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American robin for me. They will gorge themselves on whatever fruit is available, berries being their favorites. They can get underneath the netting on a lot of stuff too and go to town before casually exiting beneath the nets. So very frustrating to put efforts into keeping them out and they still get around it!

Lately I've just accepted I need to bag stuff if I want to enjoy it and then further, I need to accept losses to birds if I want to not be totally stressed all the time.

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The "Orange Cherry of the Rio Grande (Eugenia involucrata)" are those pictures of your fruit? Do they taste the same as the standard Cherry of the Rio Grande?

My orange CORG doesn't taste like CORG. It is pure sweet, no sour, mild, not really complex at all, pumpkin'y kind of outro.

It's pleasant but nothing earth shattering.

EDIT: I guess I should clarify. I bought my seeds three years ago as eugenia laranja. I don't know if it's an orange CORG per se, it's orange and looks like it though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical fruit in Pot
« on: August 03, 2022, 04:33:38 PM »
Eugenias. Cherry of the Rio Grande, Eugenia Calycina, Pitanga / surinam cherry, etc.

Mine is about 6' tall and in a wine barrel, and is 9+ years old. In that time, I've gotten less than 20 fruits.
It's in a semi shady spot. Do you have any tips for what I can do to increase the yield?

Thanks,

Graft another type onto it or find it a friend. Mine produced poorly til I grafted Ben's Beaut, ScottR's, and put an El Dorado seedling beside it. Was overwhelmed with abundant fruit this year off of my main one. The El Dorado flowered for first year and produced probably 20 fruits at 3 years old. I also grafted Kevin Jones garnet onto it.

They are easy to graft, cleft is fine. I am 100% success rate on grafting it, never had one fail. I think the healing / shedding bark aspect makes things easier or something.

Mine are both in unrelenting full sun, 100f+, and also take below 30f annually.

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How does well does the red and yellow coffee beans grow for you? I've been hesitant to grow coffee due to the cold tolerance. Should I give these beans a shot?

Coffee is fine in 9b for me. My greenhouse doesn't quite freeze, but nearly. There are many coffee plants out in the open here in Santa Barbara. I know a guy with 5 acres of 10 year old plants and in that time they've certainly been hit with mild frosts.

I would protect them only if below 32f for prolonged periods and when young.

My single seed grown plant is now about 3' tall and flowering for the first time, probably 3 years old.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why no Subtropical folder/category?
« on: August 02, 2022, 01:27:20 PM »
Rather than divide it into Sub tropical or Tropical, I would vote to add regional forums so we could better share local tips and importantly, develop better links locally. Nothing better than getting people to come visit or visiting someone else's property! I would love to link up more with growers in CA. Brad is doing great stuff with this local Fruit Parties in SD.

I could not disagree more. The masthead of Tropical Fruit Forum says "Uniting Growers Worldwide!" I cannot see anything that regional sections would do other than to divide growers and make the site harder to use. Someone from Florida might miss out on avocado growing tips because the thread was created in the California regional section and vice versa. Fruit parties and other get togethers are able to be posted on the site already, for everyone to read and to attend if they are close enough and have the desire to do so.

Not to say that we wouldn't continue with a "General" discussion, but simply adding other areas wouldn't hurt. My opinion, anyways.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical fruit in Pot
« on: August 02, 2022, 01:21:10 PM »
Eugenias. Cherry of the Rio Grande, Eugenia Calycina, Pitanga / surinam cherry, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why no Subtropical folder/category?
« on: August 01, 2022, 07:24:57 PM »
Rather than divide it into Sub tropical or Tropical, I would vote to add regional forums so we could better share local tips and importantly, develop better links locally. Nothing better than getting people to come visit or visiting someone else's property! I would love to link up more with growers in CA. Brad is doing great stuff with this local Fruit Parties in SD.

It seems to me, as others have echoed, that there are very few truly tropical growers on here and it's mostly a The "Sub Tropical Fruit Forum" with tropical guests. I would say the average zone is 9b on here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: July 30, 2022, 03:41:35 PM »





Got tired of waiting for the yangmei roots to come back and was worried I would lose the plant. Risked it and grafted the plant up to californica. It’s in the shade in my greenhouse now.

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Socalbalcony and I went. It was cool, but pretty disorganized and commercialized. Richard Campbells presentation was nice, as was the garden.

Buying anything mango or tree wise was crazy. Hour long line up. We got some mangoes, but lots of waiting around for them.

Worth it overall

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: July 29, 2022, 01:55:23 PM »
Okay, thanks.  It wouldn't be straight coco coir, mixed with perlite and bark, which I think helps drain better (something like gardener's ground cover bark, or orchid fine bark, or kellogg garden soil / recycled forest products, whichever is on sale).

Coco coir is not soil, it's a medium. It is problematic especially for calcium and magnesium as it doesn't hold these very well. I recommend against coir personally unless you are religious about, and understand, either top dressed amendments or liquid nutrients.

I would just re-pot your plants into fresh potting soil in plastic pots and call it a day - don't forget to keep on top of watering them.

Pineapples are not a permanent fixture in the pot like a tree or something. 2-3 years from now, probably in the compost heap after getting your pineapple.

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I'd prune it right back to the lower growth. I was very brutal to my white sapote and it seemed to only make it stronger.

If it really gets bad you can also bark graft it, I had almost 100% success with that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: July 28, 2022, 03:05:24 PM »
I will never use fabric grow bags again for anything that lives longer than 6 months. They end up making soil hydrophobic really quick and sounds like the issue you're having. Plastic pots only for me!

I'd pull the whole root ball out, bang off what you can and then re-pot into plastic. My pineapples are in 7g square pots, doing well.

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I had a few green sapote seedlings, one really nice one that was getting some branching going then it died during winter randomly. I think they really want to be in the ground, not in pots.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New tropical fruit gardener
« on: July 27, 2022, 08:16:58 PM »
Try out Farwellfruitfarm.com for grumichama seeds - they also have many other species. They're cheap.

Michigan is cold so you'll need to grow these species indoors as soon as you're getting into about 40f. I would read up on grow tents, LED lights, etc as well if you really want success in your climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: July 27, 2022, 07:03:33 PM »
I just put manure down around most of my orchard and uncaged the Yangmeis for a bit to put some poo on em, they sure are looking good!
Took a picture of the Crystal that I had grafted up, it's grown quite a bit.  They really explode when they get in the ground. This tree is planted right where I had done a big burn pile earlier in the year.




Is that on californica?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 27, 2022, 06:39:10 PM »








Overall really happy with the plants. They are easy to take care of for the most part. Got some really bad rust on that purple haze but cosmic charlie is a champ for health. Dark Star is ok but gets really shrivelled up, if I get some energy I'll up pot it to 45 gallon - it's on the stand closest to the house. 

Not shown is the whole asunta stand, which also has a frankie's red on it and I added another stalk of asunta to make it mostly an asunta stand.

There is also one other stand with Isis and baby cerrado but the dark star stand fell over on to it and really damaged the Isis stalk. It did grow above the damaged area but it's not very vigorous so I may just cut it back to below the damage. Baby cerrado is growing really well after a hard winter. I think it's way more frost sensitive.

I had a really nice natural mystic but it died at the roots - maybe frost don't know. It's in the DF graveyard now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 27, 2022, 06:35:43 PM »


Asunta, can't recall the number



Purple Haze



Cosmic charlie

My Df are hitting really hard this year.

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I have this problem with many tropical plants in ground and believe it is due to alkalinity and nutrient lock out. Tropical species, for the most part, seem to appreciate acidic soil conditions - something I cannot provide at my house due to being on ancient seabed that is high in calcium. My well water is extremely alkaline as well.

Check your water and soil PH. I would guess it's quite alkaline as well.

I wish we could tell which nutrients are lacking... Indeed the water pH is also in the 7-8

I think an analysis of what nutrients you have in both soil and water will be worthwhile. For me, my well is extremely high in manganese, to the point of toxicity, so that's an issue for some plants.

Agree with others that more mulch, organic matter, water, and probably shade is going to help.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: July 26, 2022, 05:01:56 PM »
Hey how’s everyone’s Yangmei doing?
I recently planted this an hai in ground. I was going to sell it to a gentleman in FL, but the deal fell through when I couldn’t find a big enough box. Plus the leaves turned a bit brown…
I checked the roots and there are no signs of RKN at all. The roots that had galls rotted off and died. Now all I see are new white and brown mature roots. I decided to plant in ground.
Based off my research it seems this can survive here.
The plants are healthy and I saw little white feeder roots.



Just to be safe, I planted this away from my plants even though I think there is no RKN now. I’ll keep treating and will follow up with beneficial nematodes to seal the deal. Even if they spread, in this climate and soil, the damage will be minimal.

In zone 7b? What will you do to protect it?

On my end, my yangmei is totally parked and not moving at all so I'm just going to graft it onto some californica and call it a day. The Californicas are growing very fast and I will miss the window of rootstock diameter to yangmei branch diameter if I wait too long.

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I have this problem with many tropical plants in ground and believe it is due to alkalinity and nutrient lock out. Tropical species, for the most part, seem to appreciate acidic soil conditions - something I cannot provide at my house due to being on ancient seabed that is high in calcium. My well water is extremely alkaline as well.

Check your water and soil PH. I would guess it's quite alkaline as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How close can I plant avocado trees?
« on: July 26, 2022, 01:28:51 PM »
Fence will actually deter. Camera isn't that helpful. Sure, you may get their license plate or photos / videos of their face... but the police ain't going to follow up on fruit theft. If you really care about the fruit, fence it off.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Golden Berry
« on: July 26, 2022, 01:26:44 PM »
I have been finding that they don't really grow that well off the same shoot a year or two later. I've been tearing out the old ones as new ones appear and that seems to work well. Maybe I'm doing it totally wrong or something but I get way better production and growth off new shoots. They are spreading everywhere on my property, even busting right through the asphalt driveway!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple Guava propogation
« on: July 25, 2022, 12:55:29 PM »
Cleft grafting is basically 100% success rate for me. Buy cheap nursery style rootstocks and then graft with known good quality. I bought scions from Fruitwood nursery. Grafted if I recall correctly, in June and they worked fine - though I'm sure early spring is better.

Home Depot has named varieties here in CA: nazemetz, coolidge.

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It sounds like you have a lot of plants and this is overly complex using emitters / micro sprinklers for each and every plant. In areas with density, just use a spinner like Brad is suggesting. They really soak a big area real quick. Fine for a bunch of trees in a lawn like area.

You will have a ridiculous amount of maintenance with 100 emitters. I'm managing maybe 40 emitters and it's a lot, almost requiring daily viewing of them running, adjusting them open to clear blockages then back to proper spray, losing caps due to over pressure, etc

My experience recently when my well coughed up manganese chunks is that drippers can be just as much a curse as blessing because I had to go and uncap each and everyone to clear the blockages...

Don't take a long trip expecting everything will be perfect on your return. I am leaning more and more to using spinners for my densely planted areas!

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Mine flowered much earlier this year and looks like they'll be ready for September or around there. Usually they are a fruit that is in the winter for me, November to January which is really nice.

Very cold hardy tough plant, doesn't blink in the mid 20s.

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