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UF IFAS gives "Martinez" as the source for Viejo.  Who does that refer to?

Richard Campbell says that Lorito is 1 lb., deep red, and season is summer.  Tree is a good grower but can be pruned to a decent size.

I asked Excalibur abour Lorito today, and they said that the fruit was medium-size, red-fleshed, and very good.  Also, the size of the tree could be managed through pruning.  Still waiting to hear from R. Campbell.  Which nursery sells Viejo?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best lychee?
« on: February 03, 2012, 11:01:39 PM »
Why is Emperor hardest to grow? ???

Julian Lara says that Viejo is the smallest mamey tree.  I wonder why R. Campbell recommends Lorito. 

And no one is familiar with "Lorito?"  Shall I ask Excalibur about it since they sell it?

Does anyone have any information on "Viejo" besides UF?  Why don't they recommend it for home landscaping?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pugging
« on: February 02, 2012, 08:20:48 PM »
Thanks, y'all.  I'm sure glad I asked!

Has anyone tried "Lorito," or do you have any information on this variety?  R.Campbell recommends it, and they have it at Excalibur.

I'm growing Pantin and Magana. Need to get a Pace and Excalibur.

How is Magana?  Is it the smallest tree?  How does the eating quality compare to others?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Proper Spacing of Fruit Trees
« on: February 01, 2012, 11:03:13 AM »
Do you know what types of fruit trees you will be planting?

I want to include about 4 mangoes, 2 lychees, and possibly 3 avocados, and then assorted other trees (1 of each): persimmon, guava, atemoya, sugar apple, sapodilla, carambola, tangerine, jackfruit?, mamey sapote?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Proper Spacing of Fruit Trees
« on: February 01, 2012, 10:28:39 AM »
If I intend to plant the smallest varieties available and/or prune heavily to keep all of my fruit trees at about 10 to 12 feet, what do you think should be the minimum distance between trees?  I'm not necessarily looking to create a solid fruit hedge, nor am I going to plant mutiple trees in one hole, as far as I can tell.  I realize how important full sunlight is to most fruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pugging
« on: January 31, 2012, 08:03:56 PM »
Please explain and describe "pugging."  On which fruit trees is it practiced?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit and Spice Park, Homestead
« on: January 31, 2012, 07:38:42 PM »
And do all the trees have signs with their variety names?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit and Spice Park, Homestead
« on: January 31, 2012, 01:42:00 PM »
I guess it's been about 20 years since I visited the Fruit and Spice Park in the Redland, Homestead, FL.  I think I may have been there once after Hurricane Andrew devastated it.  How is it now?  Is it a MUST-SEE attraction for the tropical fruit enthusiast?  Are all the cultivars properly labeled?  Are the trees well cared for?  You're allowed to sample whatever has fallen from the trees, correct?  But you can't bring anything home? 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Robert is Here fruit stand
« on: January 31, 2012, 09:31:24 AM »
So what would be the alternatives to "Robert is Here" to buy fruit in the Redland/Homestead area?  Okay, driving down Krome Avenue.  Anywhere else?

Judging by the photographs, mamey sapote doesn't look like it could be kept small by heavy pruning and still remain happy, healthy, and true to character.  In other words, it appears that it is by nature a large, leggy tree.  Any comments from those who have experience growing it?

Hawaiian papayas are generally sweeter and much less barfy.  I'm going to try Improved Solo Sunrise.  I'm also trying Red Lady but don't know how barfy it is. 

Thanks guys! I will leave that row alone! I know they should be large trees but I will try to keep at 12ft.
I have other sides of the house I need to populate and I will come back with pics and questions!
Thanks again  :)
You probably could do papaya plants for a couple of years until your trees get bigger, that is if you like papaya. :) 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeybell orange
« on: January 28, 2012, 02:15:58 PM »
;D Thanks for the info and links, Tim.  Interesting that it looks like an ugly, rough-skinned Minneola ("Honeybell").  Minus all the hype I wonder how much better than the Minneola it could actually be and how well it would do in FL.  Any idea when retail nurseries will have the tree for home gardeners?  If the ones grown in the Central Valley taste great, grown in Escondido (or SoCal) it should be off the charts!

My opinion: there's not enough space to plant anything in between (except for papaya plants?).  Don't compromise the space and sun requirements of the 3 excellent trees you have in the ground now.  I hope the experts weigh in!

In general, Washington State apples (supermarket apples) are nothing but looks and long storage life.  They barely have any flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeybell orange
« on: January 28, 2012, 09:14:26 AM »
Back in 1950's and before when citrus was grown in Southern California--Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties--those oranges were so much better than Florida oranges.  My produce-vendor neighbor when I was a kid used to call them "the best in the world."

Here's a few for the fruit hall of shame 

1) Noni (smells like an outhouse)
2) Quince (tastes like soft wood)
3) Kiwano / African Horned melon (why are these even sold?)
4) Pond Apple (Annona glabra) Racoons love them 
Also in this group, are those Mangos grown in places like Peru and Mexico that are picked a month before they
are mature, then refrigerated, hot dipped according to USDA requirements and sold here in Florida and elsewhere
in the US for 50cts to $1. The vast majority of these are HORRIBLE     

That would be the infamous Tommy Atkins mango, wouldn't it?  (I'm thinkin' I wanna grow noni for its medicinal value.  Who knows when it might come in handy!)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeybell orange
« on: January 27, 2012, 10:25:01 PM »
What is Dekopon, Tim?  (I moved to FL in '88.)
Also back in the 70's, Tim, Orton Englehardt, the inventor of the Rain Bird sprinkler system, and his wife Ann, had a ranch in Escondido, where they grew all kinds of amazing organic fruit.  We'd buy whatever they had ripe and in season.

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