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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango!!!! Help
« on: January 15, 2024, 09:50:18 PM »
Cecilove and then Pickering
From Alex at tropical acres farms .

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Sugarloaf/E-4 Mango seedling For trade
« on: January 02, 2024, 07:45:38 PM »
I have a beautiful seedling of my own Sugarloaf/E4 mango that I planted myself last august. It’s in a 1 gallon pot I guess, maybe it’s a 3 gallon but either way the tree is good sized and ready to be replanted.

I want to trade it for some black sapote fruit or  local grown fruit in Miami, Fl area. Please let me know what you have


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: “Orange Cherimoya”
« on: December 28, 2023, 11:18:28 PM »
Thank you for that, yes it was a seedling of an orange Annona that’s just what I was told it was. Thanks so much

Tropical Fruit Discussion / “Orange Cherimoya”
« on: December 28, 2023, 10:03:47 PM »
Hey y’all.
A friend with a large grove gave me an “orange cherimoya” recently.

He told me it was from a Caribbean islander and that person told him the do well in The windward islands and sometimes Jamaica.

I planted it in my north Miami area yard last spring and it’s doing well although growing slowly.

Does anyone have any information on the “orange cherimoya “?

Thank you


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NDM flowering
« on: December 28, 2023, 09:56:45 PM »
The madame Francis trees usually bloom in December here in north Miami. Some of them have fruit in them already (I don’t like the fruit, too fibrous for me but it’s notable how they bloom with ease year after year in early or late December…)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NDM flowering
« on: October 09, 2023, 10:09:33 PM »
Here in north Miami I’ve seen two separate NDM trees blooming this week but very few panicles. Very interesting.January /February mangos? Awesome .

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Drop Mangosteen size?
« on: September 10, 2023, 12:02:24 AM »
Abe I am interested to hear how large and how old your lemon drop tree is.  I have some of these growing and I wonder how long until they will flower.

The fruit looks very nice, at that size do you eat the whole thing?  Peel it?  Squeeze for juice?

The tree is about 4.5 Ft tall now atleast 3 ft wide at most points top to bottom. I planted it in ground 2018 but was given to me by my buddy as 6 inch tall potted seedling in 2017. I just peel them, pop them in my mouth and suck off the flesh and spit out seed, as the seed is probably 65 or 70 percent of the fruit without skin.

My achacha is just as old but bigger and no flowers yet. Lemon drop continues to flower non stop.

Thanks to all y’all for the help.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lemon Drop Mangosteen size?
« on: September 09, 2023, 03:54:09 PM »
Hello TFF friends,

My Lemon Drop has been fruiting for about 6 months and they are nice flavored, sweet and sour.

However, I’ve heard that most lemon drop fruits are like apricot/plum size and mine are all maxed out at grape size.

Is a grape-size lemon drop fruit normal and just  a different seedling? Or is it abnormal? Any help is appreciated thanks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha imposter?
« on: September 07, 2023, 12:01:28 PM »
#2 definitely not achacha.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: September 05, 2023, 08:14:32 PM »
My sugarloafs were all in my belly by June 10th this past June. For a peak season mango, it really stands out. If it went such a stand - out mango, it would be forgotten at that point in the season when there are just so many great mangos ripening.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: September 04, 2023, 09:25:21 AM »
Yea I forgot to mention flavor.

Coco cream is just a good coconut flavor smells much like Australian gold sunscreen actually lol.

But M4 is like a barely dulled down sugarloaf to me which is a hell of a compliment in my mango world. My sugarloafs were nothing short of out of this world this season.

My is too small to let fruit but I’ve been buying M-4  for a few years now and really enjoy them. Nice small, late version of a sugarloaf mango, flavor wise, with less pineapple flavor for sure but excellent.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: September 03, 2023, 09:30:32 PM »
In my opinion For a backyard grower, M-4 beats coconut cream in every category.

Coco cream has a sprawling, winding, sagging and even  twisting growth pattern.
M-4 is beautifully fairly symmetrical shaped denser  tree.

Coco cream is not precocious for anyone I’ve talked to.
M-4 is precocious for most growers.

Coco cream is a notoriously shy bearer.
M-4 produces tons of fruit even if it’s an alternate bearer.

coco cream ripens when there are tons of elite mangos to choose from.
M-4 ripens late, well after most mangos and especially elite ones.

That’s my take on it. But Don’t quote me I’m speaking  only based on what I’ve heard and read from south Florida growers, or from the ones I’ve grown personally.

I like to Prune now.

In the fall (or likely winter) Burn some oak when the first coldfront rolls in and lightly sprinkle the ash in circle around tree the next day. Worked great for me last year. Lot of calcium and other goodies for fruit production in wood ash.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Butterscotch sapodilla questions
« on: August 20, 2023, 11:19:50 PM »
My butterscotch is about 5.5 ft tall and has two fruits on it of separate crops. One fruit is almost ready. I have a big seedling sap about 3 houses away but no other saps in my yard. I do have Lots of bees though. Not sure how many variables there are. Good luck.


Smaller mango in back is a Pickering.

I’ve got 6 mango trees in ground in back yard and soon to add another mango tree in front. I learned that in my opinion, nothing comes close to mangos in the fruit world for me. I do grow a few others though. A good Sapodilla is a runner up for me.


Baileys marvel 4 years old from 3 gallon.

Baileys Marvel. Excellent quality fruit (better than VP
In my opinion by a long shot). I planted it for my wife in august 2019. It was a 3 gallon nicely pruned by Julian Lara to have low branches already at 3 gallons. Now it’s about 14x14 and beautiful shape.

2 of my neighbors and planted OS. They are both a little less vigorous than baileys marvel but equally as symmetrical and dense as baileys. OS is a better fruit than Baileys too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NDM vs NDM#4
« on: July 28, 2023, 12:03:01 AM »
I asked Alex for NDM this season. He gave me a box of what i believe was both NDM varieties grown here, NDM Mun and standard NDM. The “mun” flesh was a darker orange and a little bit richer in flavor to me, noticeably more intense and concentrated NDM taste which I still can’t tell If i like better or not. Both types were very close in size and shape, but certainly noticeably different side by side. For the record I removed my NDM tree because I realized was over my septic drain field, but it had not flowered or fruited in 5 years either. I’d call it a very frustrating variety to grow until very mature. That was the standard, non-number 4 variety. It grows in intense flushes but then dormant for many months. Maybe 2 gigantic flushes a year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 3 mango varieties poll
« on: July 27, 2023, 08:24:28 PM »
I voted

Peach cobbler
Honey kiss

HOWEVER Of that list, I would say that in the same equal class of elite flavor is ALSO

orange sherbet
Lemon zest
Sweet tart

Those 7 smoke all others on the list. IN MY OPINION.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 25, 2023, 10:11:34 PM »
Had a very creamy orange sherbet today. Quite pleased with the creamsicle flavor.

As for the sweet tart discussion, I think it’s elite when it’s super ripe and gets that dark orange-flesh instead of the earlier yellow-flesh and tartness. ST is an extremely consistent mango too as far as elite flavor, I think one of the most consistent performers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 17, 2023, 07:53:21 PM »
Had some great sweet tarts today, but honey kiss blew my mind. I had no idea honey kiss was capable of such greatness and complexity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 15, 2023, 09:36:43 PM »
First of all, OS is certainly a dulled -down citrus mango compared to PPK and LZ but still an elite mango IMO. I even Would go as far as saying PPK Can hold it’s own in comparison to LZ, IF LZ isn’t at its best. They are all different flavor  profiles but in a battle of citrus mangos, I take PPK, LZ, OS, Okrung, in that order based on consistent eating quality alone. I know peeps might hate on me for calling okrung in the citrus category but I think it to be true I’d call it “key lime pie” or “honey-lime” if I could. I might even throw “Philippine” in the citrus category and probably Mallika too with its tangerine/orange flavors.

Secondly, ZHHP definitely picks too early, year after year. Usually Everything is chalky but still get an idea of what flavors the mangos are capable of, However IN MY OPINION mangos like  Sugarloaf  actually benefit from being picked early and ripening more evenly.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 09, 2023, 10:05:01 PM »
Actually Had 2 amazing peach cobblers today. Had a Fruit punch today also, was good but really always seems like an over-rated mango to me. Had a decent sweet tart too. Just planted an m-4 tree . hope all is well,

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 08, 2023, 10:04:55 PM »
Absolutely. I’m paying 5.50 a lb most places man. That’s just the price of top tier mangos nowadays.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 07, 2023, 01:11:59 PM »
John let us know how those peach cobblers were please. The ones I’ve had this year are mediocre last year we’re amazing…

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