiful and glossy. One week of wind and mid-50 temperatures wreak havoc on it.
Wind chill is un under-considered factor in damage to the more tropical species out of their preferred zone.
I have some soursop that were protected by overhanging pigeon peas this past winter which suffered far less defoliation than open grown examples in adjacent places on the same property.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit Post
« on: April 26, 2021, 07:36:35 AM »
I have had no problem planting 4 plants around a square post on open ground but the column on the slab only has one side with soil available.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pineapple growing without a top
« on: April 26, 2021, 07:28:08 AM »
Diversity is the spice of life, and just to prove how far apart things can go I had this one with a virtually uncountable number of crowns:

Fungal spores are everywhere, waiting to grow. I doubt you can maintain sterile conditions in an open natural condition. The fungus needs wet conditions to proliferate. Lawn mowing would be an example of an event that would likely radically spread spores.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: April 23, 2021, 07:46:14 PM »
Amazing how close these owls will let you get. It's hard to believe it will be alive in a year if it trusts this low perch to sleep in the daylight. The owl is only about 5 foot from the ground in a dense carrie tree.
With flash & eyes opened a little. But head was turning so it was awake.

Without flash

Me, too.

"Vivian", could it be named after Vivian Murray of Treehouse nursery?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango bloom again!
« on: April 23, 2021, 09:07:31 AM »
Like many others experienced this year, my Carrie failed with male flowers early but is reblooming again for a late second crop. Zone 10b SWFL.

It's not fruiting anyway so not much to lose by making a clean angled cut and re-structuring the regrowth. I have seen some intentionally cut back to chest high and get back into production in two years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Young mango tree trimming question
« on: April 20, 2021, 06:15:29 PM »
This is the best instructional video I know of which explains in detail and shows how to do formative pruning of young mango trees. Watch it all, but pay special attention to the part around 8:00 minutes in when they show how to manage a very young tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop 10 Months in Ground
« on: April 18, 2021, 09:15:47 PM »
Mine had a good flush of new growth the past few weeks but have now had some sucking thrips or mites working on those new leaves.


lol very nice, what is the thickness of the layer u have placed, just wondering ...I'll follow your future tread about your new planting place !!
Between the tree beds it is starting out about six inches(15cm) but will compress quickly to 3 inches and one inch by the end of a rainy season. On the tree beds I put 4 inches compost then six inches or more of mulch. The plants I'll be planting between tree beds will be cut and used on the tree rows as further mulch and biomass. We don't get ordinary pine in my area rather a mix of exotic trees, some oaks, some palms, acacia, and etc. being mulched. It is a good mixture and I try to leave it for months piled high. The piles heat up quickly and steam for months. Usually the lower parts cool off enough for millipedes and arthropods decomposers to thrive in it. The heating helps reduce weed and tree seed in the mulch, very few germinate after months of steam treatment.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WANTED : CAS guava tree
« on: April 18, 2021, 08:01:31 AM »
Onur I have a couple of Cas seedlings ready in one gallon pots and would prefer a trade if you could PM me. Just south of you on Pine Island. They are over a year old, very tough and hardy plants.

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