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What is alkala ?
I couldn’t find them.

Sorry for the typo. It should have been Akaka or Hawiian Raspberry (Rubus hawaiensis). Ohelo is Hawaii's version of the blueberry.

Inverted grafting has been tossed around a bit over the years for its potential dwarfing effects on avocado. Might be worth a shot.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Yellow rambutan
« on: February 24, 2024, 04:08:23 PM »
I supose there are some things that need a greenhouse even in Florida.

Alkala and Ohelo are two that come to mind.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: February 22, 2024, 08:27:32 AM »
That is a very good answer except for the last point. Any cutting that can be rooted can be air layered. But not necessarily the other way around.
We commercially layer rambutan, for example. We must get 90% or better. We’d never get that with cuttings if any at all.

I say that because of Macadamia. I have air layered lychee on a commercial level. When we tried macadamia on a small scale we got callus formation but no roots until we cut them off and treated them like cuttings. Was it a fluke??? I don't know. Also, Atemoya can be rooted from cuttings according to Australian literature. I have never gotten it to air layer successfully because it has weak wood and the layers have always gotten snapped off by wind. In theory it works, but in practice its not practical. That is why I add the caveat.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: February 21, 2024, 11:02:15 PM »
The girdling does several things as I understand it. For one thing, girdling stresses the branch and helps to induce changes in plant hormones that contribute to the formation of root primordia. As you mentioned, the xylem is still bringing water to the leaves. This keeps the branch hydrated. However, with the cambium gone the sugars from the leaves are not able to get down to the roots. Those extra sugars provide energy for the branch to make roots. More leaves means more sugars and better rooting. As a result, you actually want maximum leaf levels and sun exposure. Do not remove any leaves or shade the air layer. In my experience, most things that propagate from cuttings will also air layer, but I believe there are exceptions to this.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Bronze scuppernog grape cuttings
« on: February 18, 2024, 11:39:20 AM »
Beautiful grapes there. They look just like Calusa grapes to me, but Calusa grapes look like a pink muscadine. I thought I had found a pink muscadine the first time I ever saw one. There is a lot of misinformation about Florida wild grapes and even some herbarium specimines are mislabeled in my opinion. Check the vine for the forked tendrils. That is the most reliable way. The other charicteristics are variable. I see some with rusty felt, some with white, and some with almost none. They can even hybridize with other bunch grapes where the habitats over lap. If you are absolutely certain that the vine has single tendrils then you have something very unique. If they fork I'm 98% certain that its a very nice specimine of Calusa grape.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Bronze scuppernog grape cuttings
« on: February 17, 2024, 09:14:57 PM »
If wild muscadine can pollinate the particular type I have then they might not be self fertile. I live in an area that is rural and wild muscadine are everywhere. I have heard 90% of wild vines are male but I'm unsure how true that might be. There are wild females around. Most of which have small purple black fruits. I have found a few with larger fruits but not quite as large as the ones I'm growing most often. I did find one with near marble sized fruits with distinctly pink skin. Fruit isn't large but ok flavor for a wild vine. However tastes are subjective and I'm one of those that can eat nearly anything and enjoy it to some extent. I like wild persimmon, muscadine, sand pears, etc and will eat them no problem at all. I eat the skins and seeds of muscadine no problem chewing the seeds not just swallowing them. I crunch through and enjoy Duncan white grapefruit seeds and all as bitter and numerous as the seeds can be. No qualms at all about that sort of stuff most wouldn't or couldn't do. It's a nutritional thing in my mind too I guess. The best phytonutrients and other bioactive compounds are highest in the parts most discard in many cases. That said I can acknowledge what would be considered a "good" fruit to those with much more picky tastes.

Yes, the wild Florida subspecies will pollinate muscadines if the blooms overlap. If my guess is right, the grape you found with pink skin is Vitis shuttleworthii "Calusa Grape." It has a lot of similarities with Muscadines, but is actually a bunch grape. Wild muscadines never come in pink (unless you have the first one)--that gene actually came from bunch grapes via a lot of crosses and back crosses. Calusa grapes ripen earlier, have felty leaves (especially on new growth), furrowed instead of smooth bark, and forked tendrils (muscadine tendrils are single). Calusa grape is also more graft compatible with bunch grapes--I have a bunch grape hybrid grafted on one right now.

Here is my list. Sri Kembangan Starfruit, Sri Chompoo Longan, Noble, Ison, Pam, and Supreme Muscadines, Black Pakistani Mulberry, Jujube, Blackberries, Sugarcane, Jabo, Pineapple, Papaya, and Mysore bananas. Wax Jambu and Jambolan probably deserves mention. They were very productive, but fruit was mediocre. I hear there are better varieties, though. Sounds like I need to invest in some top tier Sapodillas.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Bronze scuppernog grape cuttings
« on: February 17, 2024, 07:09:38 PM »
That is very interesting. Sounds like the bronze one you have is self fertile. Carlos is probably the most common self fertile bronze. Of the ones I am familiar with, the big one sounds like Pam. There are lots of possibilities for both, though. If your rock pile vine is self fertile there is a 99.999% chance that it is of cultivated origin. Only 2 self fertile muscadines have ever been found in the wild. All the other self fertile ones are decended from those two.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zhpp Glo Mango
« on: February 17, 2024, 10:52:21 AM »
Now that seems pretty cool. I wish someone would chime in also.
If that one  ever gets released Galatians and I will be gardening after Dark🤣

 ;D my only question is whether we will start glowing when we eat the fruit?

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Bronze scuppernog grape cuttings
« on: February 16, 2024, 09:47:37 PM »
Have you had good success rooting this one from hard wood cuttings like bunch grapes? I found simple layering to be way more reliable for the muscadines that I have tried to propagate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 15, 2024, 11:07:21 PM »
At 950 m, your altitude may be a factor. I've heard mangoes in Hawaii above 1200 ft start having issues flowering.

Do you know any varieties for high-altitude areas?

By the way, flowering isn't the issue. They have flowered every year since I've been here, but they usually set zero fruit. This year they produced a lot of fruit.

Sounds like you have an anthracnose problem or maybe some other disease issue.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: February fruit
« on: February 14, 2024, 06:31:35 PM »
Another benefit to jujube is that it will grow without irrigation. I have seen jujube trees in abandoned fruit orchards that are still productive when many other trees have declined. They are very attractive to deer, so you may want to protect them until they get tall enough to be above the browsing zone.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: February fruit
« on: February 13, 2024, 09:50:40 PM »
We had some nice Jujubes last week. Unfortunately, I didn't take pictures. The key is to pick them when they are yellow but not brown yet. They are about as sweet as a grocery store apple at that stage.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 13, 2024, 06:23:34 PM »
Bombay Marc Anthony Buxton spice starting to bloom. Very excited and feel blessed started this journey 6 years ago with the only information I had to work with came from this forum. Used the shotgun approach planted many 7 and 15 gallon tree back when they were large. At the time i knew I was planting them too close but I knew I would eventually cull the herd. Dug those up traded and gave away. Finally got it fine tuned the way I want and now looks to be a bountiful season. My latest addition will be Pere Louis also called AKA mango Pal-Wee

Marc Anthony

Buxton spice
Also I have to give credit to Tropical acre Farms

The Marc Anthony you sent me is blooming now as well.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grapefruit Tree Fungus
« on: February 11, 2024, 04:48:47 PM »
I'm not an expert on all citrus diseases, but the brown spots look like anthracnose to me.

Chayote and Yam (particularly Dioscora Rotundata which does not produce aerial bulbils) are two optiins to consider.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Transplanting mango seedling from ground.
« on: February 10, 2024, 02:30:09 PM »
Only move them when they are not actively growing. I killed one of my first mango grafts that way.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 10, 2024, 02:26:15 PM »
Yup, Sacadura has excellent videos on grafting. Did you notice your method #4, side graft with tongue failed in his video.

I prefer the side graft where you just cut the scion wood just like you do for cleft graft. I use this technique for most of my fruit tree when I do side grafts and it is very reliable and works great, you might want to try it. Doing a whip & tongue cut for the side graft should be fine but there is no need to do it and possibly cut yourself when making the tongue. He nevers uses a glove but he should so new grafters will not get in this bad habit.

I didn't watch the results, just the technique. Side graft has been my most successful technique so far. I will try your "side cleft" some time. That would also hold the scion while you wrap.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Thornless Blackberries
« on: February 10, 2024, 12:27:19 PM »
Wow! February is awfully early for them. Any idea what the variety is?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 09, 2024, 11:24:12 PM »
This is the youtube clip that gave me the idea. He has way better pictures than my old phone can take. The side graft technique I have been using starts at 6:29.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 09, 2024, 05:55:06 PM »
Thanks for the great info Brad. I have been trying a new type of graft for mis-matched scion wood. Its the standard side graft with a tongue added (just like on a whip and tongue). It has been working really well for me. The tongue makes it much easier to wrap the side graft because it frees up both hands.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed grown cherimoya from Rincon Tropics
« on: February 08, 2024, 10:45:41 PM »
Thanks! Will do.

I wonder if putting the pot outside in late March would have the same effect as stripping leaves (low temps 30s-40s with possible freezing would cause defoliation?) Does cherimoya need chill hours? I did the same with potted feijoa in March and it was enough cold for blooms to form.

Also forgot to mention, there is a seedling sugar apple in the pot, when it gets a little bigger is it graft compatible on cherimoya?

Yes, I should be. A study I read said that Sugar Apples produce larger leaves and fruit when grafted on Cherimoya.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 08, 2024, 10:39:12 PM »
Peach cobbler has tiny panicles starting here & there :)

That is what I would call snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat. Congrats!

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