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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Yard Macros
« on: September 07, 2021, 01:32:39 AM »































Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedling amber jackfruit: first fruit
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:06:25 PM »
First of all thanks to the Trennerys for distributing the seeds and seedlings of this jack.

My first amber seedling fruit came ripe today. Opened it up along with a tweed crisp that was a little over ripe.

It is a multigraft tree and both fruits are from the same tree.

The amber seedling  fruits on the tree are smaller, more uniform in size with very broad flat spikes. Average looks about 6-7 pounds. The tweed part of the tree fruits around 15 pounds.

On opening amber is a pinkish orange, looks like there is a lot of latex in the picture but the latex is very watery and not sticky. Ate a quarter of the fruit no oil or gloves and can still use my iPhone. Tweed is burnt orange yellow, less visible latex but probably slightly more sticky. Given the amber seedling is just ripe and the tweed crisp was starting to get some blotches on the skin, amber looks to be lower latex.

Bulb size and edible percentage looks higher on the crisp.

Fruit- both equally crisp. Amber miles ahead in flavour. Tweed is very sweet but definite muskyness to it. Amber seedling more balanced flavours, slight acid tone, strong clean bubblegum tropical flavour. After eating a quarter of the fruit (oops) started getting a little of that jackfruit after taste.

I’ll be letting the amber part of the tree take over more. It is more cold sensitive so far but if it keeps producing smaller good quality fruits then it will be a winner for me.










Cheers.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tweed Crisp Jackfruit
« on: March 20, 2020, 11:20:24 PM »
Here’s some information on this variety for the other Australians on the board. There aren’t many grafted jacks readily available here and little information on the ones we can get. The tweed crisp is a seedling selection from tropical fruit world in Duranbah NSW. It is available by mail order as a grafted tree from Daley’s nursery in kyogle nsw.

Tree: pretty standard looking tree, larger leaves than some of the selections from North Queensland. Seems to withstand cold well. I have an amber seedling grafted to the tree and that 1/4 of the tree looks pretty sad in the winter. Haven’t had any troubles with dieback on pruning.

Fruit: This tree is still small but carries a lot of fruit. I took 6 green and 9 ripe fruit this year. Avg ripe fruits about 15 pounds. Flesh is bright orange on fruit that have just ripened and light burnt orange when really ripe. Latex is present but not copious amounts. Texture is crisp. Flavour is pretty standard, I find it improves with a day or two of refrigeration. It’s very sweet but my brix meter has taken a walk, so I’ll see if I can get a reading later.

This is the tree, might be about 4 years old.


I picked and cleaned 3 fruits totalling 24.6kg




Cut fruit showing latex after 5 minutes




Quartered and cored




Total cleaned bulbs, all seed/inedible bits removed 7421g (30.2%)
Total seeds 1024g (4.2%)

Sample of cleaned bulbs. Seem more orange in real life but close enough.




Hopefully that’s mildly useful to anyone considering getting one of these from Daley’s.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Giant yellow megalanthus update
« on: September 22, 2019, 09:27:48 PM »
Been growing and fruiting a number of these seeds acquired from dragonfruit101 a few years back. I’ve had 4 vines give a few fruits each now. Still lots of growing to go on the vines but here’s what I’ve noticed so far.
- although the offspring have been similar in vine appearances, there have been some noticeable differences in the fruit. One vine seems makes a fruit similar size to what gets posted online, the other 3 give smaller fruits. Only 2 of the vines really puff up and get rounded fruit. The one making the biggest fruit is also the smallest vine.
- I’ve given away a number of seedlings and cuttings, so might be a bit of a lucky dip if you acquired a giant yellow from northern New South Wales in the last few years.

Here are some pictures and observations (I’m going to catch hell for the amount of green but at our location it seems they go watery and insipidly sweet at full yellow. At this stage still very sweet and still some flavour. After eating a few side by side the giant may be a little sweeter but probably couldn’t tell them apart blindfolded.

Regular mega
-this is probably my second biggest one this year of the second crop (I usually get a few big ones late summer then more smaller ones in spring).
- long spines brush off easily, standard shape.
- vine is scalloped, usually pretty thin about 2 inches.
Giant seedling with bigger fruit
-2 this sized and a runt for this flowering.
-short spines, still pretty easy to brush off but the shorter spines near the base are a little tenacious. Rounder with less dimples. Skin seems a bit thicker.
-vine not scalloped, a bit thicker, maybe 3-3.5 inches on the newest growth.
-haven’t had any diseases on any of the yellows. We get some stem rot here on reds/whites/hybrids.

Giant vine


Giant weight


Regular vine


Giant on the vine


Regular on the vine


Regular weight


Cut open


Anyone else pulling fruit off these seedlings yet?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lyndall Canistel
« on: August 14, 2018, 02:15:07 AM »
There are few grafted Canistel cv’s available in Australia and poor information on grafted varieties from seedling selections. Daley’s sells a one called Lyndall. It is supposed to be a moist variety. I picked up a Lyndall a few years ago and could find no real information about it. It gave a few fruits this year so here is a comparison with some other moist type seedlings that are at a friend’s place.

#1, Lyndall, #2 left to right

#1




#2




Lyndall




Canistel seem to ripen from the seed out, so really seedy varieties are often quite moist, but have terrible flesh recovery. Fleshy Varieties can be dry near the skin. Seedy ones also seem to ripen faster/uniformly which means that there is less time for skin lesions to grow. I tend to let Canistel sit until the first skin blemishes threaten to become rot spots.

#1- Rounded with a point, furrowed skin. 4-5 large seeds.  Stem end cracks at egg yolk stage. Ripens quickly and has moist to wet flesh with classic Canistel taste. Flesh between seeds is fibrous and core is corky.

#2- Elongated with bulge at seeds. 1-3 medium seeds. Very rarely cracks. Takes a while to ripen and if handled carefully can be very moist. This one got a rot spot before it was fully ripe. Good flesh recovery.  Classic Canistel taste. Minimal flesh between seeds, and seed cluster separates out easily.

Lyndall- Top shaped. The 2 so far had 1 seed, might be poor pollination. Fine cracks develop on ripening, but don’t furrow into flesh. I wanted to compare taste to the others so ate it before it was fully ripe. Texture was creamy and smooth like mousse. Less musky taste than the others but still classic Canistel.

Long story short Lyndall was good. If it didn’t crack on ripening that would be nice. Lyndall would have held out for another day or two and gotten moister had I let it. It was better than most of the seedling fruit I’ve had and better than Aurea. For what is available in Australia I think you’d be better off with a grafted Lyndall than risking a seedling.

Rob






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Yard Macros
« on: October 28, 2017, 07:30:26 PM »
Start of dragonfruit season again, picking the last of the yellow megalanthus today.

Aztec Gem putting on her first flower of the season

Inside the mouth of an S8

Cosmic Charlie coming along

One of the Trellises

Some new growth on the giant megalanthus seedling, maybe this is the year

Hopefully juicy pearl (seedling) puts on some growth now that the heat is coming

New flush of flowers (and leaves) to start the season for the mamey

Regular mega coming into flower for the summer crop

Acerola liking the recent rains


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mamey- another year?
« on: August 04, 2017, 06:10:15 PM »
Its the middle of winter here and we're pushing zones a bit so shes looking a little yellow, but what do you think. Pull off the fruit and get another year of growth?













Green sapote grafted on seems to handle the cold




Nectarine (sunraycer) on the other end of the climate scale




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / First fruit: Rollinia
« on: March 16, 2017, 10:22:49 PM »
Just harvested my first home grown rollinia. Thought I would share some pics from seedling to fruit


21/02/2015- newly planted rollinia on right and soursop on left by fence




27/11/2015- espalier frame installed




22/12/2016- setting fruit, no hand pollenation


















17/03/2017
Picked the first one, still setting more fruits. Unfortunately the flavor was not the best, sweet but not alot of the lemony tang I have had in other rollinia.  On the plus side it set heavily without any hand pollenation,  few seeds and firmer flesh. Hopefully the taste improves with age.

And bonus, the neighboring soursop has set 4 fruits on its own.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is in season in Hawaii?
« on: February 27, 2017, 12:30:49 PM »
I'll be on the big island this week, wondering what's in season right now at the markets.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Australian Fertilizers
« on: January 26, 2017, 10:41:35 PM »
Looking for advice either from Aussie growers or anyone who wants to look at the analysis of a few of the fertilizers that are available at the local depot.

YaraMila Complex 25kg bag $33
Nutrients
N   12%
P   4.8%
K   15%
Ca   2.5%
Mg   1.6%
S   8%
B   0.015%
Fe   0.2%
Mn   0.02%
Zn   0.022%

Nitrophoska special 12-5-14-8 25Kg bag $30
http://www.incitecpivotfertilisers.com.au/~/media/Files/Nitrophoska%20Special%20Brochure.pdf

Amgro prolific 12-5-14 or 10-2-20 (banana) 20kg bag $20
http://amgrowcorporate.net.au/barmac/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Prolific-Range_2-bags-PIS-1.pdf

And for foliar TE they have
CMX TE Foliar 500g powder is $26
Cu 1.7% as EDTA
Fe 3.34% as EDTA
Mn 1.7% as EDTA
Zn 0.6% as EDTA
Boron 0.875%
Mo 0.023%

Right right now I'm just using chicken manure pellets, horse manure, blood an bone (whichever is available, cheapest, broken bags etc) mixed with rock crusher dust with some TE spray quarterly. I throw some potash around before the bloom cycle starts and a little more on bananas. Trees are all young and just coming into bearing. Still not entirely sure I want to start with chemical fertilizer, but looking at all the options. Might be time to get a little more scientific. I've noticed some deficiencies showing up in the black sapote(mg), citrus(zn or mn?) and jackfruit(mg). Really I've been fertilizing without any real "plan", and I figure like anything in life I'd be better off If i had one. Soil sampling is underway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Trellised Annona fruit thinning
« on: January 12, 2017, 04:14:54 AM »
Does anyone have advice on how much fruit load is ideal on trellised Annona?  I thin my trellised stonefruit to one a foot, which seems to give good fruit quality. I have a trellised rollinia with 4 wires, each 10 feet long, 20 inches between wires. I'm up to about 14 fruit set with lots of blooms still coming. Given the size of a rollinia fruit, when should I start thinning?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jaboticaba ID?
« on: November 20, 2016, 02:57:33 PM »
I received this jaboticaba as a white seedling from a forum member. The growth and leaves are quite different than a white given to me recently.  At first I thought it was a deficiency,  but I have grafted it on grimal and sabara and the growth remains the same. The odd thing is that the leaf margins curl under, especially in brighter light, and it is very lanky/droopy.

Very new growth



Starting to harden




Old growth



This is one of the grafted ones.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Biggest Red Jaboticaba
« on: November 07, 2016, 06:15:46 PM »
Interested in seeing how big these have gotten and how old before they get there. I haven't seen any pics or video's of any larger than Adams large potted one. Are there any bigger ones around?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Looking for Starling
« on: July 14, 2016, 01:39:38 AM »
Hey if anyone has a way to get a hold of Starling can you PM me?
Thanks

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dragonfruits from today
« on: February 25, 2016, 05:02:46 AM »

From large to small Condor, Jackie Lee and Columbian Red. Condor was cross pollenated with a columbian, the other two had to self pollenate.








I liked Jackie lee the best, it has a strong sour component, like a tart green grape or granny smith apple. It is the first time I've had it and it is definitely different. I thought condor had a grape/kiwi taste like most purple fleshed hybrids but a little sweeter than most. The columbian was a little overripe so very sweet with a musky rose/floral taste. The wife liked condor the best, then jackie lee followed by the columbian.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dragonfruit grafting update
« on: December 25, 2015, 06:01:33 PM »
I've grafted a number of dragonfruit since last February.  Mostly interested in shortening time to fruiting so I can do crosses and get the results a little sooner.
This first one is a flower bud from a 4 inch juvenile scion in well under a year.



This is a yellow on white grafted late last feb, young graft photo in march and older graft and flower buds today



Last ones here are some grafts done last april and the resulting buds and flowers this morning.










So overall seems like it would be useful for shortening the generation times between crosses, to allow quicker variety development.

Merry Christmas

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / A few pictures
« on: November 26, 2015, 05:04:41 PM »
We moved to a new house 2 years ago next week. The yard is still a constant construction zone, but here are some pics. Build as much as I can from scrap so can't say its the victory garden but hey, as long as it fruits.



Grafted lyndall canistel espalier giving first blooms



Concrete post and rail dragonfruit trellis

Araca boi first blooms

More df trellis (aztec gem, dark star, cosmic charlie, columbian red, condor, s8)

Sabara candelabra espalier,  I will be much older by the time these 4 sabara and 2 grimal are grown in.

Mamey sapote, done well for 2 winters. One in a pot and planted out the next.


Sunraycer nectarine

Donut peach (called angel peach here but I think is the same as ufo in florida)

Sunraycer pruned back, going to graft some cordons to other varieties.

Soursop and rollina espalier on sunward facing retaining wall, made it through winter with no leaf drop or burn.

Tatura orchard slowly filling out, being taken over by pumpkins





 Fruit fly/cabbage moth exclusion garden. So little will survive the pest onslaught without netting

Egg machines

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / carissa macrocarpa propagation
« on: November 18, 2015, 06:49:26 PM »
I want to have a go at propagating a prostrate Carissa for the front garden. Some sites say cuttings work, others say you need to marcott. I imagine with a prostrate one you can ground layer with some hormone? Anyone have experience with this?

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia spacing
« on: October 31, 2015, 07:16:25 AM »
I'm putting some garcinias into the ground, but haven't been able to find much info on how much room people are giving lucs and achachairu.  I know they can both become large trees but for back yard culture what do you think. I have north/south rows 6m apart. The area I have left is 18m long with an avocado to the south and the property boundary (faces an open field) to the north, (in oz so sun from the north). I can do 4 trees on 4.3m centers or 5 at 3.4. I imagine at 3.4 they would end up being a bit of a hedge. I wouldn't mind them growing together as it would give the yard some privacy. Any thoughts? Ideally I would like to fit 2 lucs, an achachairu and leave a pair of spaces in case I ever find some sweets.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Multi rootstock trial
« on: October 16, 2015, 12:29:20 AM »
This whole multiple rootstock thing has me interested,  mostly because there is very little solid evidence or experimental data.
I started practicing on jackfruit



Then onto bigger game





Looks like I should end up with 4 of each experimental group and 5 control mexicans. Now off to the (very slow) races.

Cheers

Rob



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ross sapote
« on: September 29, 2015, 05:15:25 AM »
Picked up 3 varieties of canistel at the market, does this one look like a ross to you? Last picture is comparing the 2 seeds in this one to the 4 seeds in a pointed type.










Thanks in advance
Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / scarlet vs. red jaboticaba
« on: June 02, 2015, 03:48:02 PM »
Has anyone tried both and want to comment on any differences in fruiting, taste, cultural requirements? Exotic jabs are hard to get around here  and debating whether it is worthwhile chasing the red as I have a few scarlets that would eventally be a small hedge on the boundary with the neighbors.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / perlite/vermiculite soiless mixes
« on: May 11, 2015, 07:06:32 PM »
After accidentally loosing 3/4 the root mass repotting a largish citrus (coir/bark/perlite/compost mix that had compacted 25%) I am willing to make the switch to a lighter airier medium. I thought I had a good grip on the rootball but the thing fractured while moving it to the new pot. I think part of the downfall was using worm castings every couple of weeks as they likely filled in all the gaps in the mix over time. The ingredients for gritty mix seem to be scarce around here, but I live about 30min away from a vermiculite/perlite mine and have access to basically unlimited pumice. I know the hydro guys use a 4:1 perlite/vermiculite mix. Has anyone tried it on longer term plantings or does the perlite break down? how about graded pumice pebble/vermiculite?

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID: plinia edulis?
« on: May 09, 2015, 05:32:50 AM »
I was at the botanical garden today and scrounged a few seedlings/sprouts from under a tree labelled myrciaria edulis. Just wanting a confirmation on id before I do the long wait. Didn't have a camera to take pictures of the parent tree unfortunately.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / dragonfruit trellis (again)
« on: April 21, 2015, 08:47:09 PM »
Not so much how to build, but has anyone seen any studies done on the productivity of single pole vs post and rail plantings? Any comments on ease of pruning, pests, harvest? I have used posts without issue but it seems like you get more area for photosynthesis on a post/rail and commercial growers seem to use both. I am planting out a new area and could use either. Have seen some comments that the reds do better on post and rail.

Posts
Pros- Easy to prune out older vines from the underside, Easy to keep cv's apart
Cons- Overhead work

Post/rail
Pros- Guessing more area for photosynthesis
Cons-?

Rob

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