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I was unsuccessful growing them in Miami. The one I had dropped all the leaves if it got below 40F/5C. It didn't kill it, but it had a hard time recovering, never fruited.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 25, 2023, 09:05:11 AM »
yoski, where did you find that info for your area? There used to be a site where I could see a list of record highs and lows for my area, but that site (which I don't remember now) got rid of that feature. AccuWeather will show the record high and low when I go to their daily forecast here. Thanks!
I should have saved the link. I downloaded it about 2 years ago but can't remember from where. Recent Google searches didn't turn up anything useful.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 24, 2023, 02:43:48 PM »
My zipcode/ zone is still 9B. *shakes clenched fists angrily to the sky*. (Lake Placid, FL).
South or East of the lakes you're definitely in 10a. On US-27 you have 2 very large Mango trees with a single trunk, one where the pineapple is and another on the northbound side between lake McCoy and Highway Park. Both of them are at minimum 50 years old, probably 70-80. A single trunk means that they never froze back to the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 24, 2023, 02:33:59 PM »
Here in Sebring we went from 9b to 10a. There are weather records from the Avon Park, Highlands county Florida station, dating back to 1892. Here are all the highs/lows of any day with a low of 24F or less since 1892.
1981-1-14    55   18
1982-1-12    48   19
1989-12-24   44   20
1962-12-13   49   20
1982-1-13    62   20
1894-12-29   41   21
1977-1-20    41   21
1985-1-22    42   21
1981-1-13    47   21
1985-1-23     50   21
1962-12-14   59   21
1934-12-13   65   21
1985-1-21           74   21
1905-1-26           44   22
1989-12-25   45   22
1989-12-26   52   22
1895-2-8       -99.9   23
1985-12-27   48   23
2010-1-12    54   23
1981-12-12   57   23
1958-2-4           60   23
1980-3-3           61   23
1986-1-28           61   23
1983-12-25   70   23
1981-12-20   47   24
2010-1-6           49   24
1997-1-19           52   24
2010-12-28   52   24
1906-12-25   53   24
2001-1-5      54   24
1977-1-21    55   24
1981-1-18    55   24
1981-12-11   59   24
2010-1-13           62   24
1957-12-13   64   24

35 days in total. Of those 18 (!!) were in the 1980s. We are looking at around 13 decades so 2-3 below 24F nights per decade would be normal.
For the stats geeks, if you take Winter as Dec. 10 to Mar. 5 (=85 days). That gives a Z-score of 9.725 and a probability so small that any calculator will call is 0 (zero), even so it is a very small positive number.
Teh 2x2 contingency table is:
10183   17
832       18
The 1980s were an absolute freak in terms of cold winters. Let's hope we don't ever see that again. Why? My guesses are that they drained a lot of wetlands, so the cold air could penetrate further south. Also the Mt. Saint Helens explosion in 1980 might have contributed. Not sure what else. Maybe some unusual sun activity?
Also notice 1894-12-29 and 1895-2-8. Those dates are the "Great freeze in Florida" that caused Flagler to build his railroad all the way to the Keys.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Litchi climate advice
« on: October 12, 2023, 08:33:54 AM »
My Lychees do well, when I have at least 3-4 consecutive nights where it gets into the lower 40s or 30s. When it only occasionally gets into the 40s there will be little to no flowering in spring. I have Brewster, Mauritius and Sweet Heart. Brewster is the easiest to grow. Sweet Heart is the best, but also the most troublesome in term of bug infestations (Sri Lankan weevil).

Emilio Nursery, FL-17, Avon Park, FL 33825 call at 863-215-2363, outstanding selection of rare Mangos and very reasonable prices
Trees N' More, 4413 SW Ranchwood st, Palm City, FL 34990 call at 772-7819570, great selection and very reasonable priced

I got about half of my trees from these 2 sources.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rosigold v. Dwarf Hawaiian?
« on: September 05, 2023, 01:28:39 PM »
Rosigold does really well for me here in Sebring. First crop in mid-March and 2 more crops over the next 2 month. Also a very trouble free tree as far as disease is concerned. Fiber free, classic Mango flavor.

Yoski—where did you get your Angie tree? Have been looking for a decent sized one but can’t find them. Im in central florida.
I got it at Excalibur, 5200 Fearnley Rd, Lake Worth, FL 33467
They must have had them in small pots for wat too long. Wife was giving my hell for buying such a crappy tree. Under proper care it turned out to be one of the best producers. If you know how to graft, you're welcome to come by and take what you need.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: August 29, 2023, 08:41:43 AM »
It's late August, anything other than Keitt left on the trees in Florida?

For me Edward, Pickering and Angie have been the most trouble free varieties.
Lemon Zest and Keitt I got rid off b/c the fungus problems.  Not as bad, but far from good are: Malika, Nam Doc Mai, Valencia Pride, Maha, Venus

That is a nice list of mangoes that you already have planted. Many of those are what I have planted out. I personally would not plant Coco cream or Rosigold on the interior due to disease issues. I might consider Maha Chanok in place of Ivory. Peach Cobbler and Venus are both super delicious and are worth growing IMO. The other ones I might suggest are Angie as an early mango that is productive and disease resistant, Lemon zest for flavor and firm texture, and Carrie for flavor but it does have a pretty soft texture which I love. (Maybe you don't) The last suggestion might be a Keitt or Neelam mango as your late late variety. Both of those can give mangoes into November. Good luck!
Keitt and Lemon Zest are disease magnets (MBBS), the complete opposite of Rosigold. I have/had all 3 in my yard. Angie does not have any disease problems, good quality fruit and great producer. At least that's my personal experience here in Sebring, FL.

Jujube? In winter? Its a deciduous tree or it is in 9b. Loses its leaves in fall and is fairly unattractive, the fruit is kind of meh anyway. Irish Strawberry isnt specifically winter ripening and ripens throughout the year. Citrus of course but has its own issues and if you dont have oaks, dont bother.
I was at a talk from the University of Florida. They have a huge research farm west of Ft. Pierce. They said that "Sugar Belle" Mandarin, "Sun Dragon" Orange and "Star Ruby" Grapefruit are very greening disease tolerant. They say a lot, so I planted a Sugar Belle and a Star Ruby in my yard. Too early to give any evaluation, but so far, so good.

I really enjoyed Peach Cobbler this year. I would add a Geffner Atemoya grafted on Cherimoya rootstock to your list (it has a better texture than sugar apple and makes a tougher tree). Pineapple and passionfruit are two of my other favorite tropical flavos that aren't on your list. Passionfruit makes great juice, so I assume that texture would not be an issue.
Geffner was a disappointment in my yard. Disease problems, a failure to thrive and low production of a so-so fruit. As far as Passionfruit goes I had good success with Possum Purple but the opposite with Sweet Sunrise, didn't try any other varieties.
Longans are pretty good trees. Somewhat cold hardy and much more resistant to various pests than Lychees. I grow Kohala and Biew Kiew with good success and little effort.

Are you near a large body of water? Smaller Mango trees are easily killed by frost. Well irrigation (warm water) can help. Larger trees can take a short time of about 25F.
Another problem is disease, especially MBBS. Don't plant anything that's disease susceptible. I know Nam Doc Mai has it's fair share of problems.
I like Pickering, awesome tasting, small tree (easy to protect during frost), disease free, great producer. On your list I like M-4 as a very good late season Mango, also made good experience with Orange Sherbet, Fruit Punch, Sugar Loaf and Honey Kiss. Not on your list is Rosigold, a trouble free, small tree that sometimes produces as early as mid March into late May.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 30, 2023, 04:01:23 PM »
I am looking for another good Avocado for central FL. I have Brogdon, Monroe, Bacon that grow well. Oro Negro refuses to grow in my yard and Lula is growing, but not producing. I am looking for a tree that has:
- good fruit
- not prone to disease and pests
- at least moderately cold tolerant
- a decent or better producer
- can take high humidity without developing fungal problems
Any advice? Thanks much

I have good luck with Monroe avocado. Pretty cold resistant, excellent fruit and produces December/January. Loquat and Surinam Cherries are very early, March/April and also cold hardy.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Chronic underperformers
« on: July 30, 2023, 03:49:18 PM »
I am fairly successful with most fruit trees in my yard (around 55) but there are some chronic underperformers.
Mangos: Keitt, Lemon Zest (severe MBBS problems). Didn't meet expectation and were removed.
Dragon fruit: Purple Haze, 1 fruit in 10 years. Didn't meet expectations and had to go.
Lychee: Sweet Heart: problem with weevil and LEM, light producer. Brewster and Mauritius are much more resilient and produce 10x as much.
Mamey: Viejo; 5 years and so far not a single fruit. Does it need a 2nd Mamey near by?
Acovados: Oro Negro, keeps on dying back. Tried a 2nd tree in same spot, same problem. Now planted a Sapodilla that performs fine. So I don't think it is the spot.
Lula, tree grows OK (3.5" diameter, 8' tall, healthy looking leaves), but not a single flower in 5 years. Bacon, Monroe and Brogdon all perform fine.
In paricular the Mamey, Sweet Heart and the Lula Avocado are poor performers. Is it time to move on and plant something else?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / The long and disease free Mango season
« on: July 24, 2023, 11:53:08 AM »
I strive to plant Mangoes that are disease free (especially MBBS is a big problem in FL) and also have a very long season. Those are my personal experiences from my backyard orchard in Sebring, FL.
Please feel free to add to the list below:
- Rosigold, largely disease free, as early as mid-March where I live. Last fruits were picked late May/early June. Good classical flavor.
- Angie, absolutely bullet proof as far as disease goes. Very productive. From early May into June.
- Pickering, disease free, extremely productive small tree with a coconut flavor. late May/June.
- Glenn, disease free, classic flavor, late May/June
- Karen Michelle, totally disease free, classical flavor, June
- Edward, absolutely disease free, classical flavor, June to early July
- Cac, disease free, interesting flavor, June/July
- Sugarloaf, disease free, pineapple/coconut flavor, June/July
- Orange Sherbet, disease free, citrus like flavor, July.
- Gold Nugget, disease free, classic flavor, July/August
- Peach Cobler, disease resistant, citrus flavor, July/August
- Sweet Tart, largely disease free, great flavor but small fruit with large seed. July/August0
- M-4, disease free, great coconut flavor, August into early September
- Neelam, disease free, Indian flavor, small fruit, late August into early October

Choc Anon might produce in the winter (so they say), but sometimes "they" say a lot of things that don't work out in my yard. So far it only had one crop a year.

I liked Keitt, great flavor, large fruit August/September, but MBBS became too much of a problem. 90+% of the fruit split open long before maturity. Same goes for Lemon Zest, the disease problems due to MBBS become overwhelming. I guess you can spray, but I am not out there every 2 weeks applying fungicide.

Problematic due to extreme disease susceptibility in my yard (so bad that I got rid of the tree):
Keitt, Lemon Zest, 

Some disease susceptibility:
Valencia Pride, Maha, Choc Anon, Fairchild, Nam Doc Mai, Malika, Venus

Thanks for the video. One feature I want to add. AFTER the fruit is picked, have a look at the sap coming out of the stem. If it is clear the Mango is ripe, if it is milky the tree is still feeding the fruit. Granted, this is after the fact, but it should give you some guidance what to pick and what to leave on the tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 3 mango varieties poll
« on: July 24, 2023, 10:37:39 AM »
Missing M-4, Cac and Pickering for sure.
Lemon Zest tastes great, but is extremely susceptible to MBBS. I got rid of mine for that reason alone.

It makes a huge difference if you can help the trees along at least for the 1st year with watering and removing competing vegetation. Fast growers are: Valencia Pride and Edward Mangos, Bacon Avocado, Mulberry
Slow growers, but tough once established are Surinam cherries, loquat
Adding Vermiculite into the planting hole helps, as it retains water. The Mangos are susceptible to frost for the first 10 years or so, after that they can take down to 25F for a few hours. Global warming might be your friend. Also covering the base of the Mango with mulch up 20" will help in the worst case scenario if there's bad frost in the forecast.
Bananas should do well in the wet areas. The top freezes easily, but the root will always come back. It takes one frost free winter to produce in my experience.

Pickering, best tasting, most productive and disease free. Tree stays small and is packed with fruit year after year.

It seems like people favor Maha, Sugarloaf, and Sweet Tart. I cannot find a nursery selling those in San Diego. I am afraid to buy them from nursery in Florida because my avocado tree I bought from nurseries in Florida died, not just one but 4.  :o
Some of nursery owners were very nice and sent me  replacements but  one of two replacement also died. No more from Florida for now. Avocado trees I bought from local nursery are doing well.
If anyone knows any nursery selling those  listed above mango trees in SoCal, please let me know.

This a VERY informative post that is specific to Socal. You'll realize there is more you don't know. Then you can start selecting cultivars.

Out of the ones I have tasted and do well in my location, sweet tart.
I think that has to do with the root stock they are grafted on. FL and CA are very different, high humidity, lots of rain and disease pressure from all kinds of fungal diseases, versus draught being the major concern in CA. The plants sold in FL are grafted for use in FL, not CA.

For me, Sebring FL, the best trees in terms of production, disease free and taste are:
Pickering (small tree, very productive, excellent coconut like flavor, May/June)
Orange Sherbet (disease free, Excellent orange like flavor, June)
Edward (absolutely disease free, peachy classic flavor, July)
M-4 (outstanding flavor, late season, August into early September, largely disease free)
Rosigold (average classic Mango flavor, mostly disease free, long season since it blooms several times. First harvest in mid-March and still has a few fruits in late June)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / MBBS
« on: May 22, 2023, 08:09:17 AM »
I know Alex posted a list of resistant and susceptible varieties, but I can't find it anymore. Can someone please repost?
MBBS is a real problem in my yard. LZ, Nam Doc Mai, Choc-Anon, Sweet Tart are hit particularly hard.
Pickering, Maha, M-4, Valencia Pride and Edward have some minor problems. Angie, Fairchild, Rosigold, Glenn, Cac, Fruit Punch seem totally resistant.
Any other experiences? No need to carry on with trees that can't produce fruit to maturity.

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