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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 05, 2012, 03:00:55 PM
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I am growing a few now.
I've been collecting reticulatas and other annonas of interest...with hopes of compatibility for pollination.
Have one from Belize, with yellow fruits (supposedly)
one with red fruits like the one posted before from Israel (grafts pushing nicely, but could still fail..have 4 grafts pushing well, so chances are, this one is here to stay)
Have a few others that I forget the characteristics of, but need to confer with the persons I got them from...a few could be variants of reticulata, rather than crosses.
What else can members add to this annona thread?
I know you all want to eat them...so why not comment!
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We call them bullocks hearts here and they cop alot of bad press and predjudice here.They are no smooth fleshed sweet ones with full flavour that can compete with the finest types of sugar apples and atemoyas.I wonder if we are just the shallow end of the pool and there are really excellent quality types that can hold their own with more glamorous congenors?
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Northern Guatemala and northern Belize have excellent Annona reticulata varieties: creamy, aromatic, strawberry-and-cream flavor, large size, extremely high ratio of pulp toseed / skin / core, and gorgeous colors. They are the result of thousands of years of informal fruit improvement by the Mayans. All the good ones I have tasted were introduced from that very limited area, but they must be grown under good conditions. I have tasted many really bad reticulatas, including from good trees that had been neglected or subjected to climate extremes.
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My climate would be very similar to that of Belize so I bet they would do alright at my place.
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here is one of two fruiting seedling hybrid reticulatas from Bellize.
These hybrids are still flowering without showing signs of stopping...and I'm surprised by how compact and small the tree has remained (even though I stepped it up into a 15 gal this year, from a 7 gal).
I am definitely trying make these fruits hold on, so as a result these reticulata hybrids will end up in a greenhouse.
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Adam your plant looks to be in great shape. Let us know when you make those available.
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Adam,
What was the hybridization of these? Hand-pollination of A. reticulata X A. reticulata?
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not sure Har!
but I think you may be right.
It has distinct leaves that I can only match to the trees labeled as hybrid reticulata at fruit and spice park.
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I think this is the tree labeled at fruit and spice park as a hybird reticulata, that's somewhat like my tree.
The tree seems a bit compact?
oh...and also there is a photo of a green sapote fruit that I'm sure someone stole..but it wasn't ready yet..it always pisses me off when people steal fruits like mamey and green sapote...they are just too slow to ripen,, and too rare in some cases) any how, the tree was only about 6 ft tall..so it was promising to a container grower like me to see such a sight.
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Adam the first picture is what Mike T called bulllocks heart from the bahamas brown fruit gritty second picture red fruit light pink and white inside creamy no grit third franandez fourth san pablo
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treesnmore,
if the forum only knew how amazing your collection is! u r on my list of places to visit asap!
it was great to meet u and your wife!
I wish all plant collectors had taste as good as yours.
come visit anytime amigo ! can't wait to trade scions next year.
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Thank you Adam. I think you like my colection of annons ,jaboticaba and sapodilla.
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Annona reticulata (hybrid I think) from Belize, that was collected in Spring of 2008, which makes my two trees about 4yrs old.
They are in 15 gallon pots, and about 4.5 ft tall.
My trees have been flowering for quite a long time now, and it seems like longer than other Annonas I grow. I believe the first flowers formed in July, and have been continually popping up since.
I've not been hand pollinating the tree, and it sets about 1/5 flowers by itself. The ants and aphids only inhabit the flowers, (which smell amazingly sweet) and I'm certain they aid in pollination. I hope they stick around for years to come...they don't seem to hurt anything.
I am SO EAGER TO TASTE THIS FRUIT! Based upon the description, being super sweet, and green/yellow skinned, I think it will be an excellent type...for some reason the green/yellow skinned ones I hear are the best!!! (I think I know the reason, but that's a whole different thread!)
It will be the first reticulata (hybrid or not) that I've ever grown.
Please wish me luck, and send some positive thoughts and energy my way.
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Adam,
Congrats, I love the way the fruit is looking. Can't wait to see other pictures.
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I will make a grafted tree, or save a few seeds for you (if it's a good tasting fruit, and if you want to grow it).
I suppose the first fruit may be ready to harvest in late March, or April.
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The flowers do have a sweet smell, and yes i think the ants help in pollination. I know that bees have a hard time getting to the middle of the flower...so the ants are better...
I only have two Green Annona Squammosas....So don't have much expertise in the others.. But i love eating them all..:)
Your fruit looks beautiful... i can't wait to see what it'll look like as it grows. I wish you a ton of luck.. And hope you get tons more... :)
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Excitement grows annonas in the spring.
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Mike,
how big is your fruiting reticulata??
I'm wondering how different the fruit quality will be from mine?
looks like they're almost identical in terms of foliage.
thanks for sharing the pics
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It is about 10 feet the first picture I posted in this thread.
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have u tasted or seen the fruits of that tree before?
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No this is the first fruit for this one.We hand pollenated it. hope it holds the fruit
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Best of luck, Adam, bringing these fruits to maturity. Be careful of the dreaded chalsid fly. Reticulata is renowned as the over winter home of the chalsid fly larvae. Hopefully, they won't get wind of your fruiting success as far north as you are.
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Best of luck, Adam, bringing these fruits to maturity. Be careful of the dreaded chalsid fly. Reticulata is renowned as the over winter home of the chalsid fly larvae. Hopefully, they won't get wind of your fruiting success as far north as you are.
Harry,
thanks for the kind wishes, and wise advice.
for some reason the chalcid wasp hasn't got established by me.
for now my annonas have been wasp free.
the trees are also in a greenhouse now, so that will further protect them.
I'm just praying for a mild winter, but either way I'm thankful for what I have, to protect.
No this is the first fruit for this one.We hand pollenated it. hope it holds the fruit
I hope it holds the fruit as well! that thing is set for sure. and your tree looks great, very healthy.
keep it above 35-38F, out of the wind, and humid, if possible!
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I looked through the Annona sections at the Fruit and Spice Park about six weeks ago, and didn't see anything un-reticulata-ish about the the supposed reticulata hybrids' leaves or young fruit.
Annona reticulata is a very variable species:
Some varieties have wide and wavy leaves, some have longer, very narrow and straight leaves.
Some varieties have 3-5 flowers per cluster, some have up to 17!
Some have relatively wide and flattened seeds, some have very narrow, long seeds.
Skin color is just about any color of the rainbow except blue.
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Thanks for your contribution to this thread Har.
it's most appreciated.
in other words, are you implying these reticulata are most likely hybrids of two separate variations of the same species?
I looked through the Annona sections at the Fruit and Spice Park about six weeks ago, and didn't see anything un-reticulata-ish about the the supposed reticulata hybrids' leaves or young fruit.
Annona reticulata is a very variable species:
Some varieties have wide and wavy leaves, some have longer, very narrow and straight leaves.
Some varieties have 3-5 flowers per cluster, some have up to 17!
Some have relatively wide and flattened seeds, some have very narrow, long seeds.
Skin color is just about any color of the rainbow except blue.
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Probably.
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I had always thought a hybrid was comprised of two species, but hadn't considered crosses between varieties of the same species as being hybrids.
Now I see things in a new light.
Thanks again for the info.
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I had always thought a hybrid was comprised of two species, but hadn't considered crosses between varieties of the same species as being hybrids.
Now I see things in a new light.
Thanks again for the info.
If both parents are from the same species it is not an hybrid. By that definition, almost everything would be an hybrid, except
the progeny of the same clone or from self-pollination...
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Siafu,
That's what I thought.
So between your suggestion and Har's, it seems like Fruit and Spice Park has a few mislabeled plants in their collection. (we all do! because all the names will soon change ;D )
Of course it would be an annona. ;D
and also, they need someone to walk through and properly identify some of the Myrciarias/Plinias, and Garcinias.
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Siafu's definition is true for naturally-occurring hybrids.
An additional usage occurs when humans go to the trouble of planning the breeding of plants, which are then called hybrids, regardless of how closely or distantly related the parents of these plants were. I'm sure you can recall having eaten hybrid corn and hybrid tomatoes, which, in most cases, were not a mix of different species.
We speak of interspecific hybrids and of intraspecific hybrids.
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Once again,
thanks for your wisdom Har.
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http://era.deedi.qld.gov.au/1653/6/5probcus.pdf (http://era.deedi.qld.gov.au/1653/6/5probcus.pdf)
This is a great site about Anonna's. I just drop it here, it is really a good site. Custard Apple information kit.
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Hybrids are just crosses between genetically distant types and you should have descriptor before it to say what sort.There are intergeneric hybrids,interspecific hybrids and intraspecific hybrids.By the original species definition cross species hybrids are mules and infertile and this shows in the proportion of non-viable pollen as well.The species definition is diferrent these days especially for edible plants/fruits and we'd have to go on a lumpathon to make it true.
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MikeT,
That's how I remember it, from back in my Biology days in college.
But to throw a monkey wrench into the equation, A. squamosa and A. cherimola, make the hybrid Atemoya, which is capable of reproduction by seed, (although highly variable, they are viable).
Always an exception to the rule, and this exception further blurs the lines between distinct species, variations of the same species, and fertile hybrids (behaving like a species).
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Siafu's definition is true for naturally-occurring hybrids.
An additional usage occurs when humans go to the trouble of planning the breeding of plants, which are then called hybrids, regardless of how closely or distantly related the parents of these plants were. I'm sure you can recall having eaten hybrid corn and hybrid tomatoes, which, in most cases, were not a mix of different species.
We speak of interspecific hybrids and of intraspecific hybrids.
You are right. Hybrid seed usually refers to a special variety combining the traits of two different parents
of the same species. I kind of automatically associate them with something that does not breed true, or is even
seedless.
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I use a play on words to express a different view which is only rarely practical to implement:
a GENUS is a group of species that can ENGENDER interspecific hybrids.
So if two species can be bred to produce viable offspring, whether or not these are mules, that is an argument for considering them as being part of one genus, and if they can't, an argument against.
In most cases there is still no information about breedability, so we are stuck with genus classifications based entirely on appearance, same as with species.
Genetic testing is a new addition to clarifying relatedness.
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Surprise!
One of the two seedlings from Belize has a red fruit, and one has a green fruit!
I wonder what the chances of getting both are? Probably higher than I think. I'm happy to have both colors.
The red fruited one is still flowering and setting fruits, the green one has less action now, just one nice fruit set so far.
I bet the green one will taste better ;D it always seems to work that way for some reason.
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Nice pictures.
I prefer the red ones usually also, for looks and flavor. However, for hardiness to soils and weather, green and yellow ones seem to have the edge.
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The red fruit is beautiful! Please keep us updated about the eating quality ;)
How old are those seedlings?
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about 5-6 yrs old. I will have to double check.
thanks Felipe!
i will be sure to share an honest report about the fruits quality.
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Adam I ended up with four fruit on two trees no reds
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Treesnmore,
Now that I know we have fruits, I'm wondering about the rest of the Reticulatas in the state.
Where can I find some good custard apple fruits to eat? The only time I've purchased one, was from Robert is here, mislabeled as an Illama. The fruit was way overpriced, but was very pretty, and tasted nice (not superb). I had to avoid the ones with obvious scars from the chalcid wasps ovipositor.
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Adam I have a friend that gets a bunch I will check his trees this week they are ok .My san pablo is the best I have ever tasted no fruit this year. Fernandaz is prettier but not as good
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Oh I forgot! I should have just updated the time lapse! here it is anyhow!
Sept 6th
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Nov 17th
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Dec 5th
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Jan 5th
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Feb 15th
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April 9th
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Nice progress and update, Adam. I think you are a bit premature on your eating estimate though. Reticulata is usually no earlier than a late winter to early spring fruit. As I recall, the flower to fruit time period runs at least 9-10 months. By the size and appearance of the fruit, yours seems to be a later rather than an earlier fruit. I might be wrong, I hope so for the sake of your patience. But don't be surprised if yours aren't ready until very late spring. I am betting on a May eating.....possibly into early June. Cue Carly Simon's "Anticipation."
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Thanks very much for the info Harry!!
I was thinking my fruit might be a real runt, but it may gain some more size after all.
I bet you are right about the estimated time of harvest.
Nice progress and update, Adam. I think you are a bit premature on your eating estimate though. Reticulata is usually no earlier than a late winter to early spring fruit. As I recall, the flower to fruit time period runs at least 9-10 months. By the size and appearance of the fruit, yours seems to be a later rather than an earlier fruit. I might be wrong, I hope so for the sake of your patience. But don't be surprised if yours aren't ready until very late spring. I am betting on a May eating.....possibly into early June. Cue Carly Simon's "Anticipation."
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I don't think its a hybrid, but it is a reticulata!
Here is the vinho tinto, holding up nicely.
I'm fixin' to graft some later this year.
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'San Pablo' is often ripe in February or March. Most others are later, on through May.
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Har San Pablo is the best I have tasted what named variety do you like I have a nice annona colection and always like to add to it.
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I miss the ants and aphids that were all over the flowers of the reticulatas! I think they used to help pollinate, but now they are all gone. The ants used to go inside of the flowers, as you'll see in the second blurry picture. I bet there was 100 ants in one flower. That should stir things up right?
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(http://s9.postimage.org/ffzyxd0xn/9_16_2012_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ffzyxd0xn/)
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here is the red fruited seedling reticulata, still growing...and has handled some crazy high temps in the greenhouse...about 110F. I'm impressed that the fruits didn't abort or split.
It's also nice to see the tree is in a pot, and still small, with fruits so big!
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Nice! Coming right along. Yikes, your temps in your green house make hot house the more descriptive term. It is a really good looking tree. I am very curious to see what the fruit looks like inside and, more importantly, how the eating experience is.
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thanks Harry.
I will be curious to see how this one tastes! I'll make sure to give an honest report with lots of pics!
I've had only one reticulata fruit, and it was a 3 pounder (red fleshed) from Robert is here. I paid like $14 for the fruit! But recouped my $$ by planting seeds. ;D
It was very beautiful, but the texture was mealy, and it wasn't super sweet. but I'd do it all over again...the fruit was pretty good regardless. Im really interested in finding superior types of reticulata!
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I've generally experienced reticulatas that were sort of mediocre in texture and flavor......much better looking than eating. I had one that was superior up at Excalibur years ago. I believe it came from a tree on the southern side of Wilson's original property. Not sure what variety it was, but I thought it was quite good and worth growing.
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Pictures of the various red custard apples (These are not from my yard):
Fernandez red custard apple:
(http://s14.postimage.org/mu96e6vbh/fernandez1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mu96e6vbh/)
Fernandez red custard apple:
(http://s9.postimage.org/c7x3g7zej/fernandez2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/c7x3g7zej/)
San Pablo red custard apple:
(http://s7.postimage.org/r3xdo0tk7/sanpablo1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/r3xdo0tk7/)
San Pablo red custard apple:
(http://s7.postimage.org/fu4nt2oiv/sanpablo2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fu4nt2oiv/)
San Pablo red custard apple:
(http://s2.postimage.org/3p51djk05/sanpablo3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3p51djk05/)
Fernandez red custard apple (left) and San Pablo red custard apple (right):
(http://s9.postimage.org/uxtoaphiz/sanpabloandfernandez.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uxtoaphiz/)
Sarteneja red custard apple:
(http://s7.postimage.org/4i6azw0x3/sarteneja1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4i6azw0x3/)
Sarteneja red custard apple:
(http://s9.postimage.org/3sc4cglx7/sarteneja2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3sc4cglx7/)
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Gorgeous fruit, Adiel. How was the eating quality?
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Harry, I have two red custard apple trees but both are young and have not fruited yet. I would like to add Sarteneja to my collection just because the fruit looks so nice. :)
Adam, great thread and thank you for taking the time to post pictures and updates of your red custard apples (Annona reticulata).
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FYI,
I am totally amazed at how resilient these trees are to cold temps (they are like a sugar apple almost, maybe a bit more sensitive).
Also I'm shocked by how tolerant they are of extreme temps, highs and lows...I figured the fruits would have split or dropped a long time ago...but these trees have held up in harsh conditions, where many other tropical species have suffered.
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I've generally experienced reticulatas that were sort of mediocre in texture and flavor......much better looking than eating. I had one that was superior up at Excalibur years ago. I believe it came from a tree on the southern side of Wilson's original property. Not sure what variety it was, but I thought it was quite good and worth growing.
My favorite way of eating both reticulatas and cherimoyas is in champola. Take the fruit and put it in a colander and push as much as you can through. Throw away the seeds and then take both the strained juice and flesh and what is left in the colander (minus seeds) and mix it with whole milk. Delicious!!!!
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Thanks to Edself65 for giving me this protective bag for my annonas...It will help keep it protected from rats.
The fruits are growing nicely...with the red tree being more productive so far. It set a pair of fruits quite late in the season, I was surprised...I hadn't really hand pollinated them at all.
here's the tree with red fruits
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(http://s7.postimage.org/e8vlgz32v/2_15_13_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e8vlgz32v/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/ro7cnvwtb/2_15_13_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ro7cnvwtb/)
(http://s18.postimage.org/xee3nb8md/2_15_13_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xee3nb8md/)
and the green fruited tree
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I may have to correct my time prediction about eating date. Looks like it will be no later than April. I don't think May is the month. Nice update.
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Thanks to Edself65 for giving me this protective bag for my annonas...It will help keep it protected from rats.
The fruits are growing nicely...with the red tree being more productive so far. It set a pair of fruits quite late in the season, I was surprised...I hadn't really hand pollinated them at all.
here's the tree with red fruits
(http://s8.postimage.org/5c68xdzs1/2_15_13_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5c68xdzs1/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/e8vlgz32v/2_15_13_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e8vlgz32v/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/ro7cnvwtb/2_15_13_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ro7cnvwtb/)
(http://s18.postimage.org/xee3nb8md/2_15_13_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xee3nb8md/)
and the green fruited tree
(http://s8.postimage.org/jrsra1275/2_15_13_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jrsra1275/)
Hey Adam, the green one is a reticulata too right? Do you know a source for green reticulata seeds? or yellow?
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David,
yes both are reticulatas, they're two seeds from the same fruit, which was green/yellow.
I'm not sure of a source...maybe treesnmore!!! I will have some as well, but u might get red or green fruit.
I think the green one will be yellow when it's ripe.
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Thanks to Edself65 for giving me this protective bag for my annonas...It will help keep it protected from rats.
The fruits are growing nicely...with the red tree being more productive so far. It set a pair of fruits quite late in the season, I was surprised...I hadn't really hand pollinated them at all.
here's the tree with red fruits
(http://s8.postimage.org/5c68xdzs1/2_15_13_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5c68xdzs1/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/e8vlgz32v/2_15_13_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/e8vlgz32v/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/ro7cnvwtb/2_15_13_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ro7cnvwtb/)
(http://s18.postimage.org/xee3nb8md/2_15_13_006.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xee3nb8md/)
and the green fruited tree
(http://s8.postimage.org/jrsra1275/2_15_13_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/jrsra1275/)
congradulation Adam, the chirimoyas looks great! show us an update when the fruits ripens.
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Hahaha!
thanks brood man dough man!
I mean dude man bro man.
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something interesting I noticed about one of the A. reticulatas (the red fruited one, I call "kimber Red" for now)...one of the smaller fruits looked like it was slightly shriveled...and I squeezed it to test the firmness...it was just barely rubbery. The larger older fruit on the same tree, has never been shriveled or soft at all, it's always been like a rock. I thought the smaller fruit might get soft and fall off, or rot at the stem...but the fruit was perfectly fine the next time I checked, a few days later. It must have been the unusually high temps of my greenhouse. I really am super impressed by how tough the reticulatas are....but I'm worried they won't be sweet...and they'll be mealy, and seedy! :(
I like to hope for the best, but expect the worst. And, I must say...waiting for your first fruit to ripen is a painful process. It's been almost 3/4 of a year, and it still looks like its a month away. I bet after the cold weather has been gone for a few weeks, the fruit will finally be ready to harvest.
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Thanks for the update. This cooler weather seems to set everything into slow motion. It really does try your patience...what little patience we have anyway. I don't think that shriveling is a good sign. I am no expert on harvesting reticulata. I assume it is supposed to be harvested before there is any softening of the fruit on the tree, but after full maturity and then ripened fully off the tree like cherimoyas. Does anyone know for sure? I am sure Har can help us here.
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I have normally picked Annona reticulata when they begin to soften--- I have never picked them for shipping.
Some can be picked on the basis of skin color change.
Be aware that a rubbery type of fruit "softness" is fruit wilting from drought. Water the tree!
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I have normally picked Annona reticulata when they begin to soften--- I have never picked them for shipping.
Some can be picked on the basis of skin color change.
Be aware that a rubbery type of fruit "softness" is fruit wilting from drought. Water the tree!
Thanks for the info Har!
The trees were watered, but kept in extreme heat...which helped the fruit shrivel and get soft. The good news is the fruit bounced right back...and is growing perfectly.
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I think the fruit has been set for about 8-9 months! It's like waiting for a newborn child. I've been counting the minutes (milliseconds).
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Just read this whole thread, my head would have exploded during that wait. Looks good, hopefully eats good too. I haven't had one since 2005 while surfing in Dominical CR. It was a green one and was decent, def need to gorge on some whenever possible.
Curious if Lara Farms has adult size trees on the property? Ian still on this forum, sure you would know
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here are the smaller fruits on the red tree. The one on the left shriveled up, and bounced back! Now it's getting larger...I thought it was a goner!
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the whole tree...crowded, but happy. I'm wondering if its unusual to have a seedling reticulata bearing in such a small pot, and such a short height?
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Unusual.
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Best of luck, Adam, bringing these fruits to maturity. Be careful of the dreaded chalsid fly. Reticulata is renowned as the over winter home of the chalsid fly larvae. Hopefully, they won't get wind of your fruiting success as far north as you are.
Just removed two big A. reticulata trees for this very reason. All the fruits would get routinely stung by chalcid wasp. Also i think from these trees the wasps spread to my other annonas. So it was bye byes, out finally came the chain saw.
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The ones on your tree look delicious. Those red/pink fleshed cultivars look mouthwatering as well. YUUUM!!!!
I never liked reticulatas until I tried the one pictured below. It's from a wild tree growing in full sun on a huge jagged limestone rock. Each season they turn bright red/pink and taste super-sweet, with vanilla and fruity custard overtones. Absolutely no grit, not even near the skin. The seeds are tightly packed around the core, leaving about 1.5~2" of seedless flesh. They get to the size of a small pomelo.
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Amazing looking and sounding fruit. Have you any pictures of the cut open fruit?
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Hi Harry,
If your message was addressed to me, then no. Unfortunately I didn't take any because I was too caught up in the eating process. lol.
I will be sure to document when they come into season again.
For the record, the insides are creamy white and quite plain looking in that aspect. I tasted the seed arils but it was messy (seeds tightly packed) in my opinion and a tiny bit rubbery. Spoon quality flesh and does beat the best of the best of island grown sugar apples.
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That fruit from the limestone outcrop looks very good. Annona reticulata do seem to be at their best in the presence of limestone.
Grafted trees from graftwood brought from outstanding specimens in Central America have often had little resemblance to the original limestone-borne ones, when the grafted plants are grown in nursery soil or in sand.
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Wow Chris! This reticulata looks great! Do you have seeds avaible? From your describtion it looks worth giving a try with seedlings..
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That fruit from the limestone outcrop looks very good. Annona reticulata do seem to be at their best in the presence of limestone.
Grafted trees from graftwood brought from outstanding specimens in Central America have often had little resemblance to the original limestone-borne ones, when the grafted plants are grown in nursery soil or in sand.
interesting, because I've taste very good reticulata in the yucatan. I wonder how they will taste in our soil?
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Guanabanus,
Very keen observation with their performance in limestone. I would never have made the connection--other than knowing they tolerate high PH.
Felipe,
If you're interested in trying out your luck, I'll be sure to offer up seeds (Forum) of the fruit from the exact same wild tree once the season rolls around again.
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It's ripe enough for me to go get a lawn chair, and sit next to the tree, waiting for harvest...like the new ipod.
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Oh and don't forget the green one...it will end up tasting way better than the red... ;D although its smaller fruited so far.
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Oh I forgot! I should have just updated the time lapse! here it is anyhow!
Sept 6th
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Nov 17th
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Dec 5th
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Jan 5th
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Feb 15th
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April 9th
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Nice time lapse!
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Great series of pics for time perspective. Let's see, I originally predicted May as the eating month. Then, updated my prediction to April. In either case, the time is growing much shorter. Its almost time!!! Looking forward to the eating report. Thanks for posting.
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Adao, it looks like ready to harvest. I can't wait to read your review ::)
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Har, Harry, Felipe,
thanks very much!
I hope it will be ready within a few weeks. I'm going to let it get slightly soft on the tree. I'd hate to accidentally pick it too early, and would rather eat a fallen fruit off the floor that's split, and slightly over ripe. I've waited too long to pick the fruit prematurely!
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Har, Harry, Felipe,
thanks very much!
I hope it will be ready within a few weeks. I'm going to let it get slightly soft on the tree. I'd hate to accidentally pick it too early, and would rather eat a fallen fruit off the floor that's split, and slightly over ripe. I've waited too long to pick the fruit prematurely!
Adam great looking fruit, I have eaten a lots of reticulatas and I prefer to let them ripe in a fruit basket or in the kitchen countertop.
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I'm going to let it get slightly soft on the tree. I'd hate to accidentally pick it too early, and would rather eat a fallen fruit off the floor that's split, and slightly over ripe. I've waited too long to pick the fruit prematurely!
I'm with you on this. I would suggest a mesh bag put over the fruit and attached to the branch so that if the fruit decides to fall, you won't lose it to a splat meeting with the ground.
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Harry,
you mean like this? :)
I think I posted this pic before...but here it is again...Edself65 gave me a few of these bags...and they end up on my most prized annonas every time!
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Yep.....many a rare fruit was saved from unwanted ground collisions with such a system. Perfect picking can be so difficult with a fruit tree you are just developing a relationship with. With no margin for error, these bags are a God send.
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here are the final pictures of the fruit.
I didn't have the gall to pick the fruit, even though I think it was ready. There is a noticeable color change, where the whole fruit has a lighter red/pink coloration, and It had a subtle, deliciously sweet annona fruit fragrance...and very slight give when squeezed...I really mean very very slight give! But the fragrance and color change are definite signs of being ready to pick...also if you look at the pic of the whole tree (bottom pic) the fruit is finally hanging downward, instead of horizontally. I guess it's gotten heavy enough to weigh the branch down. Another sign, this one is ready to harvest.
If everything works according to plan, I'll harvest my first ever Annona reticulata fruit tomorrow. Of course I will report on the taste, and fruit quality.
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Beautiful looking fruit. I would pick that baby SAP, before your local rodents line their nest (or their tummies) with it. ;)
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Gorgeous fruit, Adam. Looking forward to your report on flavor / quality.
John
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Love the pics Adam...really nice looking fruit... First Reticulata...:) Congrats...
I've been following the timeline.. so can't wait for the report.. Let us know how the green one does as well, as it was from the same batch of seeds...:)
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Final Time Lapse
Sept 6th
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Nov 17th
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Dec 5th
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Jan 5th
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Feb 15th
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April 9th
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April 18th
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April 19th, Harvested (today)
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Tomorrow I will cut the fruit up and find out if it tastes any good. I'm also curious to see what the color of the flesh is (I'm betting pure white, no pink), how many seeds , and what the texture is like.
Stay tuned!
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Great looking fruit Adam! Can't wait to hear the taste report and see the inside!
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Dont forget to weigh it
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What no comments? In this case, we need the 1000 words.....the pictures only tell half the story.
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Nice! Congrats Adam :)
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Sorry, I had to go back to the fridge for another bite...now I'm ready to type!
I was surprised to see some pink coloration in the flesh. The texture of the fruit is extremely creamy, but near the center, and around the seeds, there are arils that remind me of sugar apple flesh. There's the slightest bit of granular texture in the fruit, the rest is very smooth.
Its a very delicate, and even messy fruit to eat. It did remind me of a strawberry cream, annona flavor. Sweet, but not sweetest annona I've tasted...gefners and lisa atemoyas easily sweeter. Definitely a top notch fruit...wish I had some more, but very thankful to have tasted a good reticulata, fruited in a pot.
I still have another half of the fruit that I'm going to let people taste. I'm curious to see if someone is disgusted by it.
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Yeah I agree ! How did it taste Adam?
What no comments? In this case, we need the 1000 words.....the pictures only tell half the story.
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Nice Adam Its been a long wait. It has a good looking pink color and from what you say good flavor. Are you going to graft a few.
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Nice Adam Its been a long wait. It has a good looking pink color and from what you say good flavor. Are you going to graft a few.
thanks Mike,
yes, I'll graft some, and plant some seeds...I'm wondering if the trees will bear fruits at a small size, even if grafted.
I was impressed by the size of the fruit, it weighed about 2 lbs.
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the yellow reticulata ripened today.
It definitely tasted different than the Red one, and wasn't quite as large. It had a certain green mango, banana, sugar apple flavor. It also had less grit (almost none)...even though the red one had almost none.
I really enjoyed it, but the red one was better.
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my friend hooked me up with some reticulata fruits, and I tried to eat an entire San Pablo...I could only manage to eat half.
I hear this variety is popular because it's a good producer, and the fruit is very colorful...but to be honest, I'm eager to taste some of the harder to find varieties.....the san pablo was delicious, but the texture and taste was not as good as the kimber red fruit.
I need more reticulata fruit!
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I know some people (as Oscar has stated) don't grow this for fear of bringing chalcid fly to other annonas. I love the way they look and even liked the one i had a few years ago from a friend's tree (creamy white inside)....but, i don't really know what i am getting into with chalcid fly. I am fine losing some of the fruit but don't want to be fighting each year to get mummified fruit. Any tips to keep the fruit safe? Can anyone (especially in South FL) share their thoughts?
Also, what cultivars do you like best?...there's very little I could find in the way of flavor reviews.
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Chalcid wasp is a problem with reticulata, but I haven't had much problem with it crossing over to my other annonas, they don't seem to like others one as much as reticulata. Custard apples are worth it! In my humble opinion
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Bag the fruits, when they are the size of a nickel or up to ping-pong ball size, with a bag big enough for the fruit to finish filling out in.
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Bag the fruits, when they are the size of a nickel or up to ping-pong ball size, with a bag big enough for the fruit to finish filling out in.
I wonder why no one there use to do a trap for the fruit flies!
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here is an updated pic of the Kimber Red custard apple...it's in a 25 gal pot, probably ready for a 50 gal.
maybe it will set some fruits, it's flowering now.
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Adam, how is the PR Yellow A. reticulata seedling doing for you?
Here is the PR Yellow you grafted;
A. reticulata, PR Yellow seedling, 1yr in ground
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How is the productivity and taste of the PR yellow and Kimberly red reticulatas?
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Adam, how is the PR Yellow A. reticulata seedling doing for you?
Here is the PR Yellow you grafted;
A. reticulata, PR Yellow seedling, 1yr in ground
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Null,
the PR yellow i got from you is actually a grafted tree.
it's covered in whitefly, but doesn't seem to mind...
I just put it into a 15 gal...
with some luck it could fruit next year.
I'd like to taste this fruit to compare it with the other yellow reticulata I've tasted...(which was a seedling from the same batch as Kimber Red)
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I typo that, I meant to include that it was a grafted from a seedling. Maybe next year you get some fruit set, we can hope :).
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This is a good thread. Thanks for sharing
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Hi u all I have 4 trees of A. Reticulata and I have not had a problem with the wasp , but they seem to love my neighbor's Papayas.
My A. Ret. are thin skin creamy and 99.9% grit free, and with a taste of Sugar Cane juice, to me! Many of the members have gotten seeds from me in the last couple of years, and soon they will be tasting one of the best A. Ret. I have ever tasted. I'm planning on grafting 28 seedlings that I have in Spring, hopefully 2/3 will take for me, I have no ideal what cultivar it is, but it sure is awesome.
Carlos O
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That is a pure Annona reticulata.
This thread is supposed to be about hybrids that are part Annona reticulata and part some other species.
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That is a pure Annona reticulata.
This thread is supposed to be about hybrids that are part Annona reticulata and part some other species.
the thread definitely lacks information on hybrids.
a few of the trees I initially thought might be hybrid, now appear to be pure species.
I believe there are even a few trees at fruit and spice park labeled as reticulata hybrids, that appear to be pure reticulata.
the vinho tinto from Luc appears to be a hybrid though...possibly reticulata x squamosa?
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Thank you Adam @ Flying Fox for the Kimber red! It is in the ground & I'll report on how it does here.
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Thank you Adam @ Flying Fox for the Kimber red! It is in the ground & I'll report on how it does here.
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Wow!
Thanks for posting a pic!
It looks so happy now. It was desperate to get out of that 25gal pot.
I bet it will be about 15ft by this time next year....and it should set some fruit this winter.
It's going to love your microclimate.
I'm glad I was able to find a good home for the mother tree, and also able to keep a smaller grafted tree i made as back up....this is a variety worth propagating !!
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I found a pretty decent article from back in 2009 on legit A. reticulata x (A. cherimola x A squamosa) trihybrids. They crossed Pink's mammoth atemoya with a "Brown skin-coloured" reticulata, grew out 250 of them, and recorded their results. They had a huge variability in just about every trait imaginable, though they saw poor survival in the F2 generation and generally poor fertility overall in both F1 and F2. They conclude that back-crossing with A. squamosa due to its high fertility could be a good route to introduce some specific desirable genes from A. reticulata.
The abstract actually does a good job telling the whole story (like a good abstract should), but the full text is a good read too.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-009-0059-5
(http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-009-0059-5)
What traits would y'all be excited to see from A. reticulata show up in an atemoya? I know red flesh, a small tightly packed seed area, and late season would be on my list.
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I have a 47-18 seedling that has leaves that look like the original but very slow growing.
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‘47-18’
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yep, this tree is amazing, but i must lettergo!
a nice tree, easy to grow, and the fruit is superb...
you'd be the only guy in town who had it...lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAFTED-Annona-reticulata-Kimber-Red-RARE-Custard-Apple-the-MOTHER-TREE/193459743575?hash=item2d0b196b57:g:71wAAOSw9~xeuJ~p (https://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAFTED-Annona-reticulata-Kimber-Red-RARE-Custard-Apple-the-MOTHER-TREE/193459743575?hash=item2d0b196b57:g:71wAAOSw9~xeuJ~p)
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Certainly in my town!
Kevin Jones
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Can anyone recommend a source for Annona reticulata trees in south Florida?
Thanks in advance
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Lara Farms nursery, and Shangri-La Farms nursery, both sell Annona reticulata, in the Homestead, Florida area.