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Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« on: October 24, 2018, 01:11:07 AM »
Got these plants.  Wondering if it is Forbessii or parvifolia.




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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 07:42:56 AM »
Definitely not parvifolia. G.parvifolia leaves are small. Looks like forbesii.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2018, 10:51:22 AM »



The foliage is similar and, I feel, could vary according to conditions. Forbesii is the one with four leaves on the hand and parvifolia with more bunched up leaves.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2018, 04:26:41 PM »
Thank you Chandramohan and Finca La Isla.  Now I can sleep better now!

Have you had experience grafting mature scion to the seedling to speed up fruiting? 

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2018, 05:43:46 PM »
My forbesii is still not in production. They are dioecious and I would certainly graft to have more females.
I graft cherapu for that purpose and that seems good. The grafted seedlings of cherapu are very slow. In that case it might just be better to plant out the seedlings and graft much later.
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2018, 02:22:24 AM »
yeah. painfully slow in the pots...cherapu.  this time around, goign to get some seeds of cherapu and germinate them and when they reach a few inches i'm going to drop them in the ground and see if they grow faster. 

at least i can try this since i have a number of cherapu seedlings in pots as 'insurance.'

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2018, 11:02:38 AM »
I think that cherapu likes some shade, similar conditions to cacao or salak.  This is an observation made at Gary Zill’s project in CR and holds true for mine too although our climates are different.  Forbesii I would grow in full sun.
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 04:21:39 AM »
I think that cherapu likes some shade, similar conditions to cacao or salak.  This is an observation made at Gary Zill’s project in CR and holds true for mine too although our climates are different.  Forbesii I would grow in full sun.
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The forbesii are in pots on shade .   I think I'll up pot the, and transition to full sun.

The biggest Cherapu are in partial shade but transitioning them to more sun.  Also need larger pots

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2021, 05:50:30 AM »



G.forbesii new flush looks like this.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2021, 08:13:40 AM »
I see a few cherapu around and I have 4 males and 2 females. I find they shoot and fruit freely and come into production fast also. They like full un when older but handle filtered light well also and rapidly come into production. The tree in the pic doesnt look like forbesii to me. They have finer duller foliage.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2021, 08:10:25 AM »
The seeds were sold to me by a forum member as G. forbesii. If somebody has a G.forbesii plant, I would be grateful for a photo of the plant showing leaves.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2021, 10:19:28 AM »
I see a few cherapu around and I have 4 males and 2 females. I find they shoot and fruit freely and come into production fast also. They like full un when older but handle filtered light well also and rapidly come into production. .

Mike T, how long from seed to fruit for Cherapu in your location? Thanks.u

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2021, 03:46:59 PM »
The seeds were sold to me by a forum member as G. forbesii. If somebody has a G.forbesii plant, I would be grateful for a photo of the plant showing leaves.



So, we have had both of these labeled as forbessii. I received seeds from a forum member for the bottom one. The seeds were very thin, paper like. The fruit is red outside with a sweet white pulp very similar to Brunei cherry, g. parviafolia.
Then, in Malaysia, we found a row of trees with red fruits which of course we sampled. The seed was much thicker, and while sweet,  also had some tang and the unmistakeable flavor of apple.  We figure that this is the real forbessii. It’s foliage is in the upper photo.
We’re not sure at all. The biggest difference etween these similar looking trees are the seeds and taste of the fruit. Both are good.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2021, 10:55:16 PM »
Thank you very much, Peter. What I have is the one in the lower photo. I also have two small G.parvifolia. Can you please post a photo of the plants.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2021, 03:53:32 PM »


So this is the foliage on my parvifolia.
The plant you have described as forbessii is a very good fruit very similar to parvifolia in many ways. I have 3 trees and two have flowered, both setting fruit.
The other garcinia that I collected in Malaysia are still too young to flower at 3 years but are more than 2m. Among those trees were some with no fruits at all while several were bearing heavily.
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2021, 05:33:45 PM »
The real forbesii does have vary thin pliable seeds and is bright red on the outside.The flesh is usually white but there is an orange fleshed form. The foliage is quite thin and dull coloured. Trees are upright and thin with relatively sparse foliage.
My cherapu were all planted in a row and began flowering at around 3 feet high and from my recollection at around 3 years old.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2021, 05:37:44 PM »
That’s very fast for cherapu.  Here in CR cherapu might be 2 ft after 3 years.  Ours took 5-6 years at least from the germinated seed.

So Mike, how do you tell the difference between parvafolia and forbesii?
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2021, 05:53:16 PM »
Parvifolia is less red, sourer with bigger fruit on a bigger broader leafed tree.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2021, 06:12:53 PM »


This is parvifolia fruit.
Pretty red and not sour, unless you’re talking about the skin.
Actually the ‘forbessii’ we’re a tad larger. I haven’t done a brix test but would rate the sweetness about the same.
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2021, 06:38:15 PM »
Are the seeds thin and pliable? I would be calling that a Forbesii and I had better look at the trees I am calling parvifolia. Might be worth googling to see if what we are calling parvifolia here and there is correct.

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2021, 07:48:58 PM »
On my parvifolia the seed is pliable. It is also pliable on the specimen that you are calling forbessii. To say that the difference between the two is a matter of slight color difference and a bit of acidity is too subjective.
The one I like for forbessii has a thicker, wedge shaped seed and the taste of the pulp distinctly has an apple flavor. It’s very difficult for me to find a good way to distinguish between the two specimens that have a pliable seed.
I could be mistaken but this is what we’re working with at the moment.
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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2021, 07:56:41 PM »


Parvifolia in production.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2021, 07:55:53 AM »
Ok Garcinia parviflora is only above 600m where it is native to and reaches over a 100ft. It has white flowers
G.forbesii is lowland tropical and rarely exceeds 20 feet.It has red flowers.
There are differences in the foliage if fruits are similar or wrongly labelled in pictures.  Orange fleshed ones are always forbesii.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2021, 01:36:04 PM »
We are talking about parvafolia, not parvaflora.

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Re: Garcinia ID. Forbessii or parvifolia?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2021, 04:18:51 PM »
Garcinia parvifolia, the Kundong, Brunei cherry or Asam aur aur, is a tropical evergreen tree native to Borneo, Peninsular Malaysia, Sulawesi and Sumatra.[1][2] The tree is found at elevations of 600–800 metres (2,000–2,600 ft) in humid environments, and grows to a height of 33 metres (108 ft). The bark, wood, leaves, and fruit of the kundong tree are used by humans.[3]

Sorry typo as is parvafolia.