Biggest and best ( sweetest ) jaboticaba ?

[luc]

Lets hear from those fortunate enough to have them fruiting what the most desirable Jaboticaba would be .

[edself65]

Grimal!

[FlyingFoxFruits]

trunciflora and grimal are great.

truncilfora is sweet and large, with smooth succulent pulp, and with low tannins in skin..has about 4 small seeds per fruit.  Skin is very thin, and easy to eat in moderation.

grimal is large, with tannic thick skins, has a nice texture, more gelatinous, thicker than most jaboticabas....also has a wonderful concord grape flavor.  I think Grimal exceeds trunciflora in fruit size.  It also has very small seeds!!

[edself65]

Yep Adam that is all the reasons the Grimal is my favorite!

Ed

trunciflora and grimal are great.

truncilfora is sweet and large, with smooth succulent pulp, and with low tannins in skin..has about 4 small seeds per fruit.  Skin is very thin, and easy to eat in moderation.

grimal is large, with tannic thick skins, has a nice texture, more gelatinous, thicker than most jaboticabas....also has a wonderful concord grape flavor.  I think Grimal exceeds trunciflora in fruit size.  It also has very small seeds!!

[fruitlovers]

trunciflora and grimal are great.

truncilfora is sweet and large, with smooth succulent pulp, and with low tannins in skin..has about 4 small seeds per fruit.  Skin is very thin, and easy to eat in moderation.

grimal is large, with tannic thick skins, has a nice texture, more gelatinous, thicker than most jaboticabas....also has a wonderful concord grape flavor.  I think Grimal exceeds trunciflora in fruit size.  It also has very small seeds!!

Have you tasted yet M. coronata? If so how does it compare?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I believe coronata was described by Mattos in 1976...being such a recently described species, it's doubtful that there are many fruiting specimens in USA.

I've never tasted one, but I really dream about it all the time!

they're larger than both grimal and trunciflora...I hear they can be somewhat acid or sweet, depending on variety...not sure about skin thickness and tannins.

[luc]

I am not familiar with the name ' Grimal ' , googling i find it is the spiritosantensis , who is Grimal  ?

Do you have this fruiting Ed ?

I have the trunciflora still years away from fruit .

Really curious about the coronata .

[fruitlovers]

I believe coronata was described by Mattos in 1976...being such a recently described species, it's doubtful that there are many fruiting specimens in USA.

I've never tasted one, but I really dream about it all the time!

they're larger than both grimal and trunciflora...I hear they can be somewhat acid or sweet, depending on variety...not sure about skin thickness and tannins.

I think also it must be a "must have". The fruits are way bigger than any other jaboticaba, usually well over one inch across.

[fruitlovers]

I am not familiar with the name ' Grimal ' , googling i find it is the spiritosantensis , who is Grimal  ?

Do you have this fruiting Ed ?

I have the trunciflora still years away from fruit .

Really curious about the coronata .

Adolf Grimal who lived on one of the Keys island. There is some info on him in Whitman's book 5 Decades. I guess they were friends? Grimal had one of these spirito-santensis trees. But until recently nobody knew correct name, so they just called it Grimal. I'm calling them Fuzzy jaboticaba.

[luc]

I should hit myself and you should expel me from the forum , when I was in Brazil in 2006 Lorenzi and Marco took me to a place in the Campinos university with lots of Jaboticaba varieties .

Guess what , I did not save any seeds reasoning I would not live to see them fruiting . The only one I kept was the phitrantha , can't remember why...

From some notes I took the oblongata was really big over 3 cm  but slightly acid .

Don't remember seeing the coronada .

[FlyingFoxFruits]

I am not familiar with the name ' Grimal ' , googling i find it is the spiritosantensis , who is Grimal  ?

Do you have this fruiting Ed ?

I have the trunciflora still years away from fruit .

Really curious about the coronata .

Grimal, the "Reticent Plantsman" !!

One of the greats, probably my favorite fruit collector to hear stories about...a retired engineer...of German descent (?)...who was an amazing plant collector.

That is why I always call the M. spirito-santensis "Grimal"...and not fuzzy...out of respect for Adolf...who introduced this species in to USA.

( I found a neat forum thread about Grimal's property, http://www.city-data.com/forum/miami/792918-bizarre-house-west-homestead-2.html   kind of funny to hear )

[FlyingFoxFruits]

a quote from a person on another forum about Grimal...(taken from the link in my previous post)

"thats the one. adolf grimal was the guys's name. hes sort of the a mystery man in the tropical fruit circles in south florida. lived sort of a hermit existence. he spent so much time on his own that it would take a few minutes for him to formulate an answer when you asked him a question because he lived life at his own pace. he used calipers when grafting and his grafts were of mechanical precision. ive been trying to preserve some of the trees on the property for a long time now but that cold front winter before last really did a number on them. there are a few trees there that are rare even internationally. one is from an unknown location in the philippines and another is from the jungles of borneo. fortunately there are a number of specimens in hawaii as well now. our climate is less than ideal for these special trees. there is also a forgotten tree i believe may exist at the kampong, a very rare fruit from the middle of the congo. not sure if its still there after that cold though or where it exists on the property. "

another quote from the same person,

"this is true. maybe someday south florida will stop being dysfunctional enough to preserve these properties. there is a fascinating property in the keys too that was originally run by a retired engineer from chicago who set up a series of cisterns and pumps to irrigate the island to grow tropical fruit from southeast asia in the frost free conditions of the florida keys. he originally moved there to do 3D underwater photography of an offshore reef but caught the tropical fruit bug. i still wish i someone knew how the whole thing operated. now its essentially just a mosquito factory."

[edself65]

Great info Adam! I agree it should be called Grimal not Fuzzy or fuzy! Dogs and cats are fuzzy.

I am not familiar with the name ' Grimal ' , googling i find it is the spiritosantensis , who is Grimal  ?

Do you have this fruiting Ed ?

I have the trunciflora still years away from fruit .

Really curious about the coronata .

Grimal, the "Reticent Plantsman" !!

One of the greats, probably my favorite fruit collector to hear stories about...a retired engineer...of German descent (?)...who was an amazing plant collector.

That is why I always call the M. spirito-santensis "Grimal"...and not fuzzy...out of respect for Adolf...who introduced this species in to USA.

( I found a neat forum thread about Grimal's property, http://www.city-data.com/forum/miami/792918-bizarre-house-west-homestead-2.html   kind of funny to hear )

[fruitlovers]

How do you know that Grimal is the one that introduced the sprito-santensis to USA?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

How do you know that Grimal is the one that introduced the sprito-santensis to USA?

the name Grimal had already been given to this species (which in FL, was at first thought of more as a cultivar, rather than a separate species).  All of the old FL fruit growers give him credit for being the one to introduce it... Here is an article that references it.  http://www.fshs.org/Proceedings/Password%20Protected/2006%20v.%20119/FSHS%20119/p.066-68.pdf

and of course he also had a beautiful fruiting tree on his property, before anyone else in the USA.

[ScottR]

I am not familiar with the name ' Grimal ' , googling i find it is the spiritosantensis , who is Grimal  ?

Do you have this fruiting Ed ?

I have the trunciflora still years away from fruit .

Really curious about the coronata .

Grimal, the "Reticent Plantsman" !!

One of the greats, probably my favorite fruit collector to hear stories about...a retired engineer...of German descent (?)...who was an amazing plant collector.

That is why I always call the M. spirito-santensis "Grimal"...and not fuzzy...out of respect for Adolf...who introduced this species in to USA.

( I found a neat forum thread about Grimal's property, http://www.city-data.com/forum/miami/792918-bizarre-house-west-homestead-2.html   kind of funny to hear )

Very interesting Dude this A. Grimal and his place sounds like it was the place at one time, thanks for posting.

[Mike T]

Grimals have been in Australia a while but have always been called large leafed or fuzzy jaboticaba.They fruit more quickly than sabara.

[fruitlovers]

Grimals have been in Australia a while but have always been called large leafed or fuzzy jaboticaba.They fruit more quickly than sabara.

Do you know who or how they were introduced into Australia?

Why aren't they called Grimal in Australia then?

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Probably via Grimal to Whitman to Don Gray or one of his homeboys.

[Mike T]

Whitman had contacts here and they did some swapsies.Don Gray (eg whitman and the Gray abiu in florida and the whitman fiberless soursop here) was one but there were others.While grimals and sabaras came a long time ago,jaboticabas hit the wall after that.This jaboticaba backwater will no doubt strut the plinia stage before too long.

[fruitlovers]

Whitman had contacts here and they did some swapsies.Don Gray (eg whitman and the Gray abiu in florida and the whitman fiberless soursop here) was one but there were others.While grimals and sabaras came a long time ago,jaboticabas hit the wall after that.This jaboticaba backwater will no doubt strut the plinia stage before too long.

I think maybe the jaboticabas hit the wall because a lot of your compatriots didn't know until very recently that anything exists in world of jaboticabas besides large leafed and small leafed jaboticaba.

[Mike T]

Even fruit enthusiast campatriots still have not had a jaboticaba awakening.

[fruitlovers]

Even fruit enthusiast campatriots still have not had a jaboticaba awakening.

Yes, and it's the same here in Yanklandia for the most part. I think Adam is one of the few here attempting to correct this severe jaboticaba deprivation.

[Pan Dulce]

Seems like a Brazil trip needs to be planned during the Jabo Fest. I met a guy at TREC last summer who was from the very city and when I asked him about the festivals, he went glassy eyed and said words don't descibe it. 

[fruitlovers]

Seems like a Brazil trip needs to be planned during the Jabo Fest. I met a guy at TREC last summer who was from the very city and when I asked him about the festivals, he went glassy eyed and said words don't descibe it.

You got that right! I'd love to go to one of those. There are several towns in Brazil that have jaboticaba festivals. I guess the largest one is in town of Sabara?