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Title: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on May 08, 2021, 11:30:44 PM
these actually grow really easy here but Im super excited for them.  My kids love them and the trees are LOADED this year!  they are royal lee and munnie royal and royal crimson.  All 3 are fruiting here very heavy fruitset. if you live in southern ca, these are awesome trees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d/20210508-172705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d)

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Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: John B on May 11, 2021, 12:15:18 AM
That looks awesome, Brad. I wanted to espalier a Royal Crimson along a concrete wall we have but was too concerned about the heat. But, of they are flourishing there, I'm sure they can handle the heat here!
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on May 11, 2021, 12:34:09 AM
Cherries like the heat.  Yeah they need some cold to trigger flowering but they grow great during summer when its hot.  They grow them in the central valley near Fresno where is crazy hot.  The cherry harvest will be done here in a few weeks then these things will put on 4-5ft of growth.  Its probably the most vigorous trees I have so plant with caution they want to get giant. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on May 11, 2021, 12:50:45 AM
I didnít know we could grow cherry here.
I got 3 trees this year because of you.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on May 11, 2021, 12:53:39 AM
They grow well, less chill requirement than most of the pluots and apricots.  Next winter I'm going to try and source a few cherry rootstocks and grow more they are so good, can't have too many cherries. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: John B on May 11, 2021, 03:28:47 AM
Yep, can't get a standard rootstock here! I've been looking at the dawrf/semi-dwarf rootstocks that may grow slowly enough for me to train at a manageable level.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on May 11, 2021, 10:37:22 PM
ill check what rootstocks my trees are on and post them. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: NewGen on May 17, 2021, 11:48:38 PM
Looks really nice, Brad.

They grow well here in Bakersfield as well, I have to fight off the birds and squirrels. It's a constant struggle.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on May 30, 2021, 09:02:06 PM
Very nice trees Brad! Those things are beauties.

Question for you stone fruit experts: Iíve Got two cherry rootstocks growing out of one 15g pot, both rootstocks have Royal Lee and Minnie Lee grafted onto them. Is it better to separate them now or when they go dormant?

(https://i.postimg.cc/pm60BH64/B8-AB3040-5-D0-B-442-C-86-F1-614-A5-B9-BF48-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pm60BH64)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: SoCal2warm on June 02, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
have some trees a little further inland, maybe 10 or 20 miles south of Irvine, and they are very reluctant to fruit.
The Royal Lee have not fruited yet, even after 5 years. One of the Royal Minnie is grafted onto the top of a Bing cherry and the tree has reached a medium big size. This year I got one single cherry fruit on it, which looks like it will ripen. This is the first fruit so far that hasn't dropped. I also got a small bunch of maybe 7 cherries on another Royal Minnie tree in a container that is in mostly shade. It's base rootstock was overgrown and the suckers needed to be cut off, and the top grafted part of the cherry did not look so good; it might have only sent out fruit because it was under severe stress and dying. The cherry fruits were small and looked like not a lot of vigor went into creating them, like they began overripening before the cherries had fully matured, although the flavor was just okay.
Maybe when the trees get bigger and a colder winter than usual comes along there will be more luck.

The area is in solid zone 10 (on the border between 10a/10b).

The Royal Lee trees seems to be growing just between okay and good.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on June 02, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
my house is 16 miles inland 1150ft elevation in the hot part of san diego county.  Cherries are not a problem here.  Another mwmber on this forum I know lives nearby in Poway also had tons of cherries on his minnie royal, royal lee.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: zephian on June 03, 2021, 01:30:15 PM
Cherries like the heat.  Yeah they need some cold to trigger flowering but they grow great during summer when its hot.  They grow them in the central valley near Fresno where is crazy hot.  The cherry harvest will be done here in a few weeks then these things will put on 4-5ft of growth.  Its probably the most vigorous trees I have so plant with caution they want to get giant.
Monday we hit 108. All the cherries in our area have responded in kind and I swear they grew a foot overnight.

I grafted some cherries I got from you on my pluot and my 4 in 1 cherry last year and they are producing like mad already, thought they have a tendency to create 'double' cherries.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3d8JvSmz/PXL-20210525-011847325.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3d8JvSmz)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: CherimoyaDude on June 28, 2021, 01:53:46 AM

Quote from: spaugh
link=topic=43803.msg428188#msg428188 date=1620531044
these actually grow really easy here but Im super excited for them.  My kids love them and the trees are LOADED this year!  they are royal lee and munnie royal and royal crimson.  All 3 are fruiting here very heavy fruitset. if you live in southern ca, these are awesome trees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d/20210508-172705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d)

(https://i.postimg.cc/njzXX8DJ/20210508-172403.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njzXX8DJ)

Do you sell scions or know a good place to buy them? Having been trying to find good lowchill stonefruit for socal.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Francis_Eric on June 28, 2021, 10:26:58 AM
So cal Maybe you should get a few native cherry seeds eventually graft yours onto them.

 prunus ilicifolia (holly leaf cherry )BAJA CA)desert
*link I saved 5 years ago (I like your plants like Ocean spray (in Apple/ rose family)
Of Nursery (note search does not work that great No results for Prunus(

https://fourthcornernurseries.com/plant/prunus-emarginata/
(edit contact) https://fourthcornernurseries.com/contact/

*random link with Native species  )
https://calscape.org/loc-California/Prunus%20(all)?newsearch=1&srchcr=sc60d81b4464f26
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on July 01, 2021, 10:00:30 PM

Quote from: spaugh
link=topic=43803.msg428188#msg428188 date=1620531044
these actually grow really easy here but Im super excited for them.  My kids love them and the trees are LOADED this year!  they are royal lee and munnie royal and royal crimson.  All 3 are fruiting here very heavy fruitset. if you live in southern ca, these are awesome trees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d/20210508-172705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjTLyB0d)

(https://i.postimg.cc/njzXX8DJ/20210508-172403.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njzXX8DJ)

Do you sell scions or know a good place to buy them? Having been trying to find good lowchill stonefruit for socal.

Yes I do sell lots of low chil stone fruit I have all the good ones.  It's best to do the grafting in January or February.  If you ask me at that time I will have them.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: CherimoyaDude on July 29, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
Do you know what would work on apricot rootstock? This is for top working an old apricot tree
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on February 21, 2022, 09:10:59 PM
Champagne Coral needs 400 chill hours but itís flowering here.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on February 21, 2022, 09:26:28 PM
I noticed a lot of my stuff is blooming well this year.  Things that normally dont bloom real heavy.  The cherry are doing a super bloom. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on February 22, 2022, 03:41:37 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/21KrbJqC/48920-C4-C-D058-4-C23-BEB5-117-C435980-A6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/21KrbJqC)

Royal Lee and Coral Champagne both are flowering at the same time.
They are in the same group so they canít cross pollinate each other.

Royal Crimson can provide pollens to both.
Tree is small so no flowers.
No cherries this year.

Anyone in SoCal have high chill hour cherry flowering?
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 04, 2022, 09:32:29 PM
i got 6 maxima 14 rootstocks from burnt ridge nursery.  They were around 7$ each.  Showed up today, big gauge, 5ft long.  Great buy if anyone needs rootstocks, their stuff is primo.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 05, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
Iíve been eyeing them but I canít buy.
No space here.

Iím trying to buy a Royal Rainier tree but have not found a retailer.
Maybe multi graft into 2 trees then remove 2 trees.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 05, 2022, 06:03:43 PM
Can you find scions and just graft some branches of the one you want to try?
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 05, 2022, 11:08:01 PM
Cherry blooms

(https://i.postimg.cc/zLx9BhCw/20220305-151749.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zLx9BhCw)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 06, 2022, 12:21:22 AM
Massive bloom wow!

I would graft if I can get scions locally.
Iím last on the mail route so scions would get cooked inside mail truck.
0 success for all scions from mail orders so far.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 13, 2022, 11:27:37 PM
Cherries really set a ton of fruit now.  Its every single flower set.  The 3 different trees overlapped flowering time pretty good too.  Ive got a lot of trees but these are some of the most prized by everyone here.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrG0dYTL/download-20220313-202535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrG0dYTL)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: JCorte on March 14, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Brad, your cherry trees look great.  How old are your trees?  Do you know which rootstock they are on?  I have cherry trees on mazzard, maxma 14, and gisela, and I think the one at home is on colt.  Trees were planted a year ago and a few more last month, so canít tell a difference in their growth yet.  I got Mazzard and Mahaleb rootstocks from Burnt Ridge last year.  Also got several nemaguard from them. 

Looking forward to having an awesome harvest like you one day!

Janet
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 14, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Im pretty sure they are on maxima 14.   I have the tags that say in the garage, will check on it.  Trees are maybe 5 years old.  Not sure exactly, they grow super fast.  Im pretty sure there was no fruit for 3 years then year 4 was a good crop and this year looks to be super bumper crop.  The smaller tree in the middle is a couple years younger.  The 2 outside ones are minnie royal and royal lee and the middle is royal crimson.

The hard part is keeping the birds off of them. 

I also got 6 more mazzard stocks in the mail a few weeks ago that I still need to pick spots for.  Was considering right in front of my house so i can camp out there with a shotgun when its harvest time. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: JCorte on March 15, 2022, 10:27:48 AM
The Maxma sounds promising.  Near the house sounds good.  Hope you get such an abundance that the birds donít make a dent.  Iím thinking about planting extra mulberries on the edge of our property for the birds, so they leave my cherries and figs alone.  Not sure if thatíll just attract more birds.  Iím trialing several other cherries, will share with you any that do well for us.

Janet
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 16, 2022, 01:07:42 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/K3kfYrdq/A83-DF7-AC-B4-B1-4-BFE-ADCB-5-F4776227-D1-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3kfYrdq)

Coral Champagne blooms well here in SoCal.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 17, 2022, 12:14:10 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/K3kfYrdq/A83-DF7-AC-B4-B1-4-BFE-ADCB-5-F4776227-D1-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3kfYrdq)

Coral Champagne blooms well here in SoCal.

Nice

What kind of tree is the big citrus in the bqckground?  Looks like some sort or orange tree maybe? 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 17, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
Itís 40 year old Navel orange.
Most years itís too tart for me.
Some years itís good.

We make OJ from it.

Iím surprise to see a few Royal Lee fruits.
I thought RL and Coral Champagne can not pollinate each other.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 19, 2022, 07:29:24 PM
Where did you get the corral champaigne tree?  Is there a place that sells scionwood?  I planted 6 mazzard rootstocks and will top work them in January 2023.  Will need to decide what types to graft. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 19, 2022, 07:49:07 PM
The Maxma sounds promising.  Near the house sounds good.  Hope you get such an abundance that the birds donít make a dent.  Iím thinking about planting extra mulberries on the edge of our property for the birds, so they leave my cherries and figs alone.  Not sure if thatíll just attract more birds.  Iím trialing several other cherries, will share with you any that do well for us.

Janet

Ive got an 1/8th acre fenced off and a chicken coop in the middle of it.  We planted 8 mulberry trees, 6 pom plants, 6 cherries, and a couple fig trees in it.  Theres still room for more stuff in that area.  Its the fertilizer factory for the rest of the groves.  Its not near the house though, birds are going to be eating a lot of mulberry and cherry in a few years. 

I put some tropical shade tree in front of our house a few years ago.  Grew it from seed.  Its called Peltophorum pterocarpum.  It has yellow flowers and is already flowering.  Its kind of unique for california.  But i wasnt overly attached to it.  Was going to rip it out and put the cherries there but my son wanted to keep it so we left it alone.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 19, 2022, 08:26:09 PM
I bought Coral Champagne from Costco last year.
It was huge for $40.
I bought it to graft flowering cherry.
Iíve decided to keep it for fruit.

A friend told me today that Costco have cherry tree now.
I havenít been to Costco so you need to stop by to check.

If you still want scion in winter I can send you for postage.


Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 19, 2022, 08:42:59 PM

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According to picture above, Royal Lee and Coral Champagne can NOT pollinate each other.
I set both trees side by side.
Both trees are holding fruits.

Either my trees are mislabeled or bees are bringing pollens from somewhere.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 19, 2022, 11:47:32 PM
your trees probably just self pollinated or they are cross pollinating.  i doubt they would be mislabeled.  they are likely self pollinating but do better with a 2nd tree around. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: mangoba on March 23, 2022, 07:23:21 PM
Seanny, how many chill hours do you get for Coral Champagne to flower that much?
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 24, 2022, 12:33:34 AM

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Iím in Orange County.
The closest weather station to me is in Irvine.
Not many chill hours.

The label on my tree is Coral Champagne.
Info on it says itís self sterile.
My 2 adjacent neighbors donít have cherry trees.
My smaller Royal Lee has few flowers.
Its pollen is not compatible to CC.
Yet both trees are holding fruits.
CC is holding a lot of fruits.
Some are in clusters.
Iím scratching my head on this.

Iím keeping all my cherry trees in pots, to keep their roots cold in winter.
Itís just a hunch.
I need to read some more.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Longranger on March 24, 2022, 03:49:23 PM
For what it is worth I see some fruit set on both my Governer wood, and Kansas sweet cherries in Bonsall Ca this year. They are still flowering. Also have Stella near by but it has not broken bud yet. Minnie Royal, and Royal Lee will be going in the ground in a few weeks after they have filled the pots they were purchased in with roots. Fingers crossed for a nice harvest in a couple of years.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 27, 2022, 06:24:55 PM
Itís good to hear that you are getting fruits by the border.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: slopat on March 27, 2022, 06:51:17 PM
You all in San Diego are fortunate the cherry blooms have finished.  My Stella just opened up a couple of days ago up here and today the wind is howling! Storms is coming in, nice to finally get some rain but it would have been better a month ago.

The Royal Crimson I bought this year is too small but just budded out too, the 80'F+ last week probably helped but brrr this weekend.

Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 28, 2022, 01:37:51 AM
my stuff is still full of flowers but it looks like a ton of fruit set also.  Like a stupid amou t of fruit.  Its almost comical the amout of cherries these trees are making. 

Birds will be feasting on them soon. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: Seanny on March 30, 2022, 07:46:47 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/18stb5RP/D224-BB8-A-4-C5-B-49-D7-88-C7-300-DE54-FB71-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18stb5RP)

Cherry seems to be easy to graft.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on March 31, 2022, 01:10:03 PM
Its easy, all the stone fruit stuff is super easy.  I did a bunch of sloppy grafts one year thinking many would fail and thry all took still. 
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on April 25, 2022, 07:52:53 PM
Cherries are getting ripe now.  We have been getting a big bowl everyday.  Birds are busy eating the dwarf mulberries!  Thry havent touched the peaches or cherries.  And theres still tons of mulberries.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3dg4K4jt/20220227220756-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3dg4K4jt)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: seng on April 25, 2022, 11:51:07 PM
Wow!

You inspired me.  I'm going to plant the Royal types as well.
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on April 27, 2022, 04:31:39 PM
No critters are getting them amazingly. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9CHHxkL/download-20220426-201706.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9CHHxkL)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: slopat on April 27, 2022, 04:47:40 PM
Nice! The cherries are still just past the flowering stage up here but Now I know where to plant the Thai Dwarfs!!!!   :)
Title: Re: cherries in san diego what?
Post by: spaugh on April 27, 2022, 04:56:28 PM
plant the thai dwarf just out of sight of the cherry tree.  birds like those thai dwarfs.  they are pooping it on my new concrete.  But its still better than eating all the cherries.