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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 10:54:22 PM »
Any idea what the success rate of grafting self-type is?  Like regular COTRG onto itself.  Maybe eugenias have low take rate?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 10:30:57 PM »
I had a pedalai in my greenhouse and ripped it out when I realized how big they get.  Kwai muk and cempedek seem like the most viable ones for containers.  I have a marang but it looks like it is going to get massive and I will probably have to rip it out too before it fruits but I have hope.  My greenhouse ceiling is about 11ft up, so thst is the limit.  I think Ben mentioned in another thread that marang is tip bearing also which isnt good for a tree that requires aggressive pruning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 06:20:47 PM »
That's a shame.  They look so similar, too.  With all the new eugenias floating aroud now it would be nice to have a cocktail tree rather than a million individual plants. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 03:41:30 PM »
I have most of the artocarpus you listed, SplorKeLZ, but I assumed they were not graft compatible so I never even considered it.  I have never grafted jackfruit anyway so I don't know what my success rate would be with jackfruit-on-jackfruit but I could try some of the other grafts at some point.  Some of these have really different growth habits I suspect it would not work out well.  For example, pedalai leaves are like 100x the area/size of kwai muk leaves

Where can you get scion for all these varieties you mentioned??  I have only ever found seeds & seedlings
ahh, that is the question

Yeah these are not as available as you might hope.  You can find marang, cempedek, kwai muk, pedalai seedlings occasionally but I've never seen even a seedling keledang or lakoocha for sale in mainland US, much less mature scion or cloned trees. 

I mean, if you do find them let us know :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:25:07 PM »
Where can you get scion for all these varieties you mentioned??  I have only ever found seeds & seedlings

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« on: February 22, 2024, 12:32:34 PM »
Thank you for the responses.  When I did the marcott on my inga I wasn't thinking about the stripped wood still being alive and useful, so I wasn't paying attention to how well the peat bag was covering it, only focusing on the child side of the girdled patch.  I am now thinking it is imperative that the whole stripped wood area is covered by the peat bag to keep it from drying out and cutting off the flow of water up from the parent tree to the child.  I went to check on my work and it looks like I do have the wood completely covered, and the branch has not wilted. 

this is what I was worried about:

I also found an article segment specifically about air-layer versus cuttings for Inga.  It says 100% success with airlayer, 55% success with cuttings *that still have all their leaves*, and 0% success with cuttings that had their leaves removed.  Very interesting.  Also, it mentions rooting hormone is beneficial here, something I had also included in my effort.

New Forests1   5:3751, 1998
Vegetative propagation of Inga feuillei from shootcuttings and air layering
Compound leaves were either reduced in area or removed entirely before auxin pretreatmentwith 0, 0.3, or 0.8% indolebutyric acid (IBA) followed by sticking under mist or in a poly-ethylene enclosure.
Leafless cuttings did not root regardless of moisture management system  or auxin pretreatment, whereas 55% rooting of leafy cuttings was observed.
Leafy cuttings rooted significantly better under mist than in a polyethylene enclosure.
Auxin treatment at thehigher level increased rooting percentage approximately two fold for larger diameter cuttings(8.1 to 20 mm), but  had no effect on the smaller  cuttings  (2 to 8 mm), and resulted in anapproximately three fold increase in the number of roots/rooted cutting for both stem diameterclasses.
Auxin treatment did not affect rooting percentage of leafy softwood cuttings underfog, however it did increase the number of roots per rooted cutting.
One hundred percent of airlayered shoots rooted within 5 weeks with or without auxin pretreatment, and all rooted layerssurvived transplanting to soil.
Possible implications of this research on agroforestry, selection,genetic improvement, and conservation are discussed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:01:02 PM »
Brian, you must have picked them to late. I know if they are over ripe, it isn't good at all, I can't eat it. You should cut/eat it when it is full size, squeeze it and if it gives, pick it and try it, you will like it.

I only had a few bad tasting fruits, and it was because they were over ripe.

I assumed that was the case, but then I picked a bunch of them still quite hard and let them counter ripen to various degrees, and they all had this same off taste.  Again... it might just be a bad crop, or just me. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / marcotting vs rooting question
« on: February 21, 2024, 06:31:21 PM »
I had never attempted air-layering / marcotting before, but I have done cleft grafting and rooting many times.  I was reading about marcotting and watching some videos and it seems odd to me that the leaves on the selected branch are left on.  I always remove all or nearly all leaves when rooting of grafting to keep them from drying out. 

After the bark (w/ phloem) is removed, isn't marcotting functionally the same as rooting?  Or is the wood (xylem) still transporting water into the branch and is this the reason marcotting is superior to cutting the limb off entirely and rooting it? 

I just attempted this on my ice cream bean tree and I must admit I feel like the girdled branch is going to just wilt completely by tomorrow because these things are so thirsty.  I can't imagine it is uptaking any significant amount of moisture from the peat bag/wrapping.

Sorry if this seems like such a basic question but I found a million guides on grafting but none went into any detail about *why* it is done this way.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 21, 2024, 05:27:44 PM »
Which variety of black sapote did you get a grafted tree of, brian?

I got a Bernicker.  I didn't know anything about the varieties so I just picked one

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 21, 2024, 02:50:51 PM »
I have had one in Central Florida 9b/10a for about 8 years or so. Its roughly 18 feet tall and would be that spread if I didnt cut it back every few years. I have never had any fruit/pods from it. No clue why, it gets plenty of irrigation and hasnt frozen back in a few years.

Does it even flower?  Mine flowered for a year or two before setting and pods for the first time last year.  I dunno if it was pollination or maturity

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 21, 2024, 12:58:53 PM »
There's a nursery in LA that had air layers at least a year old (probably two based on the span of the lateral branches, these had been sitting there a while) that were fruiting in five gallon pots in December, like eight or nine pods on a four-foot tree. I picked up two and one is still in the five gallon pot, one just got planted, both are putting on a new round of flowers.  Probably depends on the tree. I can take pictures tomorrow of the one I just planted. EDIT: I'm trying to remember which freaking nursery, it was south of Compton.

That's really interesting... I should try marcotting a new child off my seedling tree and replace the parent with it to see if I can have a smaller one.  Even if the child ends up growing just as big as the parent if it fruits much sooner it could be a perpetual replacement every few years while still getting fruit.   

Maybe that will give me something to do while I wait for spring :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 10:07:05 PM »
Well now I want a new white sapote.  I just got a grafted black sapote, too.  I want to see how much better it is than my seedling one.

They're the most creamy (best) when allowed to become very ripe.

Yup, I let my canistel ripen until they can't hold their own weight anymore and start to become flat on the bottom and when cut open the flesh closest to the seed is just starting to become translucent. Then they must be eaten immediately or they'll be totally rotten by the next day.

I started some Ross Sapote seeds last year.  I don't think I cracked them, I can't remember.  If I did the usual way I do it is to get vice grip pliars and squeeze them until they start to crack but not totally opening the shell.  The idea is just to get water to penetrate easily and allow them to crack themselves open more easily.  I don't think it is absolutely necessary.  If you are handy with power tools you could try using a grinder, sander, cutting wheel, etc. to cut into the hard shell a bit instead of trying to crack it with compression.

I didn't get great germination rate on the seeds, I think of the 10 or so I started I ended up with only two healthy seedlings.  About half rotted before sprouting and many of the ones that sprouted died off before growing much. 

I have an older seedling that started flowing at 4 years old, while still fairly small.  I have a thead with pictures here: .  This was last year, no fruit set yet but hoping it will this year.  My canistel set flowers and no fruit for a year or so, but now it sets a ton of fruit. 

I *believe* the seedling fruit is supposed to be quite close to the parent, but with some minor variance. Ross Sapote seems to be commonly grown from seed but I have also seen it for sale grafted.  I have never actually tried the fruit but I am looking forward to it.  I actually bought a grafted one when I was getting impatient with the seedling, but then the seedling started flowering and the grafted one is still tiny.  I guess if I get the opportunity I will compare the seedling to the grafted one and see.  I'm not sure if there is a lineage back to some "original Ross" or if grafted ones are just scion from a random mature seedling. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Wax Jambu
« on: February 20, 2024, 04:09:46 PM »
Looks nice and healthy.  Is it grafted?  I heard they take a long time from seed

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 11:13:35 AM »
I see alot of gardeners selling it for $2/lb so I don't know if would dedicated a space for it when it's so cheap.

I don't think SplorKeLZ will be finding many local sellers for $2/lb in Seattle :)    Unless it is making it up from CA.    I have never seen white or black sapote in any market in area, even stores that have exotic fruit sections. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 08:47:36 AM »
Gross? Can you elaborate?

Off-tasting, like an overripe fruit that is beginning to spoil.  But they were all like that, tree ripened or counter ripened, I tried at various stages. 

I don't want to let my one experience speak to the whole variety, though.  I hear they can be quite good and I'll be happy to try another one from somebody else's tree :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 19, 2024, 09:44:26 PM »
My white sapote is a grafted suebell, supposedly, and I think the fruit is gross.  However, Kaz said it doesn't look right for suebell and might be something else.  It definitely is grafted, not a seedling.  I am looking forward to trying more white sapote types.

Based on my very limited experience so far I prefer black sapote

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Kinzu/Hong Kong/Fortunella hindsii seeds
« on: February 19, 2024, 07:22:53 PM »
I have a bunch from Frank still growing steadily.  They are very healthy.  No flowers yet, seedlings are still about 8in tall.  Slow growers.

Hope he's still around!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: CO2 Generator
« on: February 19, 2024, 07:10:55 PM »
I run an unvented natural gas heater in my greenhouse in winter and the CO2 levels tend to remain in the thousands of ppm for at least a few hours of daylight, long after the heater has stopped running because the sun is out.

I have no way of determining what effect it might have because I have no control to compare to.  I had some concerns about ethylene buildup causing problems - a potential problem I read about, but it doesn't seem to be causing any issues.  I have a carbon monoxide detector, obviously, and a CO2 detector to see if it ever gets to dangerous CO2 levels (nope)

I thought about setting my heater to run at regular intervals throughout the day purely to generate CO2 when temps are >55F but <85F but I didn't feel like adding another themostat.  If you find some convincing literature I might try it... the limited stuff I read made it seem it was kind of hard to make effective because the CO2 is needed most during peak growth when controlling temperature usually means venting outside air.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Anyone's citrus blooming right now?
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:55:43 PM »
Yup, all my citrus are flushing.  The kumquats are swelling some new buds but they are always behind the rest.  Everything else has new growth, flowers, or new fruitlets

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:52:41 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:36:34 PM »
Honestly I would love to see you succeed in doing this.  It might be possible, but it will be a challenge.

I am a fan of wide and shallow bonsai-style fruit trees and I have some experience with it, but I am no expert and I am not familiar with all the methods.  I use it mostly as a compromise for trees that aren't good enough to get a spot in ground but I don't want to trash them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:31:52 PM »
A white sapote seems like a good candidate to try.  A grafted one will fruit quite a bit at a modest size.  Mine made more fruit than I could eat at 4ft tall in a 20gal container.

I dunno how small a grafted black sapote can fruit as I only have seedling.  A seedling one is probably going to need to be 6ft tall or more, somewhat cumbersome indoors

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 18, 2024, 05:39:26 PM »
I am doubtful that bonsai culture will keep these fruiting at a reasonable size.  Mine didnt fruit until it had a 2.5in diam trunk.  It fills its container with 100% roots and even my root pruning it severely along with removing major limbs occasionally doesn't seem to slow its growth.

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