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Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« on: February 26, 2017, 02:12:15 PM »
I thought it would be a good idea to find out:
1 How many people are using molasses regularly in their plants
2 Where are they buying
3 How much are they paying

« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM by CTMIAMI »
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Re: Who is using Molasses?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 02:31:00 PM »
I ate my first molasses cake today.It was really yummy.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 03:06:23 PM »
I used molasses last year when I made up some fish emulsion. I got a gallon from our local feed store for
less then $2.00. I saw a small amount for sale at Tractor supply for around $8.00. Glad I found it at the feed store.
I am very curious how you use it ? 

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 03:43:11 PM »
Good info where is that feed store?
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2017, 05:05:21 PM »
You must be psychic, I was doing some research on Molasses and Yeast as foliar spray yesterday.  have not tried it though. 
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2017, 06:04:44 PM »
Good info where is that feed store?
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2017, 07:16:27 PM »
I have used it a bunch of times. I use many different products so I don't know what really does what. I also make actively aerated compost tea and that is part of the mix. I had purchased a cheap jug from the feed store and then I didn't end up using it because it had some sort of preservative in it but I am picky and have a small area I am working with. I end up spending too much money and using organic unsulfured blackstrap.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2017, 07:27:03 PM »
I thought it would be a good idea to find out:
1 How many people are using molasses regularly in their plants
2 Where are they buying
3 How much are they paying


Not using them as is but using them in a modified version of this:
http://businessdiary.com.ph/3468/how-to-make-fermented-plant-juice-or-fpj/


Used for watering twice weekly in hot weather (foliar and soil drench) otherwise once a week. Daily for veggie plots (organic). Modified in the sense I use mainly comfrey, nettle and sunflower/corn green matter.
Diggin in dirt and shifting compost - gardeners crossfit regime :)

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2017, 07:38:07 PM »
I use it on everything, I buy it 2.5 gallons of earth juice brand for $30 http://www.urbansunshine.com/earth-juice-hi-brix-25-gallon?zenid=febf1bb3124b60b56f1238b47b079131

It definitely makes your fruit sweeter, i was pouring a bunch on one of my papayas and the fruit was sickening sweet to the point i couldn't eat them. 

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2017, 07:46:49 PM »
We buy a feed grade molasses that is a buy-product of sugar cane refining.  I think it is costing me less than $5 for 5 gallons.
As far as I can tell the only reason this quality molasses is not fir for humans is because they are not careful about how clean the containers are that they use, what comes into contact with it, etc.  Most of the sales is for cattle or horses here.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2017, 08:06:28 PM »
Beside horse feed sweetener, probably the biggest molasses use is rum distilling. If you can get 'in' with them they probably have a railroad tank car full.

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2017, 08:13:51 PM »
I have only used it personally for brewing water Kefir ( probiotic ) for my own consumption. seems to make the bacteria happy, crystals increase.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2017, 08:17:21 AM »
Will it feed ants and Black Sooty Mold the way honey-dew exudates do?
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2017, 10:04:08 AM »
Medina, located not far from me, sells a lot of these snake oils.  You should have them in your Fl. box stores like Lowe's or can buy in 55 gal. drums.  Done experiments with molasses. Found no benefit unlike planting bacteria innoculate green manure crops.  http://www.medinaag.com/farming.php

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2017, 10:10:57 AM »
Will it feed ants and Black Sooty Mold the way honey-dew exudates do?

I hadn't noticed any increase.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 10:17:41 AM »
Medina, located not far from me, sells a lot of these snake oils.  You should have them in your Fl. box stores like Lowe's or can buy in 55 gal. drums.  Done experiments with molasses. Found no benefit unlike planting bacteria innoculate green manure crops.  http://www.medinaag.com/farming.php

Inoculated cover crops and chop and drop is the best! All those root exudates and eventual decomposition along with aeration and fresh green mulch really get the microbes going.
-Josh

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 02:05:05 PM »
i use it in very low concentration with fish emulsion as a plant fertilizer.

its basically sugar with a few of the minerals before they are stripped out.

this is my understanding...

sugars are better for bacteria growth
proteins for fungi growth.
if you are growing hardwood trees, you would want the soil more fungally dominant.
growing herbs, veggies and such, bacterially dominant soil is better.
Of course there is a little of both in all soils
so a little sugars still help put some life in the soil.

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 02:43:01 PM »
My yard loves it. It also does wonders for cannabis.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 04:01:54 PM »
i use it in very low concentration with fish emulsion as a plant fertilizer.

its basically sugar with a few of the minerals before they are stripped out.

this is my understanding...

sugars are better for bacteria growth
proteins for fungi growth.
if you are growing hardwood trees, you would want the soil more fungally dominant.
growing herbs, veggies and such, bacterially dominant soil is better.
Of course there is a little of both in all soils
so a little sugars still help put some life in the soil.

We want to keep our biology majors on the right tracK to keep our subset of the Fungi Kingdom in my case "yeast" making our wine from the right primary source (Sugars/carbohydrates): https://www.britannica.com/science/fungus/Nutrition
Unlike plants, which use carbon dioxide and light as sources of carbon and energy, respectively, fungi meet these two requirements by assimilating preformed organic matter; CARBOHYDRATES are generally the preferred carbon source. Fungi can readily absorb and metabolize a variety of soluble carbohydrates, such as glucose, xylose, sucrose, and fructose. Fungi are also characteristically well equipped to use insoluble carbohydrates such as starches, cellulose, and hemicelluloses, as well as very complex hydrocarbons such as lignin. Many fungi can also use proteins as a source of carbon and nitrogen. To use insoluble carbohydrates and proteins, fungi must first digest these polymers extracellularly. Saprotrophic fungi obtain their food from dead organic material; parasitic fungi do so by feeding on living organisms (usually plants), thus causing disease.

As a side note: Most all bacterial will die in too high of a sugar solution such as a concentrated jam/jelly. However, yeast will happily grow on the top of the jam/jelly in the jar. But, many different fungi and preferences exist also with no one size fits all.

Also bacteria consist of many species aerobic/anerobic etc. with many different preferences/environments favored for food and survival.

I have not yet tried molasses in the yard for trees, insects, bacteria, fungi, algae, lichens, or protozoans, etc.,  yet.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 04:27:06 PM by palmcity »

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2017, 09:12:51 AM »
Many fungi can also use proteins as a source of carbon and nitrogen. To use insoluble carbohydrates and proteins, fungi must first digest these polymers extracellularly.
I'm looking into making my own fish protein hydrolysate for this purpose.
It is made commercially and Carlos buys it as this product:
http://www.isagro-usa.com/assets/tamarack_tib_rowcrops_092-02.09.17.pdf

I researched the commercial production of fish hydrolysates and believe it is feasible to be home made. They generally use an enzyme to break down the fish, and one enzyme which can work for that is Papain, which can be obtained from cut green papaya. Not sure yet if I will pre-digest first, or do that during the next step which is adding a lactobacillus culture, molasses for it's food, then fermentation over a few months similar to winemaking.
I'll start in a small scale test but eventually get to a 50 gallon drum size. There is a steady supply of fish waste (guts, heads, etc) in my area plus seasonally lots of mullet which are wasted after removal of roe.

For a short example, this video shows the process choose "How to make your own" and "How to bottle" :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_JeoyGgAJ7HqRJaOS2_HQ/videos

For a long and tedious demonstration, this fellow goes into detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNuY-2x4coo&t=2022s

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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2017, 03:15:28 PM »
Many fungi can also use proteins as a source of carbon and nitrogen. To use insoluble carbohydrates and proteins, fungi must first digest these polymers extracellularly.
I'm looking into making my own fish protein hydrolysate for this purpose.
It is made commercially and Carlos buys it as this product:
http://www.isagro-usa.com/assets/tamarack_tib_rowcrops_092-02.09.17.pdf

I researched the commercial production of fish hydrolysates and believe it is feasible to be home made. They generally use an enzyme to break down the fish, and one enzyme which can work for that is Papain, which can be obtained from cut green papaya. Not sure yet if I will pre-digest first, or do that during the next step which is adding a lactobacillus culture, molasses for it's food, then fermentation over a few months similar to winemaking.
I'll start in a small scale test but eventually get to a 50 gallon drum size. There is a steady supply of fish waste (guts, heads, etc) in my area plus seasonally lots of mullet which are wasted after removal of roe.

For a short example, this video shows the process choose "How to make your own" and "How to bottle" :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_JeoyGgAJ7HqRJaOS2_HQ/videos

For a long and tedious demonstration, this fellow goes into detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNuY-2x4coo&t=2022s

You can make a ferment out of anything... really. I make anything banana ferment to spray on my budding plants. It does wonders. My family in Oregon also use this on their medical cannabis.
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Re: Who is using Molasses in their trees?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2022, 08:20:05 AM »
regardig kefir: it is perfect to mix tropical fruit with homemade kefir
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2022, 09:17:53 AM »
regardig kefir: it is perfect to mix tropical fruit with homemade kefir
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