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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos in san diego
« on: December 10, 2023, 11:37:38 AM »
Hi Ken, smart move to remove the fruit.  I think 5+ year of removing it is smart.  Cutting the panicles off is even better.  It stops the fruit sooner and keeps the tree from sagging from the weight of flowers.

This worked great for me with a lot of cvs, the only exception being Sweet Tart. I don't know if it has to do with the cv, the rootstock or both, but I'm having a lot of trouble trying to keep the branches of my tree straight with sticks and ropes.

Instead of trying to prop it up, I think its better to prune the long brwnches back and let them grow back.

Thatís the truth.  Prune those lanky branches. Everytime I donít get around to pruning trees, a wind storm tolls through and prunes them for me with horrible consequences, usually taking the whole branch.  Shorten those branches and your tree will get thick.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos in san diego
« on: December 10, 2023, 11:33:07 AM »
Nice harvest Brad.   I picked a couple  Cherimoyas last week and they were outstanding. Tis the season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Yard 2022
« on: December 03, 2023, 11:57:01 AM »
Nice!  Itís seems pretty cold hardy so it should make it through your winter no problem.  I hope it holds up to direct sun.  I would love to plant it out next spring if it fills out its 5g pot this winter. 
Youíre always welcome to come check out the farm when you next make it down to the San Diego area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Yard 2022
« on: November 29, 2023, 08:49:42 PM »
Hey, glad to see the Blue Guac is trucking along.  It seems to be a sturdy little plant.  Mine put on some good growth over the summer but was eaten back by some grasshoppers.  Had a real problem with grasshoppers this year.
Did the E. tenuipedunculata make it it through the summer? Itís by far my favorite Eugenia with beautiful leaves both mature and immature.  I just hope the fruit is halfway decent and can survive our full sun next year.
And yes, E. azeda is the slowest growing plant in my collection.  It could give Lucís Garcinia a run for its money.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starting a farm in Southern California
« on: November 21, 2023, 07:18:00 PM »
Why is water such an issue down there? I looked up the city rates, and it's about the same pricing as in the Bay Area.

It's one thing to water a small 1/4 acre plot, entirely another to do 1 acre of orchard +. Temps are MUCH higher, and humidity MUCH lower than bay area.

Plus all the maintenance of an orchard irrigation set-up.

Nailed it.  Additionally, many of these ag areas donít have access to city water.  I am one of the fortunate ones who do have access, but the monthly cost to water my vineyard and orchard with city water would exceed several thousand $$ per month during summer months.  I can easily blow through 20,000 gallons of water per week, and that is the minimum to keep my farm alive, not thriving.  Mature avocados and citrus take a lot of water to keep productivity high.  Maintenance can be a real pain as well.  Drip emitters get clogged, coyotes chew up drip line and risers, wells go dry.  I canít tell you how many times over the years, I have walked the property during irrigation cycles found a line gushing water because a damn coyote decided tear up an irrigation emitter and busted a riser.  It could be weeks before I discovered the line break so who knows how much water was lost and how long plants went without water.  You could have a foot of leaf mulch under a mature avocado tree, but during a 110F Santa Ana event, your tree and crop will be toast if not irrigated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: November 18, 2023, 06:47:34 PM »
Thatís a great looking tree!  Impressive growth in just three years.  I swear, Iím doing something wrong.  Maybe I should stop planting twigs and get that 15 gallon sweetheart lychee recently posted for sale.  I would love to get just one good sized Lychee tree on my property. Is that too much to ask?  Everything else grows fine.

I had Lucís that I planted out in full sun when it was too young and all itís leaves dropped so it was just a 6Ē stick in the ground. Dug it up and planted in a pot under shade, it came back with a couple new sets of leaves in a 3 month period. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starting a farm in Southern California
« on: November 18, 2023, 10:23:33 AM »
Looking good Janet.  I can certainly appreciate the amount of work put into the land and supporting infrastructure.  Lord knows there are innumerable challenges with starting a farm in SoCA, with water sourcing at the absolute top of my list. Congrats on locating a solid water source.  I had to drill 1200 ft to locate water at 20 gpm.  Yes, dry farming is possible with ground covers, improved soil health, and permaculture practices for certain types of plantings.  If youíre trying to grow subtropicals like mangos and avocado (among many other rare fruit species) in our environment, itís near impossible without water supplementation.   I always chuckle when FL forum members mention drought conditions when we survive without rain for 7-8 months of the year.  The 1 inch last night was an unexpected albeit appreciated deluge.
For your pond, do you allow that water to settle down to your water table or do you pump some it out to storage for later use?

My general rule for last day for fertilization is Labor Day. We still get approximately 2 months left for solid growth conditions. No point in fertilizing during the winter when the plants are not growing. Itís a waste of fertilizer.  And if you do kickstart growth during a winter warm spell, it likely to get damaged by the cool evenings or weather change back to winter chill. Roughly speaking, the 3 fertilizing periods in CA are Valentines Day, Memorial Day, and Labor Day. Of course, some plants like avocados should be fertilized on a separate schedule depending on flowering and active growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 5 Month Old Mango Trees Health Check
« on: November 10, 2023, 08:37:39 PM »
Oh, those poor mango seedlings. Look what you did to them!
Probably too much water. Try cutting back on the water and let them dry out a bit. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Yangmei Giveaway
« on: November 07, 2023, 12:04:37 AM »
76. You have 76. No more, no less

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Sapote best light/sun conditions?
« on: November 06, 2023, 11:58:39 PM »

Hereís my green sapote just hanging out in an industrial parking lot.

I love how youíre just guerrilla farming all over SB. I thought that was reserved for cannabis growers, but youíre making me rethink the possibilities. 
Iím actually surprised several of you are struggling with full sun green sapote saplings.  Iím more east county than most and the sun has no effect, even during the most intense heat of the summer. You watering your trees enough?  Granted, my sample size is two trees. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Carambola varieties
« on: November 05, 2023, 01:24:35 PM »
I have a Fwang Tung and itís a a good variety, but Iíve always liked Kari and the more orange colored starfruit better.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fuyu Persimmon Tree- Broke In Half
« on: November 05, 2023, 01:22:23 PM »
Brad, how hot does it normally get in Poway?  My mom has an old Fuyu tree in Sacramento and it produces a bumper crop every year.  She regularly gets temps in the 100's during summer.

SHV, did your replant your persimmon in the same spot as your old tree?  I've heard fruit trees suffer from replant syndrome because of the dying roots of the old trees, so it's advised to not plant related trees in the same spot.  Old vineyards and orchards will replace the soil when they replant new trees.  I planted a small bareroot coffee cake persimmon in Fallbrook and it set over 20 fruits in its second year.


No, I planted it in a different part of the property.  An acerola cherry took over the old fuyu tree spot and grows like a weed.  I think I just got a dud fuyu tree. Maybe I will dig it up this winter when it goes dormant and see if there is a root problem.  I donít think the heat is preventing growth.  My wife had several trees in Lodi, CA and it gets ridiculously hot during summer.  They were big olí trees with branch breaking fruit loads.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green Sapote best light/sun conditions?
« on: November 04, 2023, 09:22:03 PM »
I have one planted in full sun and one in part shade since they were 1 year seedlings. The one in full sun has outgrown the part shade seedling.  Direct sun on our hottest days has no effect and has never exhibited symptoms of sun burn.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fuyu Persimmon Tree- Broke In Half
« on: November 04, 2023, 08:58:34 AM »
ďAs God is my witness, he is broken in half!Ē
Those pictures look like they are from a crime scene. All you need is an outline. I, too, had a Fuyu persimmon tree that broke in half, but it was high wind that caused it and not fruit load.  It never recovered so I replaced it with another tree that refuses to grow. Every year it produces ~5-6 fruit but never grows larger than 4-5 feet. Iíve tried stripping the fruit, and it still wonít grow. Honestly, I donít know why I put up with it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangos in san diego
« on: November 02, 2023, 01:23:15 PM »
I had a horrible winter and my mango trees got a real ass whooping so I stripped most of my trees of fruit to give them a year to recover.  The few mangos I did allow to hold have been devoured.  I donít have anything to contribute unfortunately.  I could try to source mangos from family and friends if we wanted to do an event.  No guarantees as everyone around me had a poor year for yield.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: November 01, 2023, 09:56:10 AM »
My winter lows are just above freezing on the upper end of the property. Last winter was the first in 3 years I touched 32F, but normally I get a few days that are in the mid 30s.
My soil mix for Garcinia is an equal part Peat moss and Garden bed soil mix, with 10-20% perlite added. The garden bed mix I source from San Pasqual valley soils by the cubic yard and itís comprised of a blend of ďpremium composts, washed sand, coco coir, pumice and gypsum.Ē

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: October 31, 2023, 06:41:57 PM »
Growing Luc's and a number of other Garcinia's, all in the greenhouse except Imbe.  That is the only one that has demonstrated any kind of resilience to hard winters and summers and consistently puts out new growth, albeit slowly. Russell's, brasiliensis/intermedia, and humulis are the only ones that seem to not be affected by the cold winters and hot summers of my region while grown under protection.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 31, 2023, 06:35:52 PM »
Janet - I hope you do post more photos and updates from your farm.  We benefit from all of the experienced and inexperienced growers that post on both their successes and failures.  On one of your posts, you mentioned digging out a water collection area on your farm.  I loved that idea and it inspired me to replicate it this winter by damming up a dry creak bed that flows through the lower part of my property during heavy rains.  I captured a 3 foot deep, 1000 sq ft bed of water that lasted for nearly a month and helped recharge a lot of the shallow aquifers that I previously drained from my wells.  I even had wild ducks swimming around for a couple days!  That was my winter highlight.  :D
Don't let the small minority of closed-minded posters dissuade you from sharing. They may have the loudest voice, but there are many more who lurk for information and much more in future years that read these posts and make their own opinions.  Hell, I lurked on this site for several years before creating an account.  I don't agree with some of the biodynamic approaches to farming and much of it is impractical in southern CA without a reliable water source and lots and lots of time.  Nevertheless, there are components of it that I can apply to my farm and trial for myself.    I hope to share video clips from my farm one of these days, whenever I decide to take the initiative and record.  At the very least, I should do it for insurance purposes. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: October 31, 2023, 06:01:11 PM »
Iím guessing they are 5-6 years old. I purchased them from Hawaiian Tropicals a couple years back and they were already 3 feet tall.  Planted outside for a year, all kinds of dieback, dug them up, repotted, and placed in the greenhouse.  Maybe one day, I will put them back outside, but I doubt it.  They are much happier under shelter, particularly through the winter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: October 31, 2023, 04:28:36 PM »
I have a couple Achachas that were approximately 4 ft high, nicely branched, doing well in an unheated greenhouse. I slowly introduced them to outdoor shade then full sun over a spring and summer. The new leaves would get trashed whenever there was a windy day under outdoor shade but would grow ok. Once exposed to full sun, the tree would get burnt to hell and new leaves would not fully develop.  Over the following winter, lots of dieback exposed to the elements.  I dug them up and potted them back in the greenhouse to recover and are doing fine.
You can grow them here, but they need a lot of protection from the elements, particularly if you live more inland.  Most seedling Garcinias that I have acquired do just fine in pots in a greenhouse, even with regular mid-high 30F nights. Space will eventually be the concern. Eventually will be a long time based on their slow growth.

Hereís my Achachas pushing all kinds of new growth. Had to tie their heads to the ceiling due to too heavy weight.  Both in 15 gallon pots and loving the desert heat of my greenhouse. 

I have been on and off the list at various points, using someone elses name with the same address is a nice work around

Just donít use the alias Sid M. Porter and youíll be just fine.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Painter cherilata in San Diego
« on: October 06, 2023, 05:10:55 PM »
Good looking tree and fine looking fruit, Ken Bee.  Looking forward to my Cherilata fruiting in a couple years.  Iím currently top working one of my Cherimoya seedlings.  I purchased 10 scions earlier this year from Cytochrome Joe in FL and got 6 takes, even though we had a cold front drop the temps, a couple weeks after grafting, down to low 30s.  Now one scion is flowering.  Yes, I will remove any fruits that set, however unlikely.  I also want to nominate one of my grafts for the ďgraft of the year awardĒ.  I call it the peephole graft method. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rapid Passion Fruit Juicing - Need help
« on: October 06, 2023, 02:14:19 PM »
Excellent! So, each jar is like 33 fruits? I would hide that in the downstair fridge!

I actually like to keep pure pf juice, and also some frozen pulp/juice/seeds. The seeds have a lot of flavor; have found uses for them, such as providing some nice crunch when added to jerky. Seeds reportedly are nutrient rich as well (Vit A and C, mag, pot).

Each jar is the equivalent of 33lbs of fruit!  I too enjoy eating the seeds.  I still have many more passion fruit that I eat as snacks when I find them on the ground.  Always keep a blade handy for on the go fruit consumption. 

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