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Pluots do really well in my yard, which is mostly hot and dry zone 10A, and I like it better than my Burgundy plum, Emerald drop plum, and Santa Rosa Plum.
Pluots are as juicy as plums, but with more complex flavor, and their texture stays nice and crunchy even when they overripe, unlike plums that will turn soft and mushy.
Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen fruit heavily just 2nd year in the ground, and I just bought another Flavor Grenade. Call or email Bay Laurel Nursery, they have a great selection of pluots, low prices, healthy trees, and good customer service.
Can you list all the ones you have? I was reading about Flavor Queen and I'm suspecting the pollinators needed for that one is different than those commonly listed

I got multi grafted pluots from this nursery:
They sold out but you can pre order for summer/fall 2023.
So they pollinate each other. The tree was big and fruit the 2nd year, but I am a little aware because it is on citation rootstock, but so far the tree is thriving and full of flowers now.
As many people mentioned, Flavor King is the most shy bearer of all pluots, it is the same case in my yard. Last year I got almost 100 pluots from my Dapple Dandy, and about 50 together from both Flavor Queen and Flavor Supreme, but only 2 pluots from Flavor King! And either a racoon or my gardener stole those 2!
So I cannot comment on the taste of Flavor King. Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen are both very juicy especially when I pick them later, but they don't turn soft like plums. They both are very delicious! Flavor Supreme has a little acidic kick, and quite juicy too.
This year I bought a bare root Flavor Supreme from Bay Laurel nursery, I like them because they offer nemaguard rootstock  which is supposed to be better for dry climate.
Flavor Grenade pluot can be pollinated by Dapple Dandy or Flavor King. I chose Flavor Grenade because many describes it as  flavor bomb, and it is a heavy bearer.

If you still want a plum, get a Satsuma, it gets higher point than Santa Rosa for most people for the taste. It is a heavy bearer too.

Pluots do really well in my yard, which is mostly hot and dry zone 10A, and I like it better than my Burgundy plum, Emerald drop plum, and Santa Rosa Plum.
Pluots are as juicy as plums, but with more complex flavor, and their texture stays nice and crunchy even when they overripe, unlike plums that will turn soft and mushy.
Dapple Dandy and Flavor Queen fruit heavily just 2nd year in the ground, and I just bought another Flavor Grenade. Call or email Bay Laurel Nursery, they have a great selection of pluots, low prices, healthy trees, and good customer service.

The scions arrive today. All in good size and nicely wrapped. I am very happy. Thank you for the extra too!!

Hi Mark, any cherilata scion stilk available?


Sent a PM

I didn't get a PM from you.. I don't think? Please re-send or post in here. Thanks

Shipped out a few orders today of cherimoya and sapote.

Just sent the payment yesterday, let me know if you received it or not. It seems like the PM has a little issue.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Colder than normal winter in Florida 22/23?
« on: December 22, 2022, 12:15:09 PM »
Just came across this article:

This year in my zone 10A So-Cal seems much colder than the last 2 years. My fig trees did not even shed their leaves and keep produced fruit the last 2 winters, but this year all their leaves are gone by the end of November.
We have had a few small volcano eruptions in Indonesia this year.
Some theory says the eruption is earth's natural way to cool itself down.
Not into politic, but maybe it is a possibility they can drill some holes near volcanos all over the world to combat global warming?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 23, 2022, 11:32:46 AM »
I added a little of kaffir lime juice to salmon dish  without tasting it first. Big mistake... Its not like any other limes. Its strong and bitter. I am not sure how people like it but i am ready to cull my tree since i have no use of fruits.
Yes, you are right, Makrut lime is stronger than other citrus juice. The key to avoid biterness is, we cannot squeeze this lime too hard like lemon or other lime. Just squeeze it lightly. It is also a little more acidic than regular lemon, so a little goes a long way.
Another thing, we always let makrut limes turn yellow and ripe before pick it. This was they are less acidic and almost no bitterness.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 22, 2022, 10:25:31 PM »
Diana, wow, good to know the juice has many uses for cooking. The beef salad sounds good.

Here's a few photo of my fruits, it doesn't get that many fruits on the tree yet.

Your tree looks healthy, Kaz. Makrut lime is really productive, in a few years you will be drown in citrus. When I have too many Makrut limes, I squeeze all the juice, mix it with baking soda and dish detergent, then use the mix to clean all my tiles and bathtub. Works as good as vinegar, plus my home smells very citrusy afterward.
Btw, my white Peruvian guava produces a lot of fruit this year, but they taste really bland. I think my gardener set up the drip system too often.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 22, 2022, 07:46:31 PM »
In Indonesia, we use the juice for almost everything. We marinate meat and seafood in this juice with a little salt before cooking it. If you don't want the meat too sour, just rinse it before cooking. This juice washes away any fishy/ stench smell off.

I make beef salad with this juice. Like the one in a Thai restaurant. Just grill the beef as you prefer (medium rare is my preference) with a pinch of salt, then slice it as thin as you could, put it aside. Slice red onion and cherry tomato about 1/3 of the weight of the meat, I add some sliced Thai bird chili for a kick, mix everything with the meat, pour in the makrut juice, add a teaspoon of sugar and half teaspoon of salt per 2 lbs of meat (if you like it more salty, add more salt), mix well. You can serve it right away or keep it in the fridge for half an hour for the flavor to soak in.
The meat can be substituted with shrimp, squid, or fish fillet. add some cilantro if you like it.
We also like to mix a small amount of makrut juice with peanut sauce that we serve over blanched veggies.
I also always add some makrut juice when I serve a bowl of hot chicken soup.


ChempeJack seems to grow better than chempedak for me and more cold tolerance.
Good to know you can graft chempedak onto jack, thank you Peter. Do you use cleft/wedge graft?

Hi Ethan,

I hope you still read this thread. How is your chempeJack doing? I am still debating whether to get a tree or not. The seeds i got from Hawaii are not surviving, so my only option is to buy a grafted one from Florida.
Do you ever get any fruit from your tree?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can a Cherimoya survive if I Dig It out?
« on: October 01, 2022, 03:11:54 AM »
If you have to dig it out, I would trim the cherimoya very hard, maybe down to at least 1/3 it's size today. Also, doing it on the growing season (Spring) might give it a better chance to survive.  I found cherimoyas survive nicely with little watering in SoCal.

As far as letting the fruits to mature on your presumably young mango, herm..., that's what I did few years ago; then it just stayed there for the next 3-4 years. I've been reading Simon's "How to grow mangos in SoCal" on this site, I wish I read that before I let my young mangos bear the few fruits.
Happy growing, palingkecil!

Thanks, Samu!
Yes, it was my bad to let the fruit stays on the tree.
I hope my tree is okay, after I picked all 3 fruits it flushed a lot of new growth. Fingers crossed.
My sweet tart is stunted because I let it hold 1 fruit this year.
Next year I will not let it hold any!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Can a Cherimoya survive if I Dig It out?
« on: October 01, 2022, 01:12:12 AM »
It is a Pierce cherimoya that has been 2.5 years in the ground from a 3 gallon pot.
The size is about 5 ft tall and 5 ft wide. After 2.5 years, I learned that mangoes are more worth growing in my yard.
I want to replace it with a mango tree, and if somehow I can save this Pierce cherimoya, I will put it in the pot and give it to whoever wants it.
My annonas are always drop their fruits when the weather goes above 100 degrees, and the tree still looks really ugly
with some yellow/ burnt leaves together with a lanky main trunk, despite all the extra care I do for them (my honey heart and Exotica Red don't look good either). Next I will get rid of my Exotica red/ Paxton Prolific. Geffner has 1 more year to prove it's worthiness.
Meanwhile my mangoes grow really well with the same watering schedule and a lot less care, plus I don't need to hand pollinate them.
My sugarloaf mango is in between the Pierce and the Exotica Red. While both annonas have been 2.5 years and give 0 fruit, the sugarloaf is only 1.5 years in ground, also from a 3 gallon, and gave me 3 full size delicious mangoes this year, not to mention the tree also looks very full and healthy.

My friend recommends watering the annonas more, but all my trees are in the same line of dripping system, the mangoes might die if I water more.
So, should I carefully dig the tree out and give it away, or just chop it down to pieces?

Thanks for any suggestion!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 12, 2022, 09:09:54 PM »
Speaking of which looks like my VP fruit are coming along well. Looking like late September I should be ready to harvest
This is a year for vegetative growth. My big 5" trunk PC has only ONE fruit -- not much flowers to begin with. Another big tree with cocktail graft has zero fruit that last years gave many wonderful fruits: ST Maui, Sweet tart, Okrungtong, Edward (I since topped it off and grafted Iman Passand but not took), Mahachanok; the biggest tree (HD rootstock) with LZ and Okrungtong only has 2 LZ and zero Okrung fruits. I thought this year I will have load of LZ, but all the green fruits splited with no seed. The 2 remained fruits are from late blooming in June I believe. Other trees near the house are doing better: some Alphonso the first time, and Maha as every year.
Sorry for the interuption, is ST Maui considered productive and disease free for you? I am debating to get a ST Maui or another Sugarloaf. Sugarloaf does really well in my yard and it is productive too. I remember you live in Burbank, not too far from my place.


Hello everyone,

Please share your experience on when is the best time to pick and to eat each variety of mango. It will certainly help us to know the timing so we can eat them at the peak of it's flavor.

I am new to mango growing, and have been reading almost everything in this forum to learn from all the gurus here.
Yesterday i just tried my first Kathy from my tree. It was really good, sweet, juicy, and fiberless, but lacked any complex flavor.
It certainly did not 'Wow' me. I picked it when it had about 30% yellow color and the nose already turned soft. Then I left it for about 4 days on the counter until it turned completely yellow before I ate it.
Did I leave it too long on the counter? Or did I pick it too early?

A week before I ate my Sweet Tart, and it was really delicious. It was not only very sweet and tart at the same time, but also had some very complex savory flavor to it. I picked the Sweet Tart a little early, and the color never turn completely yellow, but it was already soft when I ate it. Last year I picked it almost fully ripe, and it was just really sweet and really tart without that delicious savory flavor like this year.

This video from Sulcata Grove is very informative about when to pick and eat the Dot mango for the prime eating quality:

And I just picked some Sugarloaf yesterday because it has some yellowish blush already, I would like to know how long I need to leave it on the counter before I can eat it for the best flavor.

Below are the pictures of my Kathy and Sugarloaf.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava dropped fruit
« on: August 30, 2022, 02:45:38 AM »
Do you keep it inside the house? How many hours of sun does it get in a day? My guava won't turn yellow/sweet when it does not get enough sun.
The more sun it gets, the sweeter the fruit tastes.
Also usually most fruit trees do not produce good tasting fruits during the first few years, as the tree gets older the quality of the fruit will improve.

Most likely it was a sap infection of some sort,  gummosis or phomopsis. The leaves on a branch will one day start to look dry - just on one branch. That's the first sign. A day or 2 later the branch will start to shrivel. If you wait, the infection spreads proximally towards the main trunk. Sometimes the affected branch will turn black but not always.

My first year growing mangos and spending $$$$ shipping trees from Florida I lost 1/3 of the trees. It usually hits in late winter and early spring - February,  but especially March and April.

Thanks! Now I know what happened to my Peach Cobbler. It died in May, but it started showing symptoms in April.
How do you treat it? Just spray it with copper?

Thank you for your effort making this report. As a new mango grower I appreciate all the knowledge you share here.
I am curious about your Dot. What cause the infection?
I have a Sugarloaf too, and it grows quite well here in my dry hot yard. It even holds 3 big mangoes now(2.5 years in ground, bought it as a 3 gallon on 2019) and the fruits do not slow the growth.
Sugarloaf is not the most vigorous in my yard, but it has beautiful shape, disease free, and is holding big fruits while still growing, so I am considering to get one more tree if the mango is top tier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: S.T. Maui / ST Maui Mango
« on: August 25, 2022, 08:38:48 PM »
trying to grow it here in Southern California too.. hopefully fruit in a few years..  ;D

This is an old topic, but I am really curious how your St Maui is doing now. How big is the tree now? Is it productive? Disease free?
I am looking for one last mango tree (yeah..i said that 10 trees ago), and I want some unique tasting carefree mango.
Please let me know if you read this, please....

Upping the difficulty here. Vegas desert.

Unlike avocados, mangoes have been proven to be able to fruit here. It's just really, really rare because barely anyone knows how to grow them in soil, humidity, and weather like ours. High pH, clay soil with rocks and awful drainage. Super hard water. Hot as hell in the summer more often than not. Temps get perilously close to, or occasionally a little under freezing. Every 7 or 8 years we'll get just enough snow to make life miserable for plants.

I have some polyembryonic seeds I started of Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, and Coco Cream and my experiment is to grow the cloned shoots without grafting so they have a better chance at being vigorous and more tolerant of our conditions.

Two questions:

When digging the hole, should I mostly stick to native soil? And if so, should I amend it with some organic matter at all, or other things like sand/sulfur? Or just leave it as is and top dress with sulfur and iron sulfate?

My understanding is that even if mangoes hate our dirt, digging a hole and putting good stuff it likes in there will just cause the roots to gird around where that good soil is, and also very negatively affect drainage.

Also, any good sources for manila seeds in case I want to use that as a rootstock later on?

I am not an expert at all, just want to share my own experience.
Native soil is way to go, but if you have clay muddy soil, I will use cactus/palm soil mix to fill up the hole. Mixing the native soil with sand could work, but my trees seem happier with cactus/palm soil mix from home depot. I usually do some prep first. Dig the hole about a week in prior and make sure to loosen up some soil around it so the hole has a good drainage. I've killed some mangoes because the clay soil around the hole was too dense.
Make sure that when you put the mango tree, it is higher than the ground level around it. Some varieties cannot stand wet feet at all. My Son Pari and Dwarf Hawaiian died just after one full day of rain in the winter.
You are smart by starting from seeds. Even Manila rootstocks cannot beat seed growing mango trees in my yard.
My yard received about 12 hours of direct sun in summer, and very dry heat with occassional Santa Ana wind.
I have about 8 mango seedlings from different varieties, and it all grow well. My Coconut Cream on Manila is actually struggling a little.
Some varieties are just a strong grower no matter what rootstock they are on. These are very strong grower on turpentine rootstock in my yard (i don't do much care on my trees):
- Orange Sherbet --> it grew 4 ft in height and 5 ft in width in 2 short years. Very drought tolerant.
- CAC ---> it only grow 2 ft in height but about 6-7 ft width in 2 years from a little stick in 3 gallon pot.
- Super Alphonso --> I just bought the grafted tree about 3 months ago, and it was only 2 ft without any branch. Now it is about 5 ft with 8 branches, I never even tip off the top.
- PPK --> this tree just want to grow and make new branches, it does not even bother to flower. Same, grew about 3 ft height and width in 2 years.
 Varieties that didn't survive in my yard on turpentine rootstocks (they all died in winter after rainy days):
- Venus
- Peach Cobbler
- Son Pari
- Dwarf Hawaiian
- Little Gem
- Triple Sec
 Just a little to add, Manila grown from seeds are also very variable. Some of my Manila rootstocks are strong, some are just weak.
I hope I can help just a litle bit. There are many very experienced mango growers here, and I learn from them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Kwai Muk in Southern CA.
« on: August 15, 2022, 03:34:58 AM »
I almost buy a tree! Have you ever tried to grow lakoocha instead?
I read that it is more cold hardy.
How about jackedak/nangkadak? They all supposed to taste similar.

Just a little update here, one of my OS' nubin was ripe. the skin turns yellowish orange and it smells like a ripe Kent, not citrussy. However when I eat it, it does have a citrus flavor with very creamy sweet fiberless flesh. It reminds me of an orange sherbet indeed!
The part that was still greenish has some chalkiness.
The only thing lacking from this mango is the juice, it is a little too dry. But it was probably because the fruit is a nubin. It is seedless.
I still have 2 normal size fruits on the tree. So I will see if the normal fruits are more juicy.
at least now I can confirm it is an Orange Sherbet .

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leo Manuel's Mango Notes
« on: August 09, 2022, 12:37:18 AM »
It is going on the market on the 18th.

The property will be on the market? How much is it and how big?
It will be an honor to inherit Leo Manuel's trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GuavaKing on ebay - Scam?
« on: August 06, 2022, 11:51:17 PM »
Between my friend and me, we purchased total of 11 trees from him in the past. Only 1 is true to the variety, Malika mango. Either he is very confused, or he did deceive buyers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugarloaf mango productivity???
« on: July 22, 2022, 12:00:40 AM »
My small tree has been in ground for 3 years and held onto 19 mangos. It definitely exceeded my expectations.
Oh wow, good to know!  Have you started picking?  Is it hard to tell when to pick?

Yes, almost done; only 4-5 left on the tree.

Most of them have been easy to tell when ripening on the tree. They pretty much all get a light-yellow spot on the nose and a slightly lighter skin color. Also, they give off a strong pineapple smell. All were ready to eat 1-2 days after picking.

After talking to Gary Zill about Sugarloaf I took his advice this season and picked them more towards mature green before tree ripe. Then gave them 4-5 days or so before eating. They were much better flavor and overall flesh quality in my opinion! I've found Buttercream to be the same way.

My sugarloaf bears fruit for the first time this year.
How do you determine the mature green stage?
My sugarloaf are all dark green with a little red blush on them now for about 2 months. They are slightly bigger than the size of store bought Manila/ champagne mango.
The fruits were starting on February here in SoCal.
It is very productive and problem free here btw.

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