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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Lychee Season
« on: April 14, 2021, 08:39:54 AM »
How do you top work lychee trees? Got a few growing but around my area the trees grow huge and very wide. Seem to need tons of space requirements. Anyone have success in keeping them shorter?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soft jackfruit variety
« on: April 14, 2021, 08:17:30 AM »
Yes as a general rule the crisp ones taste a bit better but not always and they store better. The Viet Sherbet as we call it here is one of the best. Thick yellow fairly crisp and a bit fizzy on the tongue.

I never had a crisp one with the fizzy tongue sounds amazing. I have only had two before with that quality and its such an interesting mouth feel. I had it before I was trying to grow fruit trees and now am on the hunt for one like this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 14, 2021, 08:12:44 AM »
They are in the south and maybe the temps get a bit lower than 10c and make it a bit cool for durian. Jacks can take 6c or more less than durian. Do you have mangosteen and breadfruit>

Trying to grow mangosteen where I am as well langsat. There are some big bread fruit around my area.

Cassowary I will try that out.

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Do these fruit get sweet? I hear people rave about mulberries but around my area they are juicy and dark purple with almost no taste

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 10, 2021, 09:02:21 AM »
Another question. I live in the tropics and Jackfruit grows a plenty here, But in my arrea, central vietnam, there doesnt seem to be much durian fruit trees around. Would they not grow decent if jackfruit can grow around? The weather here is chilly, 10c in winter, and mid 30's to low 40's celcius in the summer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: April 10, 2021, 08:56:27 AM »
Four acres is pret. good size really. Lots of commercial durian farms in Malaysia are about that size and they are doing pretty well.
Fortunately durian is easy to top work and thus very agile. Superior material can easily be used to convert trees that don’t show a lot of promise. I think 2-3 years to be back in production at a commercial level. This last year I’ve planted 15 select seedlings from Penang, hoping for something fantastic!
I have 3 trees older than 25 years in production. From those 3 I harvested 600kg the last season!
Peter

How you get the seedlings from Penang?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soft jackfruit variety
« on: April 10, 2021, 08:52:20 AM »
Don't know about the variety of it, but here in Vietnam they call it mít ướt, and around where I live there are tons of different tasting ones. They are all from old trees and aren't really liked as much as the crisp jackfruit here, they are much cheaper to buy. Lots of people grow jackfruit from seed around here and most people are getting rid of these mít ướt kinds. I find the taste to have a larger range from terrible to amazing with weird quirky flavors in between than the crisp varieties. I have had one that had the fizzy taste like the bubble on your tongue from carbonated beverages. I have had my tongue sweat like when you lick a coin or a battery with a low charge.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mexican sunflower
« on: April 01, 2021, 09:12:55 AM »
I don’t have Tithonia but I do have a lot of vetiver. I use a blade similar to Brad. I know Shane said he had a good experience, but I found the tri blade style to be very average and changed to the circular blade style with good results. Either will cut straight through fencing with a decent trimmer (ask me how I know, doh!). I imagine results would be similar for the Mexican sunflower.

Vid here if you are interested - https://youtu.be/So113KLVInk

Sorry Brad I don’t have any chipper advice. I would have assumed it would be fine with a decent chipper but don’t know the plant.

What you using the vetiver for? Thinking about get some for chop and drop action. Also I have a pond that collapsed last flood season so I wanna make sure I dont lose more land into the pond.

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jealous you guys could possibly have 300 different kinds to buy. Looking around in Vietnam I can only seem to find maybe 5 or 6 different varieties for sale through online fruit tree sites. whats some good sites to look at for mango trees in the states? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: March 09, 2021, 09:26:59 AM »
Most of the time, flavor is about the sugar content of the fruit. Red, white, purple fruits all have specific undertone flavors, but its the sweetness that makes that fruit appealing. Think of the difference between lemons and lemonade. Low sugar white varieties tend to taste 'floral', where the very low sugar ones can taste off, like perfume, like eating the flowers themselves. There are a wide range of reds and purples though, many with unique flavors and tones. I grow a wide range of varieties, each with its own use. I eat some, juice others, cook with a few and ice cream for others. Like apples, its all about application and tastes.

Taste good in ice cream? never tried but gonna try and make some. Also whats the difference between red and purples? Juts a dark red color?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: March 05, 2021, 09:04:59 AM »
Looks like these palora seedling fruits are self pollinating.  Its been a few weeks and try made it through a crazy heat wave here.



This one is a new one I just tried called "Hana".  Its extra sweet and has a floral aftertaste.  Its pretty good for a white fruit.  Not my favorite but not bad.



are the white fleshed fruit less tasty than the red? Where I live I have had a few good red ones but lots are super bland.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Managing Jackfruit tree height
« on: December 29, 2020, 09:13:54 AM »


Let it have some fruit and then just top it at about 8 or 9 feet. Remove uprights until it knows it wont get tall.

Looks super nice. How old is that tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Managing Jackfruit tree height
« on: December 28, 2020, 08:59:44 AM »
Hey there, Question for you guys. Anyone have any experience in keeping a jackfruit tree shorter? Maybe some people have photos? I have searched through tons of posts on this forums with limited responses and searching through youtube there seems to be 1 video at all about topping, or controlling the height of the tree, by Richard Campbell. The jackfruit trees around me are left alone, except for die back, and generally are some of the highest trees around my area, like 20 meter high. I am not great at climbing trees nor desire to climb super tall trees so looking for some experiences from others.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting besides a drive way, What trees?
« on: December 26, 2020, 09:15:51 AM »
Hey there I have a super nice open area besides a long drive way to my house. I have been digging up the area besides it prepping beds for some fruit trees. I am wondering what trees are recommended with roots that won't destroy the concrete driveway? I am going to be planting several generic jaboticabas (really wish I could get seeds shipped to Nam but customs is really thorough searching through international packages) as anything but normal Jabos are like 90 usd plus to buy non generic black fruited ones, some surinam cherries/pitanga, roses, feijoa and a miracle fruit. Heard these all should have roots that wont destroy the concrete but I thought I would ask here. Also these should all stay fairly short, hopefully. Wondering about other tropical fruit trees that would fit in and not destroy the concrete and remain small or medium height.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is the best tasting seedless guava?
« on: December 23, 2020, 09:00:49 AM »
There are many seedless guavas around.
Some varieties have fruits that have a few seeds.
So you get some seedless fruits and some with 2-7 seeds.
The seedlings have rounded leaves like their parents.
Their fruits have similar traits.

Some have too much flavor and some just right.
The whole fruit is crunchy through out.

The only reason to grow seeded is to have some fruits to eat incase the seedless tree is fruitless.

too much taste sound wonderful. Around my area it is all big green with white flesh and little to zero taste. Vietnamese love it. When I was a kid I had some red centered flesh ones and there we so soft and juicy. never seen it in vietnam yet.

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I have a lot of hope for Kwai muk.  I pick fruit on a Friday to sell Saturday morning, I’m hoping I can make that work with this fruit.

I ate fruit from the tree at Tenom and that really convinced me on the quality.  I have two developing trees that we are trying to shape like we work Jakfruit, not letting them go over about 4 meters.  They do seem to want the drop lower branches and go up.  I’m thinking that with the seed material I got from Tenom that I will snip the tips, starting lower down.  That tree there was very easy to

What you do for you jackfruit tree pruning wise?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ground covers
« on: December 13, 2020, 08:12:50 PM »
I got mine from a native nursery out here in Sarasota that was selling trays of sunshine mimosa and peanut. I recently bought "Ecoturf" perennial peanut from Home Depot but it was $5 for a little pot which is a little high. Perennial peanut has differnt growth habits. The first stuff I bought from the nursery vines across the surface and the "Ecoturf" is lower growing that spreads underground which I like better. I am hoping at this point all three can mix in together and the two peanut growth habits can make an extra thick mat. I have the mimosa by itself in a separate little plot by the front door. I have a good chunk of my yard pretty well covered mostly with peanut which seems to take over better than the mimosa. It looks great. From what I understand, the best way to get it established is through potted plugs. I heard the sod technique wasn't great. I end up pulling the weeds from between and hope that one day they will all be choked out. Do you work at the Grimal Grove down there? Good luck!




I know this post is super old but was wondering how your perennial peanut grass is doing and what your thoughts on it and ground cover are ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Trees that can Tolerate Soggy Soil
« on: December 04, 2020, 09:37:21 AM »
Have you considered planting on a mound?  I have clay soil and half my yard stays soggy for about 2 weeks after several consecutive days of rain.  I planted all my plants on that side of the yard on mounds and everything is doing great so far.
Simon

Been a long time since you posted this but How did your fruit trees do on mounds? Have a section of land much the same as you describe

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree's and floodings
« on: December 04, 2020, 09:35:04 AM »
Question that seems like it fits here. I was reading about different Artocarpus's and I see that Both Marang and cempedak both like high water tables and seem to be fine with a little flooding. Anyone have any experience with this? Or do most Artocarpus hate wet feet?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Increasing Grafted Jackfruit Vigor
« on: December 03, 2020, 09:11:42 AM »
By stunted growth do you mean for the first few years or for the life of the tree? And after a few years dont you want a more stunted Jackfruit tree? I am trying to keep my trees like 4 or 5 meters high. I have some that are like 20 or 30 meters and half the fruit or more is in accessible

Edit: Also one other thing I would mention, not sure if it has been tried or talked about on this forum, but there is a guy in Vietnam working with Vetiver grass and he has tried with several different fruit trees, guava, jack fruit and a few others, planting vetiver like 5 cm from the base of the plant when he plants it. The vetiver roots grow super deep and the theory is that the fruit tree uses the deep roots of the vetiver to go deeper. Here are a picture.


There is a user on this forum called Tho Ngo and he has several photos of vetiver companion planted besides a fruit tree, and then a photo take one year after and the fruit trees that have vetiver grass planted besides them are all much bigger than without. Here is a link to one such thread. https://www.facebook.com/groups/vetivernetwork/permalink/10158382660487760

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I would guess that rows work better. In one cluster, one of the seedlings significantly outpaced the other.  I cannot feed the slower growing tree without feeding the faster.

I plant seedlings in the ground and let them do their thing. Two or three trees in close proximity, 2ft apart or in a row 5ft apart. I have never fruited jakfruit in a pot.

Brandon, were all your experimental seedlings grown in containers or in the ground? If in containers, what was the setup like (i.e., container size, soil type, fertilizer regimen)?

Thanks!

Do you find that a few trees grown together works better than the rows?


I only ask as where I live I see several different methods on jackfruit, but my vietnamese isn't good enough to find out why the differences. They have rows and each tree 5-7 meters apart. They have jackfruit 1.5 meters apart in a row. They have jackfruit in small clusters, usually 3 to 5 trees together and they seem to become one giant canopy.
Big fan of jackfruit and cut down 2 Giant, like 20-30 meter high jackfruit trees, one to close to my house and one half dead, and want to try out some of the grafter varieties they have for sale around here and thinking of how to space them.

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I plant seedlings in the ground and let them do their thing. Two or three trees in close proximity, 2ft apart or in a row 5ft apart. I have never fruited jakfruit in a pot.

Brandon, were all your experimental seedlings grown in containers or in the ground? If in containers, what was the setup like (i.e., container size, soil type, fertilizer regimen)?

Thanks!

Do you find that a few trees grown together works better than the rows?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tree's and floodings
« on: November 30, 2020, 10:56:54 AM »
anyone tried raised mounds on flooding prone areas?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good ground cover species to another weeds?
« on: November 30, 2020, 09:44:42 AM »
Those are some good ideas.  We also use hemigraphis which is tough and tolerates both shade and sun. 
For dealing with difficult grass where the fruit trees are already well developed you might consider macuna.  Macuna will dominate anything but can get deep.
Peter

Ah, FLI how drought tolerant is the hemigraphis?
https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/OF-7.pdf

This discusses the Mucuna, a non-itchy variety does exist. I sourced some seed which came from South Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucuna_pruriens

One other I am trialing for shade is 'Wild Thai Pepper'  (Piper sarmentosum) it is also edible, leaves used in Thailand for a snack-wrap called Miang kam.
Trails and roots easily, it seems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_sarmentosum

That piper sarmentosum is used in vietnamese cuisine as well. great with beef bbq. how you find it as ground cover>?

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It aint no jive turkey. I have it on good authority The Lin's and Lees are making their way to the US by other means than me and may just pop up anywhere.

Wish i knew how. Tons of cool fruit in this forum I wish to get to vietnam but they basically check every package on arrival via the mail, maybe not the shipping services, I need to ask, but regular mail through customs seemed to be all checked. When the borders open up I hope to try and find some other forum members who may travel here to bring seeds on the plane, cause customs dont seem to mind that.

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