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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 01, 2024, 12:37:26 PM »
i attended the fig "festival" last year for the 1st time.  it was definitely not how i'd define "festival".  i posted my review here...

https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/1405846-so-cal-fig-fest

i cited that example in a recent thread there about whether people should be allowed to share their negative experiences...

https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/1481740-regarding-the-recently-closed-thread

as to the "festival", it should really be renamed, like "the fig hunter popup" or something that doesn't give the impression of people walking around, trading among themselves, and buying figs, cuttings and plants from multiple vendors.  that's what i had in mind when i brought a big bowl of rose apple fruits to freely share.  instead, people were crammed into 1 small room, sitting down waiting for a... i dunno.  a presentation? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: February 29, 2024, 05:34:40 PM »
pineislander, i really didn't think to be skeptical of fnf's claim of 3 crops per year on some of his mango trees.  i actually don't know if he was referring to specific trees or all the trees of a certain variety. 

in a good year my biggest surinam cherry will produce 3 crops a year.  here in los angeles the average temp is 66f in comparison to the 74f average temp of vero beach.  so 3 crops a year on a florida mango tree didn't seem far-fetched to me.  but i'm definitely not a mango expert. 

another thing to consider is that flowering is often in response to stress.  drought is a pretty big source of stress.  so perhaps irregular rainfall could stimulate more frequent blooming and fruiting than you'd see with regular irrigation. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: February 29, 2024, 03:35:01 PM »
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personally i spend a lot of time watering here in socal, a ridiculous amount of time, so i really really love the idea of having mango trees produce more fruit than i can possibly eat without me having to worry about watering them

FL gets regular rain, even in their summers. Ok, maybe a few dry weeks at a time, but you simply cannot compare CA climate to FL. August is FL's rainiest month, that is CA's driest and hottest. You can stop watering your mangoes during the winter in CA, in fact it's recommended, but supplemental irrigation for mangoes in CA is a requirement in my opinion.

i'm planning to, or at least dreaming about, buying 10 acres in central florida, specifically to grow my favorite fruit trees and epiphytes without having to water them.  i wasn't trying to suggest that here in socal we can use fnf's principles to skip irrigation.  that being said...

my local friend daniel has a yard covered in an incredible variety of aloes.  but there was also a big (for california), and productive, mango tree planted by the previous owner.  daniel recently got rid of it because..."I contacted a arborist and they advised me they donít do well with binding roots."  eh what??  he was trying to slow it down?  obviously he's not the biggest fan of mangoes.  he gave them to his neighbor, who was very happy to receive them. 

i decided to be less lazy so i dug up a couple pics...



here's the pic he sent me of the fruit...



anyone know the variety?  after i took a pic of the tree (feb 2023) he shared some scions with me which are now growing on my manila in the ground and on a corriente in a big pot. 

my question is, how much less irrigation did the mango tree require given that it was surrounded by aloes?  this is a really good question! 

it's a fact that plants trade resources with each other via fungi.  water is a very important resource, that aloes are really good at storing and collecting.  i'm sure that they would be more than happy to exchange their surplus water for a mango tree's surplus _____________.    sugars?  that's f'ing teamwork.  aka a division of labor. 

the aloes closest to the mango tree must have grown faster than the furthest aloes.  basically, daniel really messed up.  i'll send him a link to this trial in case he wants to try and defend himself, hah. 

fnf appreciates aloes, especially tree aloes, and he has a couple, but i don't necessarily see him planting aloes all around his mangoes.  personally, all my aloes in the ground are in the front yard.  my manila mango tree is in the backyard.  i can't say i love the idea of planting a mango tree in the front yard, because the space is so limited.  but if i had 10 acres in florida then i'd definitely try intercropping with aloes and mangos.  well, i'd do the same if i had 10 acres here in socal. 

here in socal, let's say that you have to water your mango tree 100 days in a typical year.  if you surrounded it with aloes, then you'd only have to water it 99 days/year.  in this case it really wouldn't be worth it.  unless you loved aloes and/or hummingbirds.  hummingbirds love aloes.  but what if you'd only have to water your mango tree 50 days/year?  then it would definitely be worth it, space considerations aside. 

on youtube there are a ton of videos on intercropping.  but i haven't come across many videos of intercropping with succulents, which is strange because water is such an important resource, especially in drier areas.   

yesterday i planted a fruiting size capulin cherry (prunus salicifolia) near a public drainage ditch overgrown with willows.  in the same hole i also planted...

chaya
euphorbia lambii
dragon fruit
fignomenal cutting
silverberry cutting

the euphorbia and dragon fruit are succulents, and they will certainly trade water with the capulin cherry, but hard to say how much of a difference it will make.  i really don't want to water the capulin during the summer since i already have enough watering i have to do, so i probably should add an aloe or two, which is easy enough to do since they readily grow from cuttings. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just a mini Rant about Youtube
« on: February 29, 2024, 01:42:30 PM »
the two tropical fruit guys i watch religiously are flying fox fruit and florida natural farming.  fnf, on the other hand, doesn't have quite the same charm, but i love that he's always reading relevant scholarly papers.  and his garden is the closest to my dream garden.

I used to follow fnf but haven't visited in a long time. I don't think he gets around much because he hasn't compared his mango trees to those of others. Mango is about the easiest fruit to grow in Florida but his trees look highly stressed with very small twisted leaves showing deficiencies. Many of the leaves are growing in strange horizontal angles. He is getting some flowers but admits to poor fruit set.  Anyone growing mango will quickly see something is wrong, but he seems blinded to it. Ive tried before to make productive comments but he is recalcitrant and shuns people just like he left this forum.

To see what I mean have a look at his latest video and compare to your own mango trees. I wish he would be open to discussion but that never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w49z5du3f4

i just replied to this in the fnf thread

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: February 29, 2024, 01:39:01 PM »
the two tropical fruit guys i watch religiously are flying fox fruit and florida natural farming.  fnf, on the other hand, doesn't have quite the same charm, but i love that he's always reading relevant scholarly papers.  and his garden is the closest to my dream garden.

I used to follow fnf but haven't visited in a long time. I don't think he gets around much because he hasn't compared his mango trees to those of others. Mango is about the easiest fruit to grow in Florida but his trees look highly stressed with very small twisted leaves showing deficiencies. Many of the leaves are growing in strange horizontal angles. He is getting some flowers but admits to poor fruit set.  Anyone growing mango will quickly see something is wrong, but he seems blinded to it. Ive tried before to make productive comments but he is recalcitrant and shuns people just like he left this forum.

To see what I mean have a look at his latest video and compare to your own mango trees. I wish he would be open to discussion but that never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w49z5du3f4

hah, my biggest mango tree is a 7' butchered manila mango with a few scions not quite large enough to hold fruit.  i'd trade my tree in a second for any of fnf's mango trees, even those that froze. 

i agree that fnf has thin skin and doesn't handle criticism well, even when it's constructive.  in terms of his mangoes though do you have any specific suggestions? 

his mango trees would be happier if he irrigated?  maybe, but it's incredibly cool that several of his mango trees produce three crops in a year without any irrigation.  personally i spend a lot of time watering here in socal, a ridiculous amount of time, so i really really love the idea of having mango trees produce more fruit than i can possibly eat without me having to worry about watering them. 

in terms of fertilizer, i think that there's only been 1 thread here, other than this thread, that touched on the topic of inga alley cropping... about the inga genus.  there were only 4 participants in that thread, you were one of them!  did you ever get a chance to test this at all? 

recently i ran across this relevant 2017 thread by greenman62... nitrogen fixing plants and fruit trees.  did you remember ever seeing that thread?   

fnf seems to spend a lot of time applying zebu manure/compost to his favorite trees.  it makes a difference, but for me personally i'd prefer to avoid this work, like i'd prefer to avoid the work of irrigation.  so i really like the idea of mango trees getting their nutrients from nearby nitrogen fixers and other diverse plants and trees. 

here's an interesting presentation on intercropping23:18 was especially interesting about plants changing the ph of their soil, i think.  1:24:26 was also particularly interesting about plants trading water with each other. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: San Pablo seedling for trade
« on: February 29, 2024, 12:50:27 PM »
what are you looking for? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: February 28, 2024, 01:22:59 PM »
over on permies.com i just shared these 7 fnf principles...

1. no irrigation, he never waters any of his plants
2. regularly applies manure/compost from his miniature zebus to his favorite fruit trees
3. tries to maximize plant diversity
4. removes all the potting soil before planting
5. directly plants a lot of seeds
6. strongly advises against compaction
7. strongly advises against the use of plastics

am i forgetting any? 

i get kinda anxious with all the bananas he's planting.  a long time ago i had 2 bananas in the ground... a dwarf cavendish and an apple banana.  they grew exponentially and it seemed like i spent so much time digging up pups.  fnf has a lot more space than i do, but 500 banana plants, each growing exponentially...

i really enjoy seeing the fruits developing on his cacao tree.  and i've been cheering on his 3 durian seedlings.  it looks like they will make it. 

still no vanillas yet?  maybe i should try to send him some cuttings?  i have 3 or 4 different species... vanilla imperialis (from africa), vanilla chamissonis (from brazil), and some noids, probably pompona and planifolia. 

if i remember correctly fnf said that he doesn't have a problem with nematodes.  the best test would be if he can successfully grow any figs, ficus carica, in the ground for a few years.  even lsu purple doesn't seem immune to nematodeswe need more ficus hybridization

fnf said he was planning to plant anthurium vittarifolium... in the ground!?  noooooooo.  when i saw his anthurium pseudospectabile in the ground i shed a *few* tears.  they don't climb nearly as fast as philodendron patriciae.  it will take decades before either anthurium has climbed up a tree high enough for their long leaves to get off the ground.  ideally they should be firmly and tightly attached to a horizontal branch with lots of new zealand spahgnum moss and resurrection ferns (aka the bundling method), with other epiphytes like bromeliads nearby so they can trade resources. 

reading through my blog entry i found this nice passage i shared...

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Since then, many experiments have shown that multi-species plots are more productive. Cadotte's experiment showed for the first time that species with the greatest evolutionary distance from one another have the greatest productivity gains.
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What's going on isn't mysterious, Cadotte says. Distantly related plants are more likely to require different resources and to fill different environmental niches -- one might need more nitrogen, the other more phosphorus; one might have shallow roots, the other deep roots. So rather than competing with one another they complement one another. - Productivity Increases With Species Diversity, Just as Darwin Predicted

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how was it?? 

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Lingaro anyone?
« on: February 22, 2024, 06:52:59 PM »
if yours takes, down the road i'd be interested in exchanging cuttings.  i have elaeagnus multiflora, elaeagnus pungens and elaeagnus latifolia.  they are drought tolerant but seem to prefer lots of water for maximum growth.  the pots are sitting in water.  i think that they are all nitrogen fixers so i've been meaning to try sticking cuttings next to garcinias. 

multiflora seemed to slow down during winter, unlike pungens and latifolia. 

just picked the 1st fruit from the pungens.  it was starting to blush red, probably not fully ripe.  on the small size, tart, juicy and astringent, but not unbearably so.  last year i tasted a latifolia fruit for the 1st time.  it was a lot larger, but probably wasn't fully ripe.  reminded me of a tart plum.  i think it was kinda more astringent than the pungens. 

flying fox fruit has a huge latifolia grafted onto a lingaro.  i grafted multiflora and pungens last year.  both took but not sure which is doing better.  it would be great to figure out the best rootstock for most of them. 

i have extra plants of all 3 of mine in 5 gallon pots that i was planning to plant in a community garden.  but i'd be willing to trade them for something i don't already have.  pm if you're interested. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:43:49 PM »
since you've never grafted before i suggest 1st practicing on figs and loquats with wedge grafts and approach grafts. 

lots of people on this forum have asked whether kwai muk can be grafted onto jackfruit, but so far nobody knows.  i'm guessing that they aren't compatible.  i have plenty of jackfruit seedlings but only 1 tiny kwai muk seedling.  when it gets larger i'll consider approach grafting it to a jackfruit seedling. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:00:44 PM »
any updates?  i've been meaning to graft pitomba and pitangatuba but haven't gotten around to it yet. 

i was surprised to learn today that reid farm successfully grafts pitangatuba onto pitanga.  seems like this is something that would have been attempted early on and the results shared. 

reid uses pitanga seedlings as the rootstock (full slavery).  does this result in a higher success rate than grafting onto 1 branch of a pitanga bush (partial slavery)?

full slavery = only 1 option
partial slavery = 2 options

i have a bunch of surinam cherry seedlings but i hate the thought of fully enslaving any of them.  there's a chance, albeit very small, that any seedling could be extraordinary.  several of my seedlings have branched though.  i'll try grafting pitangatuba onto 1 branch and with the other branch i'll just remove the tip and any subsequent growth until the scion starts pushing. 

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i don't know if it's the right time of year, but a couple days ago i grafted lucuma onto canistel and vice versa.  very easy to cut but super milky.  it might be too early in the year but the lucuma has been growing so figured i'd give it a shot. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just a mini Rant about Youtube
« on: February 18, 2024, 12:56:49 PM »
this guy sure doesn't make it look easy.  regarding the video you shared, it's a white guy in a wheelchair gardening with a harem of native minions.  he's got the heart of a champion. 

in your most recent video, i watched the time-lapse, yard-work, techno-music-video part twice.  i'll probably watch it at least a few more times. 

the two tropical fruit guys i watch religiously are flying fox fruit and florida natural farming.  fff keeps it so real, he gets super frustrated when his hose kinks, which i 100% identify with.  this rant... "everything's falling apart" is a thing of beauty.  sometimes he keeps it too real, like when he's trying to clean a chicken's butt or ear infection.  most of the time though he shares lots of useful plant info.  fnf, on the other hand, doesn't have quite the same charm, but i love that he's always reading relevant scholarly papers.  and his garden is the closest to my dream garden.  it's really obvious that both fff and fnf deeply love nature.  i want to attach epiphytes to all their trees. 

there's a really nice peruvian lady i met a while ago who lives here in socal and collects aroids.  she owns some forest in peru and she's planting aroids everywhere.  it would be really cool if you two could trade your favorite plants with each other.  plants themselves trade with each other, via mycorrhizal fungi, and markets are maximally beneficial when the diversity of the participants is maximized.  everybody has different useful things to share.  it's hard to appreciate this since votes aka "thumbs up" are literally the worst way to measure usefulness.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just a mini Rant about Youtube
« on: February 18, 2024, 12:55:56 PM »
oops

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ficus Dammaropsis seeds?
« on: February 14, 2024, 09:46:20 PM »
I have tree but I donít think it pollinates due to a lack of a specialized wasp that pollinates it. I think the primary means of propagation where the wasp isnít present is air layer. Could be wrong tho.
might try using carica pollen.  so far only 3 species have been crossed with carica...

ficus auriulata - subgenus: sycomorus / section: sycomorus / subsection: seomorphe
ficus erecta - subgenus: ficus / section: ficus / subsection: frutescentiae
ficus pumila - subgenus: synoecia / section: rhizocladus / subsection: plagiostigma

dammaropsis is in the same subgenus as auriculata, but in a different section, "dammaropsis".  if it worked then maybe the result would be a giant and tasty fig fruit. 

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the cheena i got last year looks fine outside, but winter isn't over yet.  i'm in glendale right next to atwater village so my temps are a bit more mild than sun valley.  besides temps, another factor to consider is adequate moisture.  typically during colder weather it's safer to keep tropical plants on the drier side.  with something like jackfruit though i think it's happier being kept relatively moist.  all my seedlings are in small plastic pots with elevated drainage holes.  last year i put 2 jackfruit seedlings in 3 gallon pots with normal drainage holes.  i also put 2 seedlings in 3 gallon pots with elevated drainage holes.  i gave one of each to a couple friends.  one friend recently told me that the seedling in the normal pot didn't make it.  i haven't checked with my other friend yet.  in any case the sample size is too small to be really meaningful. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia Compatibility
« on: February 11, 2024, 12:09:32 PM »
cool topic.  fff grafts luc's onto intermedia, so i wouldn't be surprised if they could be successfully cross-pollinated.  somewhat surprisingly @marklee has a luc's happily grafted on an imbe.  i wouldn't have guessed it was possible, since imbe is from africa and luc's is from mexico.  maybe they can also be cross-pollinated.  i'd sure love to see what a hybrid looks like.  florida natural farming has a really nice fruiting imbe that he has sold quite a bit of fruit from.  i don't think that there is a fruiting luc's nearby... yet.  when the nearby luc's, achacha and others start reaching maturity hopefully lots of cross-pollination will happen.  not sure what the minimum distance is for cross-pollination. 

i have a 5' achacha with luc's scions from last year leafed out but just hanging on.  it's too nerve wracking whether the scions will grow when the weather finally warms up. 

a bit off topic, not sure why i haven't seen any achachas for sale that have had mature achachas grafted onto them. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What time of year to plant trees 9B
« on: February 05, 2024, 03:40:45 PM »
if you haven't already done so, you should check out the videos of florida natural farming in vero beach.  seems like he plants trees pretty much throughout the year, and he never irrigates them.  one thing he always does is that he thoroughly removes the medium from the roots before he plants the trees.  i can't personally vouch for this but he swears by it.  usually he plants trees next to a wide variety of other plants, such as bananas, gingers, nitrogen fixers and so on.  they all benefit from each other.  i can personally vouch for companion planting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting citrus to sapote
« on: February 04, 2024, 01:16:51 PM »
personally, i spend lots of time looking at phylogenetic trees / cladograms to try and decide whether it's worth trying to graft two species.  the less distance between the two species on the cladogram, the more likely that they can be grafted, and crossed.  but it's not a perfect rule because scientists don't use compatibility to determine relatedness.  i recently posted about this in the fig forum... taxonomy, cart or horse



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never germinated any yucca seeds, but i've germinated lots of agave seeds and tons of aloe seeds.  the medium i generally use has maybe 40% pumice so it drains really well.  even when it rains here in winter, which is the opposite of when these seedlings want rain, i haven't had an issue with rot. 

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what else?  catalina cherries, those florida peeps are really missing out, hah.  maybe black sapote does better in florida but it seems to grow really well here.  i was also very pleasantly surprised by canistel (egg fruit) pouteria campechiana.  last summer i potted up mine 3 times.  for this reason alone a few months ago i planted a couple in the ground.  there have to be some higher elevation/latitude eugenias that do better here.  what about any passionfruits?  passiflora edulis grows like crazy here.  passiflora phoenicea 'ruby glow' is a strong grower.  some ingas grow really good here, but maybe not better than in florida.  perhaps ours fruit easier?  plus they are nitrogen fixers.

seems like i haven't seen that many syzygium jambos (rose apple) in video tours of florida gardens.  mine is currently covered in flushes of new red growth.  what also surprisingly recently pushed out new leaves is annona deliciosa (biriba).  not sure if i've ever seen any prunus salicifolia (capulin cherry) in florida tour videos.  here it grows really fast.  elaeagnus latifolia, multiflora and pungens also grow really fast.  plus they are nitrogen fixers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: need seeds of custard apple
« on: January 03, 2024, 02:28:29 AM »
i'm not going to lie, but i had to look on a map to see where algeria is.  it's in north africa.  it's the largest country in africa.  i've watched a few permaculture videos of various places of africa... i don't think that i've seen any dragon fruit?  what about passionfruit?   

evidently dragon fruit is invasive in south africa.  passionfruit is invasive in parts of africa. 

so would it be immoral and/or unethical to send seeds of dragon fruit and passionfruit to algeria?  most of algeria looks too dry for either plant to naturalize. 

it seems like there's a paradox?  feel free to send tropical fruit seeds to lyonheart84 in the uk.  he will work hard to protect them during the freezing winter.  there definitely isn't any chance that they will become invasive.  on the other hand, in places where it's easy to grow tropical fruit, don't send seeds there, because they could become invasive. 

then again, i think the european swallow is migratory?  it couldn't carry a coconut to africa, but perhaps it could carry some dragon fruit seeds. 

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Some species of plants are capable of colonizing new habitats thanks to birds that transport their seeds in their plumage or digestive tract. Until recently it was known that birds could do this over short distances, but a new study shows that they are also capable of dispersing them over more than 300 kilometres. For researchers, this function could be key in the face of climate change, allowing the survival of many species. - migratory birds disperse seeds long distances

there's an initiative to create a great green wall in africa to stop or slow the expansion of the sahara desert.  if you want to erect the biggest green wall in the fastest time possible, then don't overlook invasives.  animals will do most of the sowing. 

also it seems unethical and immoral to prevent people in africa from eating any given tropical fruit.  but wouldn't the same be true for animals in africa?  the idea of banning gorillas from eating dragon fruit strikes me as cruel.  same with elephants.  we humans derive joy from eating these fruits, what gives us the right to deprive other animals of this joy?   

personally i have yet to experience the joy of eating a custard apple.  my san pablo tree has flowered but no fruit yet.  the tree is still on the small size so i haven't bothered with hand-pollination.

i have some passionfruit seeds from passiflora phoenicea 'ruby glow'.  the fruit came from a friend.  it's relatively large and delicious, a really nice balance of sweet and sour, but i don't get to fully appreciate it since i try my hardest not to eat any seeds.  last year i sowed the seeds and ended up with one survivor that i'm nearly certain was fathered by caerulea.  it seemed to slow down over the summer but now that the weather is cooler it has sped back up.  caerulea is borderline invasive here, so i'm curious about whether the hybrid will be more or less invasive.  i'd be surprised if it was more invasive but who knows.  i wasn't very surprised to see some eggs of the gulf fritillary butterfly on the hybrid.  not too long afterwards i started noticing a few holes on the leaves but the rate stayed low.  evidently the caterpillars prefer caerulea much more than the hybrid.  i have mixed feelings about this since i like the butterfly.  the next question is about the hybrid's fruit.  naturally i'm wondering if i will enjoy it, but i'm also curious how it will be perceived by whichever animals are responsible for dispersing caerulea.  if they prefer the hybrid fruit, then if we combine this with the hybrid's greater resistance to caterpillars, and assume adequate drought tolerance and pollinator interest, then there might be enough introgression to produce a hybrid swarm. 

in the past year i made a decent amount of effort to facilitate a fig hybrid swarm.  well, i should say a more diverse hybrid swarm since one already exists here with carica and palmata.  i've grafted quite a few species onto carica to test for compatibility.  so far tannoensis, formosana, aff heterophylla, vaccinioides and erecta seem relatively compatible.  erecta and carica have already been successfully crossed in japan.  i also have afghanistanica and palmata, but both might be carica hybrids.  lastly i have a cross between pumila and carica.  i used the syringe method to attempt pollinating carica with fraseri pollen.  even though several of the seeds sunk in water, none of them germinated.  the carica i used was fignomenal, which might have been a mistake, since its figs aren't hollow, unlike caduceus/smyrna varieties that require pollination. 

i just searched for figs algeria and found this video that i had forgotten about... Figs in Algeria Are So Good! - Weird Fruit Explorer.  do you have many varieties of figs?  what other tropical fruit do you have besides annonas? 

in my experience, most collectors are more interested in trading for seeds than for money. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant ID?
« on: December 18, 2023, 10:20:26 AM »
might be brachychiton rupestris

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: syngonium fruit?
« on: December 09, 2023, 11:50:04 AM »
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For all its material advantages, the sedentary life has left us edgy, unfulfilled. Even after 400 generations in villages and cities, we haven't forgotten. The open road still softly calls, like a nearly forgotten song of childhood. We invest far-off places with a certain romance. This appeal, I suspect, has been meticulously crafted by natural selection as an essential element in our survival. Long summers, mild winters, rich harvests, plentiful gameónone of them lasts forever. It is beyond our powers to predict the future. Catastrophic events have a way of sneaking up on us, of catching us unaware. Your own life, or your band's, or even your species' might be owed to a restless fewódrawn, by a craving they can hardly articulate or understand, to undiscovered lands and new worlds.

Herman Melville, in Moby Dick, spoke for wanderers in all epochs and meridians: "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas . . ." - Carl Sagan

atf loves to eat forbidden fruit.  every unknown fruit in the wild is essentially forbidden.  even in cultivation. 

this past summer my friend and i happened to spot a huge capulin cherry in a random front yard filled with fruit hanging over a sidewalk.  right next to it was this...



we didn't recognize it, but we were tempted to try it.  neither of us gave in to the temptation. 

throughout human history, if nobody ever gave in to the temptation to taste forbidden fruit, then we probably wouldn't be the dominant primate. 

if atf had been with me in the jungle then i'm sure he would have tasted the syngonium fruit.  he would have put the video on youtube and then we'd be marginally less ignorant about the fruit on our planet. 

ideally we'd be extremely grateful for the enrichment and enlightenment, but most likely we'd take it for granted.  no statue for atf.  no gold medal.  no hall of fame.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / syngonium fruit?
« on: December 08, 2023, 07:57:42 PM »
when i visited costa rica last year, specifically miravalles volcano in guanacaste province, one of the biggest fruit mysteries involved a syngonium...



the plant itself didn't particularly catch my attention since i've been growing a similar noid syngonium outdoors for years.  my plant has never bloomed but it has for the friend who shared it with me.  his blooms a lot each year but fruit never develops, not sure why.  maybe it's because a suitable pollinator is missing... or perhaps the plant needs cross-pollination. 

here's a pic of the syngonium fruit that i found on the jungle floor...



it was the size of a baseball and smelled very tantalizing, like banana and pineapple, similar to monstera deliciosa, which isn't surprising since they are both in the same family.  but unlike the monstera fruit, the syngonium fruit seemed to be ripe all at once, so there probably wasn't an issue with calcium oxalate crystals.  even though the seeds were a lot larger there appeared to be a decent amount of flesh.  unfortunately the fruit looked like it had been on the ground for a while, so i was too nervous to try it.  i wish that "all the fruit" had been with me! 

i read about syngonium being invasive in florida, so i figured that somebody there must have tried the fruit, but evidently it just spreads vegetatively.  it's identified as syngonium podophyllum, which has a wide distribution from mexico to bolivia so it might be the same as the one i saw in costa rica. 

anyone ever tried syngonium fruit?  most of the google results aren't very helpful.  there's a pic of the fruit on the toptropical website but i didn't find a description.  you'd figure if they had tasted the fruit then they would have mentioned it. 

the chances seem slim that something so widely grown has delicious fruit, but nobody knows it.  then again i doubt that back in the day everybody who grew monstera deliciosa knew that its fruit was delicious.  because they didn't know its scientific name? 

coincidentally, when i was in costa rica... a sloth, two toucans, and numerous other birds pooped on me, and when i returned home i scraped the poop into some pots and a few different plants popped up in them, including some that look like the same syngonium.   if you're skeptical then i guess you haven't seen the credible movie "castaway on the moon".

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