A visit in Chatuchak market in Bkk

[msk0072]

During my short stay in Bangkok - Thailand I visited the famous Chatuchak Market. I knew the Wednesday is the day for plant and tree seller and hunters so I was there on that day. The market is very big. A huge nursery with all kinds of plants and trees. I spent many hrs there and not a sign of tiredness after finishing my visit:).

One of many entrances




Big mango trees


The mango tree pots (thai patent?)






























Trucks load with trees




Banana stand


Any kind of banana's bulbs in small pots to take away!


Grafted durian. I found all three famous varieties in thailand here. monthong, chanee, khan yao


..and more grafted trees

[Patrick]

What a nicely displayed market! I wish we had markets like that here... Huge trees ready for planting, I would hate to hear how cheap the prices are too!

[msk0072]

What a nicely displayed market! I wish we had markets like that here... Huge trees ready for planting, I would hate to hear how cheap the prices are too!

Patrick the market is really nice, huge and not to have enough. Some trees are really big as you can see in some pictures you need to load on a truck to transport away. About the prices, sit down and read this : small grafted plants like in the last picture 50bht ($1.70), bigger 100bht ($3.20) . About big mangos like in the first pictures I didn't ask because the trees didn't fit in my suitcase 

[Patrick]

What a nicely displayed market! I wish we had markets like that here... Huge trees ready for planting, I would hate to hear how cheap the prices are too!

Patrick the market is really nice, huge and not to have enough. Some trees are really big as you can see in some pictures you need to load on a truck to transport away. About the prices, sit down and read this : small grafted plants like in the last picture 50bht ($1.70), bigger 100bht ($3.20) . About big mangos like in the first pictures I didn't ask because the trees didn't fit in my suitcase 

Our local HD and Lowes Improvement Stores have the grafted Jaks in the last picture for $49.95!

[fruitlovers]

What a nicely displayed market! I wish we had markets like that here... Huge trees ready for planting, I would hate to hear how cheap the prices are too!

Patrick the market is really nice, huge and not to have enough. Some trees are really big as you can see in some pictures you need to load on a truck to transport away. About the prices, sit down and read this : small grafted plants like in the last picture 50bht ($1.70), bigger 100bht ($3.20) . About big mangos like in the first pictures I didn't ask because the trees didn't fit in my suitcase 

I see some smart vendors have a few english words on their signs. It used to be everything was in Thai script, and unless you had a translator with you you were out of luck because nobody spoke not even one world of english.

[Tropicdude]

The one picture with the mango in the basket, how are those propagated, it almost looks like these were air layered or something, the tree is so big with such a small container in comparison.  bamboo support tied at the bottom.

[Felipe]

Very nice plants! The bad thing is you can't take them all back home..

When I was in BKK I also wanted to visit the Chatuchak market, but my hangover was too bad that day... 

[luc]

Very nice plants! The bad thing is you can't take them all back home..

When I was in BKK I also wanted to visit the Chatuchak market, but my hangover was too bad that day... 

Pat Pong  , the night before Felipe

[roboto212]

how are you going to take home trees in your suitcase?

[bangkok]

The one picture with the mango in the basket, how are those propagated, it almost looks like these were air layered or something, the tree is so big with such a small container in comparison.  bamboo support tied at the bottom.

Yes some are airlayered but most are grafted. The basket they plant as a whole thing, the roots will grow out and it will decay soon.

Grafted jack is 2us$ and now there are many new mango-species for sale.

I saw Jaboticaba cauliflora for sale (and a big tree blooming) but i don't know if i like them so i am still in doubt to buy.

[xunxun88]

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

[bangkok]

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

Yes that summer snow mango is one of the newest that they sell, i also have never heard of it and i guess somebody makes up that name because thai people like everything with the word snow. And because Aiwan and Jua hing (something like that) and Yu-wen are from Taiwan (also Red Dragon mango) they just add this one to the list i guess.

Can you tell me if the mango's i named are nice ones? Taiwanese mango's are in fashion here now.

[fruitlovers]

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

Believe it! Thailand is pirating capital of the world. No trademark, patent, or copyright is safe there.

[xunxun88]

Hi~bangkok

This page has introduced many of Taiwan's famous mango, you can watch through GOOGLE translation.

http://www.mesotw.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=759&extra=page%3D1

xun

[xunxun88]

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

Believe it! Thailand is pirating capital of the world. No trademark, patent, or copyright is safe there.

thanks you~Oscar
I believe it.
(summer snow mango) variety rights owned by a private company in Taiwan, fruit specialized in the export to Japan, not private trading in Taiwan.

[bangkok]

Hi~bangkok

This page has introduced many of Taiwan's famous mango, you can watch through GOOGLE translation.

http://www.mesotw.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=759&extra=page%3D1

xun

My google cannot translate this chinese unfortunately.

Is it a nice mango? I read it smells like an Irwin mango and tastes like an indiginous mango (what ever that may taste like).

It has no fibre though.

Is it worth to offer a ndm4 branch for a scion of Summer Snow mango or not?

[msk0072]

What a nicely displayed market! I wish we had markets like that here... Huge trees ready for planting, I would hate to hear how cheap the prices are too!

Patrick the market is really nice, huge and not to have enough. Some trees are really big as you can see in some pictures you need to load on a truck to transport away. About the prices, sit down and read this : small grafted plants like in the last picture 50bht ($1.70), bigger 100bht ($3.20) . About big mangos like in the first pictures I didn't ask because the trees didn't fit in my suitcase 

I see some smart vendors have a few english words on their signs. It used to be everything was in Thai script, and unless you had a translator with you you were out of luck because nobody spoke not even one world of english.

The only words the sellers know in english are the names of the plants and the prices. Smart!

The one picture with the mango in the basket, how are those propagated, it almost looks like these were air layered or something, the tree is so big with such a small container in comparison.  bamboo support tied at the bottom.

They must be propagated by airlayering because no grafting point on the whole trunk.
No digging in the basket alowed!

Very nice plants! The bad thing is you can't take them all back home..

When I was in BKK I also wanted to visit the Chatuchak market, but my hangover was too bad that day... 

The temptation is big. You can't resist.  Felipe, next time you can be better prepared 

[msk0072]

Very nice plants! The bad thing is you can't take them all back home..

When I was in BKK I also wanted to visit the Chatuchak market, but my hangover was too bad that day... 

Pat Pong  , the night before Felipe

Maybe Nana? Haha!

how are you going to take home trees in your suitcase?

It is possible! Believe me!

how are you going to take home trees in your suitcase?

It is possible. Believe me!

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

Yes that summer snow mango is one of the newest that they sell, i also have never heard of it and i guess somebody makes up that name because thai people like everything with the word snow. And because Aiwan and Jua hing (something like that) and Yu-wen are from Taiwan (also Red Dragon mango) they just add this one to the list i guess.

I think Aiwan and Yu-wen is the same? The Chinesish pronunciation is difficult.

I can not believe that (summer snow mango) is a new species in Taiwan, it has a plant variety right, has now appeared in the Thai market.

Believe it! Thailand is pirating capital of the world. No trademark, patent, or copyright is safe there.

I am sure for that. Everything can be copied especially here in Thailand. Some times the reproduction is very good like the original some times bad.
With the plants it is easy. Υou just write the name of the variety on the placard or on the table. You buy it and after a few year you determine the fruits you harvest are from another variety.

[fruitlovers]

Customs must be a lot more relaxed in Greece. Try bringing a suit case full of plants into USA and see what happens! I think in most of Europe also you will not get away with it.

[Fruitguy]

The only words the sellers know in english are the names of the plants and the prices. Smart!

In Thailand, nearly everything from street vendors is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   And if ones is worried about not knowing the Thai words for prices, worry not, as you will be handed a calculator with the price and you can type in your own price.  Nice!

[msk0072]

Customs must be a lot more relaxed in Greece. Try bringing a suit case full of plants into USA and see what happens! I think in most of Europe also you will not get away with it.

Some times yes. Must be lucky, also.
Second visit in Chatuchak and I found this mango tree in the market for 200THB ($5) I don't Know why the price is higher. Special mango?


Who can recognize it? Maybe Elephant Tusk Mango? Too green for it?

In Thailand, everything is negotiable...

You are full right. The price for this mango tree was not negotiable

[Tropicdude]

Hi~bangkok

This page has introduced many of Taiwan's famous mango, you can watch through GOOGLE translation.

http://www.mesotw.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=759&extra=page%3D1

xun

My translator seems to work, lots of good pictures at that site, thanks for the link.

[fruitlovers]

The only words the sellers know in english are the names of the plants and the prices. Smart!

In Thailand, everything is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   And if ones is worried about not knowing the Thai words for prices, worry not, as you will be handed a calculator with the price and you can type in your own price.  Nice!

I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. They will very gladly take your money! All of it!!  It's customary to quote farangs (foreigners) prices 2 to 4x normal price. So if you pay it they will just smile and take your money.

[bangkok]

I have seen that big green mango for sale on chatuchak but forgot the name. It was something with the word Tung in it. I have keau Jai allready which is something similar, huge and green.

It is not true that you can bargain everywhere but you can at least try. I have seen people getting very angry when you try it and start yelling and making a scene but who cares? They do not put the price on their stuff so then i always try it, the game is who can waste the most time of the other one. Thai traders always try to waste your time and hope you just say okay i ll take it for your price.

If you get to know Bkk better then you know where and how to bargain but also many times i m not in the mood for it and just go to a departmentstore and pay the full price there. But even there you can bargain if you know how and get discount with cards.

Aiwan and Yu-wen are the same? I paid 100 baht for it and see it elsewhere mostly for 500. Yu-wen is the one with fruits from 4.2 lbs that is 2 kg. Yu-wen is easy to graft and flushes fast but the flushes can also die easy when the graft is still alive and will flush again. I still don't know why that happens.

On the taiwanese website i can see pictures but not read the text (is not translated). I would like to read the description they give it. I believe Taiwan is not as hot as Thailand so maybe the mango's will taste different here.

[fruitlovers]

I have seen that big green mango for sale on chatuchak but forgot the name. It was something with the word Tung in it. I have keau Jai allready which is something similar, huge and green.

It is not true that you can bargain everywhere but you can at least try. I have seen people getting very angry when you try it and start yelling and making a scene but who cares? They do not put the price on their stuff so then i always try it, the game is who can waste the most time of the other one. Thai traders always try to waste your time and hope you just say okay i ll take it for your price.

If you get to know Bkk better then you know where and how to bargain but also many times i m not in the mood for it and just go to a departmentstore and pay the full price there. But even there you can bargain if you know how and get discount with cards.

Aiwan and Yu-wen are the same? I paid 100 baht for it and see it elsewhere mostly for 500. Yu-wen is the one with fruits from 4.2 lbs that is 2 kg. Yu-wen is easy to graft and flushes fast but the flushes can also die easy when the graft is still alive and will flush again. I still don't know why that happens.

On the taiwanese website i can see pictures but not read the text (is not translated). I would like to read the description they give it. I believe Taiwan is not as hot as Thailand so maybe the mango's will taste different here.

Try the Bing translator. Works fine: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http://www.mesotw.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=759&extra=page%3D1

[msk0072]

Wiiliam you have the answer to my question about the mango in my picture:
Topic: Golden Queen Mango? : http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=851.50

I found a little background history on the Jin Huang ( aka: Golden Queen, Elephant ) Mango.  and according to this article Jin_Huang parents are "White" and "Keitt". which i find a bit strange,  not sure what the "White" variety looks like, but Jin-Huang looks more like an over grown Nam Doc Mai, and I remember coming across a post somewhere saying it was a chance seedling of NDM.

http://enquarterly.tzuchiculture.org.tw/?mod=tc_monthly_en&act=detail&id=94

Ok I think i have finally solved this mystery,  the "white" mango is called "Nang Klang Wan"   so Golden Queen is a cross between Nang Klang Wan and Keitt. also found out it is poly embryonic .
This mango sure looks like the Ivory.  which would explain the "White" translation from the other website.

I think the mangos are the same.

[Fruitguy]

In Thailand, everything is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   ... 

I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. They will very gladly take your money! All of it!!  It's customary to quote farangs (foreigners) prices 2 to 4x normal price. So if you pay it they will just smile and take your money.

I was told that by a native Thai.  The belief stems from the thinking that if you (as the buyer) do not play the game of negotiation, then you either think you are too good or too rich to negotiate.  That is where the insult stems from.  It probably relates to fellow Thais more than foreigners as you are correct in that the vendors will happily take the inflated initial offering price. 

[TropicalFruitHunters]

More likely that once the conversion to dollars is completed, we are so astounded at the low cost, we gladly fork over the money!!  It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

[fruitlovers]

In Thailand, everything is negotiable.  I was told that it is almost an insult NOT to try and bargain down the price.   ... 

I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. They will very gladly take your money! All of it!!  It's customary to quote farangs (foreigners) prices 2 to 4x normal price. So if you pay it they will just smile and take your money.

I was told that by a native Thai.  The belief stems from the thinking that if you (as the buyer) do not play the game of negotiation, then you either think you are too good or too rich to negotiate.  That is where the insult stems from.  It probably relates to fellow Thais more than foreigners as you are correct in that the vendors will happily take the inflated initial offering price.

They will not think you are too good or too rich, but too retarded. HAHA

[fruitlovers]

More likely that once the conversion to dollars is completed, we are so astounded at the low cost, we gladly fork over the money!!  It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

That comes under the too rich category. I'm sure once you're living in Thailand you won't think that way any more!

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

[fruitlovers]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

Hi Stephen, it's like anywhere else: you build up a relationship with a vendor, you know you can trust them after having done business with them over time, and there is no fear that they won't sell you the real deal. What is problematic are those one time purchases...especially when vendor knows they'll never see your face again, and there is almost zero communication between buyer and seller due to language barrier. Mike T gave a list of nurseries in various parts of Thailand that was quite good. For one time purchases it's much safer to deal with them than to go to a general market like Chatuchak.

[Fruitguy]

It helps have a mother-in-law in tow who would negotiate anything to death!!   

Very true! And one who enjoys fruit as much (or more) than we do! I see that Dad is now on FB as well. :-)

[samuel]

Mike T gave a list of nurseries in various parts of Thailand that was quite good.

what is the link for that post?

Thanks

[bangkok]

There are 2 brothers on chatuchack who both have the same to offer in 2 shops and sell mango-tree's for many years there. I forgot their companyname but they are at the ringroad where the car drives (very annoying) and it is on the side of JJ-mall. Close to the vendors who all sit under that big roof where no cars can come. That area also sells many fake flowers from plastic.

If they sell the real deal i don't know but i bought some there in the past. They ask 500 baht or more for new species. Good luck finding them 

If you just walk the ringroad (like the cars) then they are at the opposit site of the main entrance if you arrivr there by skytrain.

[msk0072]

Hi Mike,
Thanks a bunch for sharing them pics...i really enjoyed them all The prices for them fruits trees are crazy  But, i wouldn't buy any...how do you know what you are buying is the real deal? They say it's this mango cv, then turns out to be, something totally different I reckon it's best to buy trees from certified nurseries and not run the risk of buying trash

You never can be sure there. It’s a trust deal. Some time they write the names on the leafs of the plants. (I will put pictures here as example, translator is needed ) I suppose the Thai customers must be happy, also. When you have the translation maybe is too late. Better you go there with some one who knows the language. If they know your visit is one time visit the will sell to you other cheaper varieties. You just know that the plant is a mango, starfruit, rambuttan etc unknown variety and hopping you got what you was looking for. If not you lost the time of waiting to harvest some fantastic fruit of a very good variety like Patrick (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4196.msg58068#msg58068). About the money you have spent, trink one beer less with your friends .

[fruitlovers]

Everything in Thailand goes so much easier with a Thai translator with you. If the translator happens to be your mother in law that's even better, because nobody wants to mess with a mother in law. HAHA

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Oscar,
For sure...if you are a frequent buyer and you know the vendor is trustworthy, there is no proplem. The general markets are great for buying exotic orchids, like Mokara(Arachnis x Ascocentrum x Vanda) and other ornamental plants. Fruit trees...certified nurseries for sure. I would stay away from ultra tropicals like Durian, i wouldn't dare to kill the king. 

Hi Mike,
Yeah, the language barrier is vast and super difficult to comprehend...it would be better to learn a bit of Thai, before going on a vacation or hire a translator, which would be much easier. For me, i would learn few words that would help the day by day, situations and that doesn't include swear words From what i have been told...to learn a language, you should learn the swear words first

As i have said before, certified nursery would be best and you will get the real deal...it would really suck, if you go through the works of smuggling them trees and they turn out to be trash, oh boy

[msk0072]

Mango tree labels in the market




Who can translate?

[Jackfruitwhisperer69]

Hi Mike,
I know, I know...It's Maha Chanok and Okrung :-) Just kidding

[msk0072]

Hi Mike,
I know, I know...It's Maha Chanok and Okrung :-) Just kidding

If not I have an open bussines with the seller! 
HAHA

[bangkok]

Mango tree labels in the market




Who can translate?

My Thai wife cannot read it.....so i guess it will be a surprise when your tree's have fruits.

[msk0072]

My Thai wife cannot read it.....so i guess it will be a surprise when your tree's have fruits.

Maybe this way : Upside down