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zone 10 in CA is way different than zone 10 in FL.
my greenhouse is zone 11, and some of my jabos get red leaves due to the cold (40f)

While jabos do like water and can even tolerate standing water for short time periods, that should not be paired with cold. and Standing water is not good in general as then we get anaerobic conditions...Which disrupts the microorganism balance, and many other factors.

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Even in South FL, it can be challenging to grow the rare artocarpus.
Breadfruit, jackfruit, the hybrid, kwai muk, and lakoocha are pretty bulletproof down there
What's tougher is the marang, cempedak, and SE Asian ones. To my knowledge, no one has done pedalai. But marang has been fruited.

Greenhouse wise the ultra tropical ones can not be fruited due to size restrictions. Now this is just a generalized rule, and some artocarpus stay smaller, eventually they still get too big for the regular greenhouse. Also, some artocarpus like the pedalai only fruit on mature leaves. And when you prune back a tree in the greenhouse, it forces them to make more immature leaves. So, it's a never ending cycle (ask my friend)

Now you could do jackfruit, hybrid, kwai muk, lakoocha, and some Chinese artocarpus in a greenhouse. Although they will get big eventually, pruning can make it happen. And these tend to fruit at smaller sizes also.
Tropical Fruit Hunters in Ohio fruited jackfruit, and several members here have some nice sized artocarpus up north too.


I know of a S. Florida grower with a 25 ft+ pedalai but it hasnít flowered last I heard.

Do you know if the grower that fruited marang is on here? I would love to as a few questions.

I think Shot may have fruited marang?
I don't know.
Even the fruit and spice park pedalai still have some immature leaves lol.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: February 25, 2024, 11:33:47 PM »
Even in South FL, it can be challenging to grow the rare artocarpus.
Breadfruit, jackfruit, the hybrid, kwai muk, and lakoocha are pretty bulletproof down there
What's tougher is the marang, cempedak, and SE Asian ones. To my knowledge, no one has done pedalai. But marang has been fruited.

Greenhouse wise the ultra tropical ones can not be fruited due to size restrictions. Now this is just a generalized rule, and some artocarpus stay smaller, eventually they still get too big for the regular greenhouse. Also, some artocarpus like the pedalai only fruit on mature leaves. And when you prune back a tree in the greenhouse, it forces them to make more immature leaves. So, it's a never ending cycle (ask my friend)

Now you could do jackfruit, hybrid, kwai muk, lakoocha, and some Chinese artocarpus in a greenhouse. Although they will get big eventually, pruning can make it happen. And these tend to fruit at smaller sizes also.
Tropical Fruit Hunters in Ohio fruited jackfruit, and several members here have some nice sized artocarpus up north too.



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Hello,
I have 1000 yangmei seeds for sale,
@ 35 cents each!
$350 for all includes shipping

Start some rootstock or grow some seedlings to fruition.
Kernels are white and healthy in 99% of the seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my Red Jaboticaba?
« on: February 25, 2024, 09:29:10 PM »
I'd cut the water, and wait. The red is from the cold.
You may need to do a soil swap as mentioned if it doesn't drain well.
Potted plants have a perched water table so in cases like these it doesn't hurt to re pot.

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Cerifera, rubra, and pennyslvanica should work.
Now is a great time to graft!
Nate is awesome!

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Tropical Acres Farms is your best idea, although they do not propagate coconut cream as it is patented.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these coconut palms?
« on: February 23, 2024, 03:38:14 PM »
no, not a coconut.
that should be a foxtail palm.

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I've bought some really bright ones off amazon for around $30 a few years ago and they are pretty good.
Now I don't think brightness and plant happiness are correlated...but it worked pretty good!

One of my friends sells some of the high tech stuff and wow one panel is around $500+

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Moving a Guava
« on: February 21, 2024, 03:00:18 PM »
You could try to air layer or root cuttings then plant in new spot. Since guava grow so fast it would be worth waiting.
If you move it, now is best before it gets hot.
Seems like your plan is good given you are down to dig it up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help on how to post pictures
« on: February 20, 2024, 11:20:14 PM »
If you're on a computer, the process I use is to send pictures on my phone via email to myself on the computer. Then you can download those photos. Then, when you make a new post, you can click on the bottom left of the text box that says add image to post. Then click it and you can upload you pictures.
Or if you post on the phone you don't need to email it to yourself.
I'm sure there are other ways, but this is the most straightforward way I've seen so far. Hopefully someone else more experienced can chime in.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: February 20, 2024, 10:29:03 AM »
Well I didnít have time to post this, but I finally found a yangmei for cold climate people.
Took 9 f and 3 days below freezing with no leaf or branch die back whereas other ones either died or got leaf or branch die back.
It is a breakthrough and Iíve killed so many before this itís hilarious.
This is cool as some yangmei survived but got set back but this one is alive and unstoppable.
I will get to work w propagation soon.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 09:08:51 AM »
I find them to be both mid-tier fruits, and wouldn't grow them unless I was in a tropical climate and had space.
Black sapote is underwhelming and so is white sapote too.
Now, there are many people who grow white sapote here, so it would be easy to connect with scions etc.
Just the fruit didn't do it for me, when I can grow mangos and lychees easily.
But pluses of black sapote is that it is a winter crop in FL, so it helps balance things out, and white sapote is sweet w a caramel taste. But not good enough for me.
Just how much white sapote have you actually eaten?  Are you really qualified to comment on this fruit?
John,
I've had it several different times and tried several different varieties.
while good, it doesn't compare to the FL mangos.

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Thanks for prompt shipping and a few extras.
Great seller!

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Either this is fabulous trolling on your part BayTropics, or you're suffering the worst case of confirmation bias I've ever seen.

Bush2Beach has spent many days in HI, had the wine himself, what more confirmation do you need?

If this "Vino Tinto" variety was grown and sold at Pine Island as a cultivar, ever, I can guarantee a collector here has it and has probably already fruited it. I would believe a grower on this forum before any commercial enterprise which has profit on the line, juiced by creative marketing and story telling.

Internet trolls be like:  :)
But seriously, Baytropics, I don't understand your point.
Top Tropicals is known for mislabeling plants and even you got a mislabeled plant from them...what does that say?
You can ask all the community and they will say it's not legit.
What more do you need? Genetic tests? Top Tropicals is being vague on purpose. 
It's the red jabo. Now if you want a selected variety of the red, then you can get the Z-4 Jabo. That has been grown and fruited by collectors abroad and it is a selection of the red.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:54:24 PM »
Just got some movement on some male scions on cerifera stock...
Once grown out, it will be going to a good friend :) :) :)
grafted last fall.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:52:58 PM »
I find them to be both mid-tier fruits, and wouldn't grow them unless I was in a tropical climate and had space.
Black sapote is underwhelming and so is white sapote too.
Now, there are many people who grow white sapote here, so it would be easy to connect with scions etc.
Just the fruit didn't do it for me, when I can grow mangos and lychees easily.
But pluses of black sapote is that it is a winter crop in FL, so it helps balance things out, and white sapote is sweet w a caramel taste. But not good enough for me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 18, 2024, 01:35:17 PM »
They all can set fruit by themselves.
there are many many many different types.
The flesh to seed ratio is ok, and most are really fast growing in the right climates.
Flavor wise it's hard to say when there are so many types, but all the ones I've tried (vera, fuelli, and laurina)
had a cotton candy consistency with sweetness and a bit of mint flavor. Somewhere around that range.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: any kadsura coccinea successfully planted ?
« on: February 18, 2024, 01:32:19 PM »
I cut a few of the seeds from Jabo45 and they were all viable with a white kernel.  Good luck with germination! They look better than the ones I bought on Etsy and those are starting to germinate.   I also am rooting a few cuttings to see if itís possible.  Hopefully we can start growing these and selecting best cultivars soon.  Thanks Ryan!

Iíve weirdly have more success with growing them in pots than in the ground.  They like morning sun and shade the rest of the day and seem to grow when itís cold and stunt in hot weather. 







Glad to hear!
Your plants are looking great.
I have a few and they seem to be really solid.

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I would not buy from a site saying that yellow jaboticaba is plinia glomerata... :P :P :P
There are numerous times something like this has happened in the community, but it is ultimately one's own call :)
Just putting in the evidence.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: any kadsura coccinea successfully planted ?
« on: February 17, 2024, 11:44:45 PM »
you hope the seeds you sold are viable? eeek.  how old and cold were they?




I've just sent out over 2000 kadsura seeds to various people, so should see an update in the near future.
viable seeds I hope lol.
They were as fresh as I could get them. Every seed I crushed had a white viable kernel inside so that's why they got sent, not wrent lol.
I hope they sprout is what I meant to say lol. Each seed was viable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planted My Olosapo
« on: February 17, 2024, 08:11:08 PM »
Like burnt sugar and ďrumĒ it tastes like burnt sugar, and has butterscotch notes. Have not tasted rum so I canít comment on that lol, but one grower told me that.

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Thatís just renaming of a red to get more sales. Not cool.

They say it's a rare red Jaboticaba from Hawaii. It could be red variation. Let's not call it "fake" until there is something concrete to prove it's fake.
Itís fake. Top tropical has a reputation of doing that. Just ask any OG grower here.


Also all true Jaboticabas are in the plinia genus.
Myrciaria is an incorrect nomenclature
Hope it sheds some light.

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Thatís just renaming of a red to get more sales. Not cool.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planted My Olosapo
« on: February 16, 2024, 11:57:58 PM »
olosapo is such an underrated fruit. I will need to do a video on it some time.
I think I killed mine on accident...it dried out.
Will have to get another one as it is easy to grow.
Just I was being not smart that time.

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