Author Topic: AKME Gardens 2021 - Loquat Listings (Scions, Custom Grafting Services and more)  (Read 16505 times)

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Same, ordered January 2021. Calling, emailing, terrible communication. Going to have to initiate a credit card dispute.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2022, 09:58:23 AM by johnb51 »
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Same here. Ordered a tree in 2021 and nothing. No response.

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Hello everyone.

I am a bit discouraged to see some of the disappointed statements here, but if you have followed us on the Facebook Page, I have been pretty transparent about the issues we had and why communication has been virtually severed this spring. I also spent countless hours responding to thousands of emails (you realize how much time that takes?), which I also posted updates about on our Facebook Page. I see some here complaining they did not receive communication, but I know they in fact did recently, as I even got some responses back.

My communication is slow and almost non-existent right now (for past and present new customers) because we were caught up in the middle of an unexpected relocation at the height of the season.

In fact, we were without internet for over a month, because after we found a new spot, the company could not install it for many weeks.

Essentially, the land and office we were renting in Foley was sold to the neighboring hospital right out of under us. We were given 7 days to vacate before they starting dozing the area for development. At the same time, our private residence lease was expiring and we were already gearing up to move from there due to the rent going up over 80% higher upon renewal.

So we then had to find a location which would accommodate residential and business at the same time, and then move everything, at the same time, and we had a week to figure it out. At the end of the week, we landed the new location in Silverhill and then had to make more than 30 trips in a 26' Uhaul to move everything. Unfortunately, the new location was too far for my staff to drive, and we lost almost all of our workers in the move.

Meanwhile, my wife was nearing delivering a child during this chaos and was not able to physically assist me. I nearly conducted the entire move by myself from the furniture to many thousands of trees.

The new location did not have any irrigation, and though the land is flat, is still has to be bush-hogged to make way for getting all of our trees back into rows. The good news is this spot has 22 acres in the back and 3 up front, and will help us consolidate our nursery and much of our growout stock at the same location--preventing a lot of former back and forth we had.

So, after spending the past couple of months physically working 16-18 hours, 7 days a week, to try and get caught up, I have finally got us back to an operational state. Our office was just installed in the front last week, and this time we don't have to worry about a lease expiring or being nullified.

However, all of that said, it put us far behind during spring, and due to the crazy hours I have been pulling, I have been unable to communicate with anyone the way I normally do because I am out physically working rather than behind a computer or answering phones. I know everyone wants to feel like they're the only customer, but they're not--I'm dealing with a large amount of people regarding custom projects that take a long time to complete. I am the only one able to respond regarding custom trees, and just because I have not individually reached out to everyone during these past few months of absolute chaos, does not mean all of the work I did to the custom trees ceased to exist. Most of the ones complaining have completed trees which are now simply waiting in line to be shipped. I have a massive queue of completed trees, and it takes me awhile to get them shipped once in this state. During all of this, I steadily had scion and plant orders pouring in on the site which I also had to fulfill during the spring rush, and all of them were successfully delivered between the ruckus.

Due to the complexity of packaging these delicate trees (they can't be dunked in a box and shipped like regular trees and plants), each one takes me roughly 2-3 hours to properly box and ship. This is not an easy task, and is very time consuming.

I offered this service to the community since no one else is, and most are waiting very patiently for their trees to arrive. Well over half of what has been ordered from me has already been delivered, and everyone else will also get their trees the same as everyone else. Please be patient while I get this situation, which was well beyond my control, worked out.

I am doing all I physically can, and this whole experience has been gut-wrenching to say the least. I know it may be tough to see from the outside looking in, but I stand confident that I will deliver and give it the best I can given the circumstances.

Everyone who has received their custom orders has shared with me that it was worth the wait, so I am hoping that the rest will keep that same confidence that they'll have a custom they'll be proud of for decades to come once in hand.

Bear in mind, I have had little to no time for anything outside of this. I haven't been fishing this year. I haven't taken a day off except when my newest daughter was born a few weeks ago. I have limited help due to the move. I haven't been able to enjoy my own plant collection or hobbies due to keeping up with these obligations. When I was hospitalized due to an illness a couple months ago, I spent those few days responding to emails (which where many weeks behind).

I understand it is not fun waiting or receiving very limited communication from me directly, but I assure you that hasn't hindered any progress on the custom trees purchased from AKME and they will be shipped out--just know I can't do it all at once. There is a line and a process involved. I offered this service for $15. Considering I have these trees in my care generally 12+ months, and they've been moved, cared for, treated for pests and diseases, fertilized, manipulated with grafts (which sometimes fail and must be replaced), watered twice per day, housed on my property taking up space, up-potted as needed (sometimes two sizes larger by time of delivery), and in some cases even replaced (such as natural disaster/hurricanes), and incur 2x-3x the shipping costs by the time it is ready and deliverable due to increased size and inflation, I honestly do not make any money doing customs once all of this is factored in and have lost money on a number of them.

I offered this for the community who wants an affordable way to create multi-grafted custom trees, rather than throwing premades on eBay and selling them for 10x what they're worth. Yes, you have to wait a while for it, but are getting it at a fraction the cost it would be on an auction site.

I agree, my communication as of late has been terrible. I wish I had the physical strength and time to do something about it. I hope those of you who haven't received a timely response from me will be understanding toward my current dilemma and give me a chance to get caught up. Here I am, once again, up at 3:00am my time because I had a very long day but still needed to print some shipping labels for tomorrow. I haven't checked in on the TFF in a while, so logged in real quick and spotted this thread being bumped by legitimate concerns, so a response from me was certainly required. My wife is complaining because I often don't take time to eat and will generally wake up, hit the grind, and still be grinding after midnight. It is still not enough, and given that emails require around 15 minutes of my attention, each, responding to the extreme volume I am behind on is not exactly my priority because right now it is absolutely impossible--I just do not have the time. Finishing the work I am already committed to is, however, my priority, and I am working as fast and as hard as I possibly can.

If I only had a few dozen orders, that'd be one thing. However, in the past couple of years, over 2500 custom trees have been requested since we initiated this service, which boggles my mind once I think about how many grafts I have completed (some of those having up to 20 grafts on a given tree--which must be done 2-3 at a time on containerized specimens so they don't shock and die on me). We were hit by a hurricane at the end of 2020 and I had to redo and replace over 900 trees which either perished or took significant damages. While repairing those, I was already working on around 550 new orders, and I cannot even explain how challenging that was for me. Before, at least my staff ran the nursery and office while I focused on customs, but now that we've moved, I lost most of my staff until we find and train new ones, and almost everything has fallen on my head in the meantime.

I do not mean for this to come across as an excuse, but it is a reality we are facing and I hope to provide clarity for those who are concerned or annoyed by my recent silence. The lack of communication is temporary, however, and I am getting caught up very quickly due to the amount of work I am putting in. You'll notice, I did not market customs this year, and for good reason. While someone can still order them from the site directly, I have zero intention on pushing any new sales for them while focusing all my energies on shipping the ones already sitting in the queue.

I highly appreciate everyone's support, as 99% of the customer base has been wonderfully understanding and only a select few have caused a ruckus. Some people, unfortunately, either haven't provided emails/phone numbers, or have given us the wrong ones, or have protected emails that reject our server when responding, or fail to check their spam folders, etc. So, I have not been 100% non-communicative in certain circumstances. I have, however, been very, very slow, and trying to respond in the order received is about the most fair way I can figure to follow up to piled up emails and messages.

You guys hired me to graft and ship trees, not sit at the computer sending emails all day. If you saw the number of emails that pour in (especially in spring), you'd understand why I had to prioritize and focus moreso on the physical work. Plus, it is difficult to answer phones and emails when you're working out in the field the entire day with hands covered in mud. It was suggested to me to get a secretary, but when my own wife started reaching out to people, they all had the same response: "I want to talk to Adam, because he's the only one who knows anything about my custom tree."  Well, there you have it.

I will respond when I can. In the meantime, please be patient and know your custom tree will be shipping out as soon as it is physically ready. I don't want your trees on my property any longer than they need to be, and want them in your hands soon as possible.  They only get larger in my care and requires more work out of me, and become more and more expensive to ship. I have no intention holding them any longer than I must. My failure to respond right away doesn't mean they stop existing.

Good news is our new location is amazing. It was difficult, but due to a bad situation, we were made much better off for it. Now that I can consolidate properties, even short-handed, our nursery will operate much more efficiently. Once I am caught up with the back-log, we will be much faster in the near future on all commitments.

I want to continue offering this service, but I can now see why no one else does this. Negative feedback from slow communication due to high volume and local unforeseen challenges has me wanting to reconsider, and then throwing premades on eBay like everyone else does. I am not there, yet, but know I am greatly discouraged by this. Besides, I believe once I finish setting up our new location the way it needs to be, all of this will drift quickly behind as I streamline the learning curve and growing pains I've encountered.

Thanks for understanding and hope this helps to clarify and explain some of the concerns some of you were having.

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If you take people's money and committed to ship a product within 6 to 12 months but failed, isn't the best thing to do is to offer your customers REFUND? Provided you really accepted 2500 orders, do you expect all customer to accept delays unconditionally and wait ....who knows "when" to receive the product?


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Holy cow. Hope you can hire some help soon. 12 miles doesn't seem like too much of a commute but I'm from California.
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Life can throw some crazy curveballs and changeups. Wishing you best of luck in getting back on track and achieving new heights!

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Holy cow. Hope you can hire some help soon. 12 miles doesn't seem like too much of a commute but I'm from California.

Yeah, it is a 20 minute additional commute for them without the tourist traffic, and since most were already commuting 30-40 minutes from Pensacola, an hour drive was just too much with the rising fuel prices. One was a walker who lived nearby without transportation. Either way, just have to rebuild the team. Already have some filling out apps.

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It is still not enough, and given that emails require around 15 minutes of my attention, each, responding to the extreme volume I am behind on is not exactly my priority because right now it is absolutely impossible--I just do not have the time. Finishing the work I am already committed to is, however, my priority, and I am working as fast and as hard as I possibly can.


Good luck man with all your changes, hopefully for the better! Life happens, don't kill yourself over it!  :o
About the above quote, it could significantly reduce your email time if you create a template and send the same text to all the inquirers, something similar to your long post but a bit shorter  ;D  will give them peace of mind, customers will feel cared for - ghosting is really an unpleasant feeling and can create enemies and nasty reviews, which your startup business surely doesn't deserve.
Stay healthy and well hydrated!  8)

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Hey Adam, sorry to hear of these tribulations. I too have called and emailed, but my email is undependable as I have been repeatedly hacked in an ongoing drama since 2019. I have one paid order, one under contract, and seeking additional scions. Pm me when you can. Hope the Fam is doing well, including the new addition. Ed Doyle

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Hi there:  I did not want to do this, just like others have stated.  VikingGuy seems to be an active member here and very nice.

I ordered/purchased a custom grafted loquat last september 2021, was told up to 6 month lead time.  Thinking they'd be ready to ship in March, January this year I requested delivery late April due to personal events going on.  No response from them.  Given various reasons outside scope of this attempted complaint, I no longer can have this tree so I attempted to cancel the order and requested a refund in August this year (nearly a year after the order).  Several emails (8/8, 8/16, 8/22), PMs (8/16, 8/22), and voicemails (8/16, 8/22), with no return communication on part of AKME gardens.

My credit card company unfortunately won't open a claim as they only go back 60 days.

The guy was super nice on the phone and emails when I was looking to place the order last year.  He admitted to slow response subsequent to being super busy, but he still made every effort to try to help me out, so I was comfortable and placed the order.  But now, there have been no responses whatsoever.  I am not sure what to think - I don't like jumping to conclusions given his past reputation, but now I'm out a lot of money and would not recommend this person/company to anyone on this forum.  This would be the first time in 20 years I've "been had" purchasing something on the internet.

Does anyone here have ideas what else I can do to get my money back, or at minimum get return communication from AKME gardens to help resolve this issue?

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You can look for an alternative way to contact him .
No matter the circumstance, people are over the reasons or excuses or whatever you want to call them.
Being an incredibly nice person go’s along way but ultimately people want what they paid for , or a refund.

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Over a year and half for me with no response to any correspondence.

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I even left a tip at checkout - their payment system at the time asked for a tip.  :(

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I think this is his old farm address, but maybe phone number is helpful. I traded him some df cuttings for Loquat scions *edit, this was about a year n' a half ago. He was pretty communicative and sent me a schwack of scions.

AKME Gardens
1501 N McKenzie St
Foley, AL  36535
251-233-4441
Sales@akme.co

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Thanks, k-rimes.  That's the phone number I've left multiple voicemails at so far.  Apart from booking a flight to Silverhill Alabama or creating a facebook account, I don't know how else to get his attention - not just me, but the several others on this forum are going through what I am as well after looking over this thread.  His long post in June does not give me confidence he will make things right.

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« Last Edit: December 23, 2022, 10:06:28 PM by sc4001992 »

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Quick EDIT:  Kaz, appreciate you are trying to help out.

Kaz, I believe most of us were aware there would be potential long time for custom grafts - the very first post in this thread discloses 6-12 months, so if anyone was not aware of this, that really is on them.  FYI, that post was last edited 4/2021 as of my writing this.  I spent a good deal of time reading it carefully last year July-September to make sure I knew what I was getting myself into.

The lack of communication is the worst part of this.  Just as he has faced issues in his life (as he posted in June 2022), others, too, face issues.  I reached out to him multiple times, looking for a resolution to my situation since I cannot take the tree anylonger and am met with silence.  This is completely opposite to how he treated me before the order, when he was responsive despite being so very busy.  Once I paid, that was it.  And it's clear from this thread others are having this issue with him as well.

Also, the custom service page has changed since I made the order; before, there was little to no information, you can see old archive here (it was under construction then):
https://web.archive.org/web/20210727042803/https://akmegardens.com/products/custom-grafting-services-cocktail-tree
I made my decision to purchase under the terms and conditions of the first post in this thread.

Hopefully what I've written makes sense, and provides an objective  presentation without emotion.  My goal is not to throw anyone under the bus, make accusations, or draw assumptions.  Rather:  most importantly, to try to find a way to communicate with the seller, and second, let others know what I've experienced so they can make their own decision whether to enter into business with this seller.

For posterity, here's the quote from the first post, it's long I guess but contains sufficient details on this process including the timelines - I tried uploading a PDF of the post so it would be more "official", however, the system converts the first page of the pdf to an image and won't show the remaining pages.  So, hopefully there can be some credibility behind this quote:


CUSTOM COCKTAILS & GRAFTING SERVICES
You may request a custom cocktail tree on any of the available rootstocks. I am very meticulous and artistic with my grafts and will make sure they are carefully positioned with future growth vigor in mind. Additionally, you might occasionally get photographic updates when an action is taken on a cocktail tree you are waiting for as time and weather permits.  Due to volume of orders, however, I cannot guarantee ongoing photos on demand, but will certainly try when I can.  I have been told I’m the only person making custom multi-grafted trees built to order, so please understand I have received an unexpected number of requests since making this unique service available.

I put a lot of careful planning and effort into grafting your trees with viability, growth and aesthetics all in mind. I am also very careful with keeping clean surfaces.  All tools are washed to prevent cross contamination, and scions and trees being joined together are treated so nothing spreads across surfaces.  I inspect every tree and scion for any trace of diseases, weaknesses, pests and infections.

While a few grafts are more common, placing a dozen or more varieties on a larger rootstock is not out of the question for those wanting extreme diversity in a small space. If you want it, I can make it happen. Just please be respectful of the size of the tree, and if you are leaning toward whether you should upgrade or not, always lean toward the upgrade.

My rate is a flat 15 dollars per single grafting procedure per purchased scion (if you'd seen what I go through with some veneers, you'd ask why I don't charge more    :o ;D ). If you research the costs of single grafted named cultivar trees, then you will truly appreciate the value of my grafting services—especially if you are an avid eBay shopper. Plus, I am housing your cocktail tree, and moving it around constantly for adequate lighting, moisture, treatments and inspections for many months. I must use ample supplies, wear on my tools, personal time and planning, etc. Please be respectful of this modest expectation for my efforts, and imagine the look a barber would give you if you tried to barter with his set rates in the barber shop.  :o  ???  ::)  :blank:

Please allow 6-12 months for me to process custom grafting services from start to finish.  Sometimes, I can have smaller orders ready more quickly if the tree responds well, but trees and scions can be unpredictable.  In addition, if you order a tree requiring a lot of grafts, I must place them on 2-3 at a time in given intervals over the course of weeks or months to not overstress and kill the tree. Very large projects could take longer than 12 months to complete.  Also, prior to shipping custom grafted trees, I provide them 2-3 weeks of low light conditioning, so they do not shock during transit and absciss any branches.

Also, as the 2020 season taught me, unforeseen acts of God, such as hurricanes or extreme heat waves, can cause delays, failures or damages; and while I will do everything in my ability to correct and replace your trees, scions and grafts at no extra charge (as I did after Hurricane Sally devastated us with a direct hit in 2020), I do ask that you are patient during such events and try to avoid asking for updates every few days on a project which takes months.  I ended up with a far larger customer base than anticipated once we transitioned online last year.  I communicate via email, phone, text, PM’s, social media, etc., when time allows; and while I appreciate everyone wanting an update constantly and instantaneously and feel like they are the only customer, the reality is—they are not—please be respectful of that fact.  I work in the healthcare/medical field by day and am “Plant Man” by night and weekends, while managing an occasional family life with my wife and children—so go easy on me—I will very appreciative and thankful if you do.

I do not ship custom grafted trees until I am sure the graft union is certain with 2 or more (non-deceiving) flushes—but can (reluctantly) ship it at any time if you demand it—loquats are resilient after all. If any graft or tree fails while in my care, however, I will replace the scion and redo the graft at no extra charge. So technically, I am including some insurance while trees are in my care.  If you demand the tree sooner (against my advice), however, and the grafts fail due to premature shipping or while within your care, I am not going to take responsibility for that decision.  I will gladly walk you through grafting some scions on it yourself if you are new to the process.

I understand you are trusting me to craft your tree, and you are investing into these projects; but I am also investing my time, skills, efforts, labor and materials for the convenience of making custom tree art possible. That said, please do not demand deadlines, harass, rush, bash or threaten me (my company or ministry), including on social platforms (yes, a few people have done this), when you become impatient with your project. I am very quick to offer a refund when this occurs, and it is of no concern to me, as a long line of others will gladly snatch the tree up in a heartbeat when it is finally ready.

I will always contact you before shipping your trees to make sure your local temps are safe, you are present to receive the package, and your contact and address information is still accurate.  All orders now process through the website, including custom tickets, and tracking information will be generated and automatically sent to your email once the label is printed.

If you want specific grafting styles performed, please specify cleft, wedge, whip and tongue, veneer, etc., otherwise I will simply choose what I feel is best for the size of scion and location on the tree. You can also opt in for approach grafting if you wish to co-join two or more rootstocks. Also, you may request a photo of your selected tree and instruct me precisely how you want it grafted if you want more control over the process.

 I will perform local grafting services and travel to your property and graft to your trees directly provided you are within Baldwin County or at a reasonable distance from the county (preferably less than 2 hours from Gulf Shores, AL—I cannot stand driving long distances!). I do not have a pricing plan for this service, so perhaps you can make an offer to make it worth my time. If you're really serious about it, I believe I can fly (  ;D  ;D ), but you better reach deep and fire up a grill for those ribeyes if you want me traveling to that extent. I suppose anything is possible if you make it worthwhile.  ;)  Traveling grafting services would only be available on weekends.
   •   Customized Cocktail Tree Grafting Service – 30 extra per (up to 3) scion grafting procedures (Single Variety, up to 3 Graftings) – Save money by having a Large scion cut into 2-3 pieces and placed on same tree
   •   Customized Cocktail Tree Grafting Service – 15 extra per scion grafting procedure (Single Variety, 1 Grafting)

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Yup, I agree with what you stated. Their website info on the agreement for the "time to deliver" has been updated.
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I too ordered one back in March 2021... 

I'm fairly local, so I started contacting Adam in Spring 2022... After trying to get ahold of him a couple of times, he finally got back to me. I asked him if my tree was ready and if I could come to pick it up. He said yes and agreed. I drove to his new location in AL the next day. I arrive and he was super nice and shared all the perils he's had with his business (hurricane/property/rental/location/employee issues), which is unfortunate. But it looked like he was getting his feet on the ground and all set up at the new location.

I was able to retrieve the tree... but it was pretty obvious most, if not all, of the grafts had been done the day before (nothing had flushed out, grafting tape was pristine, labels were brand new, etc).  A tree I had ordered over a year ago at that point had just been grafted.  I'm not sure if he lost some of the original trees in storms or power-loss events... but that isn't encouraging for the rest of ya'll.

Only 2 of maybe a dozen grafts ended up taking. I contacted him about the failed graphs and he said that ,under his guarantee, he would come and re-graft since I was local. I told him, I'm here anytime...  That was months ago, I'm not holding my breath because at least I got a tree.

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Dang, sorry to hear that. I feel very fortunate that I keep forgetting about my order until this thread keeps re-appearing  :-X

I too ordered one back in March 2021... 

I'm fairly local, so I started contacting Adam in Spring 2022... After trying to get ahold of him a couple of times, he finally got back to me. I asked him if my tree was ready and if I could come to pick it up. He said yes and agreed. I drove to his new location in AL the next day. I arrive and he was super nice and shared all the perils he's had with his business (hurricane/property/rental/location/employee issues), which is unfortunate. But it looked like he was getting his feet on the ground and all set up at the new location.

I was able to retrieve the tree... but it was pretty obvious most, if not all, of the grafts had been done the day before (nothing had flushed out, grafting tape was pristine, labels were brand new, etc).  A tree I had ordered over a year ago at that point had just been grafted.  I'm not sure if he lost some of the original trees in storms or power-loss events... but that isn't encouraging for the rest of ya'll.

Only 2 of maybe a dozen grafts ended up taking. I contacted him about the failed graphs and he said that ,under his guarantee, he would come and re-graft since I was local. I told him, I'm here anytime...  That was months ago, I'm not holding my breath because at least I got a tree.

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After a no response from him about a question I had, I never placed an order with him.

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I still have no update regarding my order from Feb 2021. Egg on my face. I’m completely dumbfounded     

Two years and I’ve got nothing.
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Sounds like fraud to me. Maybe if everyone files a consumer complaint, it could raise some eyebrows. Squeaky wheel kind of thing.

https://www.alabamaag.gov/consumercomplaint

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I feel so bad for everyone who lost money with this dude.

You'd probably do best just buying or driving to Alabama and visiting his address, but then again, probably won't go vey well to see a scammer in person this way. I wouldn't be that brave.

The last address, email and phone I had from him was:


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Did anyone get the Viking loquat from Adam? I wanted to get one and never got around to it.
Is it really as good as he described?


 

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