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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 03, 2012, 01:00:45 AM
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Counted about 20 mangoes on my Pickering.
It totally out performs cogshall and icecream (the other two dwarf mangoes I have) Based on my observations it whoops julies butt too.
I got this tree late 2010, and fruited it 2011, (only getting 2 fruits), I didn't think I'd have so many set the 2nd yr.
Viva Pickering. 8)
(http://s7.postimage.org/o86gcu82f/March_Night_Mango_Ross_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/o86gcu82f/)
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Nice! Lets us know how the pickering mango tastes. :)
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Pickering is a champ. I have been extolling its virtues to those that would listen in the Garden Web Forum since i added this mango to my collection years ago. Taste-wise, it doesn't ever seem to take first place on any of the tasting tables I have been involved with. But it always finishes repectably and is, by everyone that I have let taste it, a very nicely flavored mango. On the coconutty flavor....there seems to be some folks that taste it and some that don't. I think there may be dsome cututrall aspects of growing the fruit that may affect this. Its growth habit is truly remarkable and its production is even more remarkable. For me, this is, hands down, the best mango to grow in a pot. And of course, it does even better in the ground. It is is incredibly rewarding.
Harry
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So, now I found out that Pickering never wins best in show??? After I've bought 3 trees?
Just kidding. To paraphrase one of the great mango deities, my favorite mango is the one I'm holding in my hand. ;D
My smallest Pickering, having been devastated by the weevils, has 9 leaves and 12 fruit the size of a dime. I'm not going to leave the fruit to mature, of course.
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I am continually amazed by the Pickering. What a great tree.
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How does the Pickering compare versus a Cogshall with regards to:
1) Production
2) Disease resistance
3) Growth habit
4) Taste, (I understand taste is very subjective, but I'm wondering if there are any overriding taste characteristics in each variety)
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they taste great! I thought it had the best attributes of carrie and glen, but BSbullie blew a gasket and said I was whacked out ;) ;D. I taste no coconut whatsoever, that other people swear they taste.
I have repaired the gasket, and, well, you say Carrie...damn gasket.
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How does the Pickering compare versus a Cogshall with regards to:
1) Production
2) Disease resistance
3) Growth habit
4) Taste, (I understand taste is very subjective, but I'm wondering if there are any overriding taste characteristics in each variety)
My opinion is:
1. Better
2. Equal
3. Better
4. Better
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I want one of these so bad! Problem is, I'm almost completely out of space... Would it be worth sacrificing a sickly young potted lancetilla (that has never fruited) to make room? Need the straight dirt on this one...
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Pickering is King. While most of my other mangoes have powdery mildew, the Pickering has zero fungus.
Remember - this is a mango selected by Gary Zill (the same fellow who selected the coco cream, lemon zest, havest moon, etc). Nothing but the best.
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Pickering is King. While most of my other mangoes have powdery mildew, the Pickering has zero fungus.
Remember - this is a mango selected by Gary Zill (the same fellow who selected the coco cream, lemon zest, havest moon, etc). Nothing but the best.
I haven't tasted Pickering personally, but as the owner of a sickly old Lancetilla, I vote Yes, Yes, Yes.
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replace it!
Pickering is more disease tolerant than cogshall in my opinion.
I'd grow cogshall and pickering...wait I already do.
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I agree. In fact, I have a multi-graft tree with both cogshall and pickering, and the pickering side is indeed more disease resistant.
Pickering is more disease tolerant than cogshall in my opinion.
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I agree. In fact, I have a multi-graft tree with both cogshall and pickering, and the pickering side is indeed more disease resistant.
Pickering is more disease tolerant than cogshall in my opinion.
I had mine both in greenhouse this year, and had to water the flowers to keep all my other plants nearby moist...
My cogshall has more mildew, and much less fruit set, on a larger older tree. Fruits have little black specks to.
Pickering underwent same treatment, but fruits look nice red green, and had amazing fruit set, with no little specks!
It seems to totally out perform coghsall in all aspects, maybe except taste, which is opinion.
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I too LOVE Pickering for all the reasons mentioned here...I very sadly lost mine last winter :o(
I am not lookign for another one...one of the Local nurseries here is looking for one for me. I sure hope he finds one soon or I'll have to go to Sarasota (I think that's the closest one that sells me them) to my area?
Actually, Thanks Harry, you're one of the reasons I bought one in the first place after seeing the picture of your tree and I think John(Jsvand) had a nice one too.
I was SO sad when mine died...root rot! Used too much peat in the soil and over watered plus cold damage!! At least I was able to taste several of them before it croaked.
Here's mine from a couple of years ago...I really NEED to get another one fast,lol...
(http://s16.postimage.org/e8zaxq70x/Pickering_Mango_tree_6_22_10_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e8zaxq70x/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/9h1w5e1od/more_Pickering_fruits_4_28_10_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9h1w5e1od/)
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How does the Pickering compare versus a Cogshall with regards to:
1) Production
2) Disease resistance
3) Growth habit
4) Taste, (I understand taste is very subjective, but I'm wondering if there are any overriding taste characteristics in each variety)
1. Pickering is definitely more productive. I would rate Cogshall as an average to decent producer. Pickering is an excellent producer.
2. Pickering is definitely more disease resistant.
3. Pickering is a much smaller, compact growth habit. Cogshall is a relatively slow grower though and is not difficult to keep small.
4. I like them about equally actually....but I'm a big Cogshall fan from a flavor standpoint. Can't go wrong with either in this department.
Overall though, I would say Pickering is the superior tree.
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Carbo!
Nice brown thumb avatar! Looks like a handmade ceramic brown thumb!
Theres all sorts of thumbs,
Burnt thumb ( too much fertilizer, or sun)
Bone thumb (bone dry, they never water!)
Bleeding thumb ( your lawn service left your trees bleeding sap at base of trunk, hence bleeding thumb)
Emerald ring thumb (all plants turn in to emerald green, or worth more than emerald rings! Hands of an alchemist, turning yellow of death, into vibrant green of life! a rare breed)
sorry for topic derail, but i started the topic! LOL ;D
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Indeed. If it's green I can brown it up in record time! ;) Starve it, burn it, drown it, parch it. I do it all!
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cant wait to pick mine up this summer. jeff you are reserving a nice pickering for me right?
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Viva Pickering indeed!!!
These little tree is my pride and joy! It's loaded, I know a lot is going to fall, but I have high hopes for a good crop.
(http://s15.postimage.org/m9a0mat5j/30b0ecad.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m9a0mat5j/)
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Yes, sir :-)
cant wait to pick mine up this summer. jeff you are reserving a nice pickering for me right?
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The pickering is a freak. Tough as nails, precocious, productive, dwarf, creamy and delicious. What more could you ask for in a mango? Prop's to Gary Zill on this baby.
Viva Pickering indeed!!!
These little tree is my pride and joy! It's loaded, I know a lot is going to fall, but I have high hopes for a good crop.
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What more could you ask for in a mango?
Color, for someone growing it for small-scale commercial purposes. Of course this trait is irrelevant to me personally but some customers tend to pick out the pretty ones unless educated from experience.
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Hi Anikulapo,
> Counted about 20 mangoes on my Pickering.
I counted my mango buds tonight - 64 of them. But I know most of them will fall off. I am just all gitty about it. It my first Pickering tree.
Tomas
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Ahh yes, good point. Irrelevant for me too, but not so much so with the general public. Funnily they start off so pretty with that burgundy color then switch over to green.
What more could you ask for in a mango?
Color, for someone growing it for small-scale commercial purposes. Of course this trait is irrelevant to me personally but some customers tend to pick out the pretty ones unless educated from experience.
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Alex
You could plant out a few hundred Pickering seeds in your back 40. One of them might grow into the holy grail of mangos. I'm willing to eat the mangos and save you the seeds, if that will help. ;)
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Tomas,
Its easy to tell which mangos will stay and which will need to be thinned or fall off
The bad ones always get a tiny tinge of yellow, like rot. The healthy ones swell up fast and get red green colored, with no yellow at all.
Also. I hold panicles and flick them, sending rotten or poor fruits flying, and leaving healthy fruits still attached. The healthy ones won't be shaken off by wind or flicking, too easily, but sickly fruits can.
After removing all yellow and sickly fruits from my tree,I still have 16-18 nice mangos growing!! I should be eating them in mid April..this is way ahead of shedule, I usually get them in June!!
I'm not complaining though... My smaller Pickering has loads of tiny fruit set to, so maybe I'll get some late pickerings to!
Hope u get a bunch on your tree! How many gallons? How old and tall??
Hi Anikulapo,
> Counted about 20 mangoes on my Pickering.
I counted my mango buds tonight - 64 of them. But I know most of them will fall off. I am just all gitty about it. It my first Pickering tree.
Tomas
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Hi Anikulapo,
I am not really sure how old my Pickering is. I would have to ask Jeff Hagen. I would say perhaps 5 ft tall.
Tomas
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Why be your mangoes so big? I have several in pots and they are like 1/10 that size.
My pickering tree is getting close to ripening some fruits! I'm pretty sure growing in a pot has put me way ahead of most other mango growers in FL...another advantage to container growing! I may be first to post on forum, FL mango harvest...??...maybe not.
I took some pics of my largest Pickering...It has 10 mangoes on it that look like they might ripen (if they don't get knocked off!).
I got all up underneath the tree and snapped the photo, so u could see the tree without having all of the other trees in the background, making the tree have no contrast, and so u could see all the mangoes.
I like the shot because it kind of messes with your perspective, and looks to me like 30 ft mango tree, with 8ft leaves, and 4ft fruit! LOL That would be an amazing tree! For now I will have to settle for this little amazing tree!
The mango that's ripe, is from the same tree with 10mangoes, just from a few years ago.
(http://s17.postimage.org/4xiushrcr/annonagraft_3_28_12_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4xiushrcr/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/yfd022oxn/annonagraft_3_28_12_007.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yfd022oxn/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/430wk78vv/Adam_s_Pictures_3_2011_170.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/430wk78vv/)
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OMG!!! I'm salivating! That previous pic looks like its ready to eat tomorrow morning!!!! Awesome, enjoy your fruits!!!
I have so much to wait.....
Here is a pic of my in ground 2 days ago. I just thinned it today and it's still loaded.
(http://s14.postimage.org/gbzpme3rx/692db11c.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gbzpme3rx/)
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just to clarify again, the ripe fruit is from around 2yrs ago, and the tree loaded with green fruits is from this year. (its confusing now to, because I posted another pickering tree I have, with smaller fruits on it, from this year as well).
I think I'll have pickerings to eat, and share with friends...in around 4weeks?? hopefully less! I water everyday, just a little bit.... ;)
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Oh... Sorry I got distracted by the fruit dangling in my face!!! Well 4 wks is better than a couple more months or more ;D
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OK Captain!
I'm not trying to tell u how to run your ship, but I see quite a few mangoes that are going to rot! If they are smaller/yellow/orange they need to come off now! They suck energy from other mangoes, and will grow...even though they are destine to fall off, and have no seed!
If the mango is red/green, and growing larger than most others...it will stay....
If the mango is smaller, with any orange coloration, or yellowing...especially on the side of the mango with the dimple...these will not fully form! and need to come off asap.
Although you have many mangoes I would still thin off, I think you'll have more mangoes than me this year! Maybe around 15-20 if u play your cards right.
Good growing! :)
OMG!!! I'm salivating! That previous pic looks like its ready to eat tomorrow morning!!!! Awesome, enjoy your fruits!!!
I have so much to wait.....
Here is a pic of my in ground 2 days ago. I just thinned it today and it's still loaded.
(http://s14.postimage.org/gbzpme3rx/692db11c.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gbzpme3rx/)
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You are right! I thinned it today although it hurt so much to flick those babies out!
Still have a LOT, but I am sure as they grow some will still fall. Last year I had one halfway there and it was gone :( I had 7 at the end of the season. If I get at least 14 this year I'm a happy camper, plus I have 6 in the potted one that hopefully will give me 4, that one is ahead by 2-3 weeks.
Thanks for your feedback, it's always appreciated, especially since I am such a newbie with so much to learn!
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OK Captain!
I'm not trying to tell u how to run your ship, but I see quite a few mangoes that are going to rot! If they are smaller/yellow/orange they need to come off now! They suck energy from other mangoes, and will grow...even though they are destine to fall off, and have no seed!
If the mango is red/green, and growing larger than most others...it will stay....
If the mango is smaller, with any orange coloration, or yellowing...especially on the side of the mango with the dimple...these will not fully form! and need to come off asap.
Although you have many mangoes I would still thin off, I think you'll have more mangoes than me this year! Maybe around 15-20 if u play your cards right.
Good growing! :)
I don't know if it is actually necessary to pull the fruit off that is turning yellow. It seems that by them turning yellow it is a sign that the tree has already started to seal their connection from the tree and they will abscise on their own.
Anyone know for sure?
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some fruits on my tree turned yellow, and had no seed, but kept growing.
I'm sure they'd eventually fall off, but its best to not encourage sickly mangoes amongst the healthy ones, and also to remove them as early as they can be detected, so they don't drain energy from healthy mangoes.
This is only my theory.
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That is interesting.. How large did they get after turning yellow?
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Those mangos look so good-here is my tree, purchased from the Plant Sale.
The leaves are really big for its size. :)
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That is interesting.. How large did they get after turning yellow?
Some of the yellow fall off by shaking it a bit, others I wiggle just a bit an they fall off. The yellows have no future :( in addition there is big size discrepancy between the yellows and the green/burgundy. But some of those yellows hang around for a good week or more after turning yellow. It has so many that I just felt its right to give it a bit of relief by thinning.
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About the size of a cadbury cream egg...and some smaller...
That is interesting.. How large did they get after turning yellow?
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Was probably mentioned already, but guessed i missed it, what is the parentage of this Pickering mango? Is it as dwarf as the Julie?
Oscar
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Was probably mentioned already, but guessed i missed it, what is the parentage of this Pickering mango? Is it as dwarf as the Julie?
Oscar
From what I have seen, Pickering may be one of the smallest (dwarfed) of the mango varieties. While I don't know what the oldest Pickering is, I would say it may be smaller than Julie. I believe there is another thread on this site about the Pickering and its size.
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Pickering regularly thins itself....as do all mangoes. I think it seems a little more dramatic on Pickering as the trees are small and the fruit set are so numerous. You don't have to flick them off...they will drop off on their own and I do not think that they continue to get nutrient from the plant once they turn yellow, but I have no proof of that. My tree still matures much fruit for the size of the tree but actually will lose the vast majority of the original fruits set. Remember, if one fruit sets on each branch, that is a huge crop for any tree and expecially huge for a small tree like Pickering. Intial fruit set on Pickering is always a multiple number on each pannicle and multiple pannicles on each branch.
Harry
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Pickering regularly thins itself....as do all mangoes. I think it seems a little more dramatic on Pickering as the trees are small and the fruit set are so numerous. You don't have to flick them off...they will drop off on their own and I do not think that they continue to get nutrient from the plant once they turn yellow, but I have no proof of that. My tree still matures much fruit for the size of the tree but actually will lose the vast majority of the original fruits set. Remember, if one fruit sets on each branch, that is a huge crop for any tree and expecially huge for a small tree like Pickering. Intial fruit set on Pickering is always a multiple number on each pannicle and multiple pannicles on each branch.
Harry
I'm sure you have posted it before but what are the dimensions and age of your Pickering and whats the largest one you have seen? thanks! I have a young Pickering and it sure puts on a show as far getting panicle blooms pollinated and turning into little fruits. Even though 75% (just a guess) of the 1/4" size eventually drop off
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As I posted before, some mangoes that were yellow continued to grow. If the tree is small and/or in a pot, it will be easy to go ahead and remove them. Leaving them wil drain energy into these worthless fruits, which will be good breeding grounds for pathogens like anthracnose. In my opinion the earlier u can spot and thin out the mangoes that need to be removed the better.
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As I posted before, some mangoes that were yellow continued to grow. If the tree is small and/or in a pot, it will be easy to go ahead and remove them. Leaving them wil drain energy into these worthless fruits, which will be good breeding grounds for pathogens like anthracnose. In my opinion the earlier u can spot and thin out the mangoes that need to be removed the better.
Thanks much..... gonna do that on my Pickering and see about it on my other trees. "You gotta be cruel to be kind"
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I've never experienced yellowed Pickerings continuing to grow. It may be that I am not observant enough to make my lack of experience meaningful. There is a lot going on to distract me from such observations. In any case, I do agree that the yellowed fruit is better off than on. That way there is no possible way that they can draw any of the trees strength away.
Harry
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Been going nuts reading about the Pickering mango, so Friday dropped everything and ran down to Palm City. The Martin hwy has a bunch of nurseries and the 2nd one had PM's. I got a Pickering planted in a 15 gal Jackpot. There were 2 more available. Thanks to guys like Anikulapo for getting me all riled up. Enthusiasm on this forum is high. And infectious! :o
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Been going nuts reading about the Pickering mango, so Friday dropped everything and ran down to Palm City. The Martin hwy has a bunch of nurseries and the 2nd one had PM's. I got a Pickering planted in a 15 gal Jackpot. There were 2 more available. Thanks to guys like Anikulapo for getting me all riled up. Enthusiasm on this forum is high. And infectious! :o
(http://s12.postimage.org/4so3o5sih/IMG_3722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4so3o5sih/)
My Pickering about 5ft high planted last year -- They like to put on a show. As far as setting fruit. Many (most?) will drop off
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The Pickering is one of my favorite mango varieties. I have a Pickering tree that was planted about three years ago. Last season was the first time it carried any fruit and it produced over 30 mangos and that was on a tree less then five feet tall! This year its about a foot taller and is loaded with small fruits, I'm guessing (hoping) that I'll have double the fruit it had last season. I like the variety so much I planted another one out last fall.
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Nice pics. Pickering sounds like a winner.
Can I obtain some scionwood from either of you once my Ataulfo/Manila/Champagne seedlings become pencil-thick?
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Hi guys,
Looks like Pickering is a real winner. I have been trying to decided on a 3rd mango variety that I could grow in a pot. I have heard planty about how this variety is a great candidate for potted culture.
Swrancher,
Awesome pic of your Pickering! If you could get around 30 fruits off a tree that's under 5ft tall, than I should have no problem with still getting a bunch of fruits on a potted tree. From what I remember the flavor is described as coconut and pineapple. What's your opinion, and does it have any tartness to it(is the tartness what people call the "twang"?
Thanks,
Andrew
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PIckering is a very tasty mango with a nice sweet mango taste, but I dont really detect much of a coconut or pineapple flavor to it.
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PIckering is a very tasty mango with a nice sweet mango taste, but I dont really detect much of a coconut or pineapple flavor to it.
I have tasted a slight coconut/tropical nuance, no pineapple. If you want a true coconut flavor in your mango, you'll need to go with Gary, Pina Colada or Coconut Cream.
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holy cow, TONY.... now you're just abusing the little tree ;D ;D ;D Completely fenced off from all your chickens too?
G - great job scaling the tree size, just throw a yardstick in it ;D
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Taken last night by a fire I burned...this pickering should have ripe fruits within weeks! It has10 holing on strong...and I love how the leaves sometimes decide to get huge!!!
(http://s15.postimage.org/yj6wsvw3b/pickering4_7_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yj6wsvw3b/)
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hi, :D
soon be ready to eat. ;)
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Wow guys great thread! I've heard from CoPlantNut(Keving) that pickering was a real winner, especially for container culture. I didn't see anyone mention at what age they start producing fruit. I'd guess 2nd or 3rd year from what some of you have posted up? Also, what size container are you all growing them in? 10gal? Larger?
-Luke
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Wow guys great thread! I've heard from CoPlantNut(Keving) that pickering was a real winner, especially for container culture. I didn't see anyone mention at what age they start producing fruit. I'd guess 2nd or 3rd year from what some of you have posted up? Also, what size container are you all growing them in? 10gal? Larger?
-Luke
To be safe, I would say starting in the third year. Keep in mind, it is a slower grower than most other mangoes. You should have no problem fruiting it in a 15 gal or 25 gal,
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Aniku - killer production on such a small tree...I think mine is about the same size as yours but like 6 weeks behind.....so
the jury's still out....viva Pickering, indeed!
mangomandan - where is your mango handler? LOL
fango
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Awesome pickering pictures you guys!
Do you guys bear root your mango trees before you repot them? Or do you just pot them up to a bigger pot and add more good draining mix around them.
I killed my Pickering shortly after I bare rooted the plant. I think there were other factors involved to its demise...the roots looked like it had issues from some root rot and it just went down hill shortly after.
I think "if" I do get another one...I might NOT bare root it this time...I've done my Glenn with NO problems but can't seem to get it right with this last pickering **sigh**
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Awesome pickering pictures you guys!
Do you guys bear root your mango trees before you repot them? Or do you just pot them up to a bigger pot and add more good draining mix around them.
I killed my Pickering shortly after I bare rooted the plant. I think there were other factors involved to its demise...the roots looked like it had issues from some root rot and it just went down hill shortly after.
I think "if" I do get another one...I might NOT bare root it this time...I've done my Glenn with NO problems but can't seem to get it right with this last pickering **sigh**
I don't bare root any plants for repotting but then again I do not use any funky potting mix either.
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G - great job scaling the tree size, just throw a yardstick in it ;D
Very astute observation Tim.....two yardsticks (one obscured by glare) and the vertical one is sitting on a (unseen) bucket so the Pickering is really about five and a half feet high. Many fruits have dropped off since that photo was taken 7 days ago. The Pickering is thinning itself out. All kinds of hardware and appliance stores used to give out yardsticks it was great advertising. Now you gotta pay the cheap ba###ds like Home Depot
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Yikes! I only have 2 mangoes left on my Pickering tree. All the others have fallen off. I hope the last 2 fruits will stay on until ripe.
Tomas
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Tomas,
If u don't have any that stay, I will send u one!
I have quite a few, hopefully ripening by early May.
The dang wind blew off one of my Pitangatuba fruits!!
It was just barely starting to turn yellow...I wonder if it will ripen somewhat?
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My baby Pickerings too have done a remarkable job of self-thinning. :(
I'm hoping to buy or trade for a few.
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Been going nuts reading about the Pickering mango, so Friday dropped everything and ran down to Palm City. The Martin hwy has a bunch of nurseries and the 2nd one had PM's. I got a Pickering planted in a 15 gal Jackpot. There were 2 more available. Thanks to guys like Anikulapo for getting me all riled up. Enthusiasm on this forum is high. And infectious! :o
(http://s12.postimage.org/4so3o5sih/IMG_3722.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4so3o5sih/)
My Pickering about 5ft high planted last year -- They like to put on a show. As far as setting fruit. Many (most?) will drop off
I see now what you mean. It had 9 fruit when I bought it. Today two. I gotta taste at least one this year. Arrrrgh!
Dan