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Here is a wider view of the marang, TropicalFruitHunters:

And the pedalai is in a crowded corner where it will never have enough room. 

I am happy to see it can grow and thrive in a northern greenhouse, but it seems like it would require a dedicated massive greenhouse of its own to ever fruit.  I will probably dig it up in the spring and plant a more realistic tree in that spot. 

The marang itself is clearly a stretch, but I guess I will see how far I can take it with pruning. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: December 04, 2023, 10:11:37 AM »
Ah I haven't tried much indoor growing, I wish you good luck.  Some of the tropical plants I have moved indoors from outside died instantly, from dry air I assume, but others do great.  If you have humidity control I think you should have success.

In the other kwai muk thread that goes back many years, Oscar/fruitlovers mentions it is possible but difficult

"Difficult to start from cuttings, unless you use rooting hormones and mist house."

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: December 03, 2023, 06:32:52 PM »
Hello Forum! I amquite exited that i found this place where people love tropicla fruit and plants like me, I live in seattle so growing some of these fruits can be a challenge but i have a house that i can fill. some of my plants include:
-Syzgenium samerengense
-Dragon fruit
-Hass avocado
-Passiflora edulis
-Green Caimito
-Purple Caimito
-Mamey sapote

I look forward to meeting all of you! ;D


I just visited Seattle for the first time this year, nice place.  I ended up eating gallons of currants from the Pike Place market, and discovered Shishito peppers there which am now also finding locally.  The huge bay leaf tree in the community garden is really cool.

When you say "fill up a house" do you mean a greenhouse?  If so you should post pictures of your setup, there are a number of dedicated greenhouse growers like myself amidst the Florida and California outdoor guys. 

How long have you been growing these types?  I have been trying most of them on your list in my greenhouse for the past 3-5yrs...

- Jackfruit is easy but wants to get big.  My just started flowering after 5yrs and I have to prune it constantly. 
- carombola/starfruit fruits easily in a container.  I'm not fan of its fruit but it has very pretty flowers
- I have malay apple which is similar to wax jambu/samerengense, it is very healthy but supposed to be a looong time to fruit.  Not sure if I can let it get big enough
- Dragonfruit cactus is a tippy thorny monstrosity.. that I would totally grow out if I had more space.  It looks so cool but I ditched mine before it flowered as I was sick of it falling on me.
- Never tried growing avocado because the grocery store ones are already so good
- Lychee has been incredibly difficult to grow for me, not sure why.  I think they don't like my soil or water (that every other plant seems to like).
- Haven't tried growing passiflora, the gooey fruit pulp texture grosses me out, though the taste is really good
- Tamarind is easy and a very pretty tree, I grew mine from Indian store tamarind paste seeds.  Long way from fruiting though.
- Never tried growing caimitos.  I tried the fruit once and it was kinda bland so it never caught my attention
- My green sapotes keep dying, no sure why, I assume mamey is similar.  I am going to keep trying though as I really like mamey.
- Canistel has been a massive success for me, the tree is gorgeous and I love the fruit.  I have a Ross Sapote/canistel that just started flowering and I hear it is even better than normal canistels.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you grow Marang in Florida?
« on: December 03, 2023, 05:40:40 PM »

Mine is only 3ft tall right now but it looks to be set for rapid growth.  If it grows straight up without branching I guess I could cut it back severely and try to force it to a more open shape

My marang is taking off, and has branched out nicely on its own and is about 5ft tall and wide.  With its large leaves and wide growth it looks like it will try to quickly take over my entire greenhouse.  It is planted smack in the center, at least, so if I wanted to let it get fairly large I could.  At this rate it will require pruning very soon.

Even the pedalai is doing great, its growth is starting to accelerate finally after a slow start and I will probably have to remove it next year as it clearly isn't going to have enough room where it is at.  I was mostly just interested to see if it would grow, maybe one day if I can build more greenhouses I'll try it in a huge one. 

The cempedak I put in-ground still looks healthy but is a very slow grower.  Still under 1ft tall in the greenhouse

I got a bunch of keledang seeds from Indonesia but none sprouted, unfortunately :(   They looked fresh enough but maybe they have a really short shelf life.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai Muk (Artocarpus parvus) Varieties
« on: December 03, 2023, 05:27:50 PM »
what a difference planting in-ground makes!   A year ago these trees were both around the same size.  The one in container is maybe twice as large in a year, and the one in ground is five times bigger and has been actively putting out new growth all winter long.

My in-ground kwai muk is now ten feet tall and 6ft diameter!  I can't believe the first picture was from only 8 months ago.  The one in the container grew about six inches in the same time.  I guess I don't need it as a backup anymore, the in-ground one is super healthy.

I am holding the container one in my hand. Because it is so close to camera it seems large but it is in a half-gal pot and only 3ft tall

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean holding a fruit
« on: December 03, 2023, 05:17:08 PM »
The taste is like moist, fuzzy, vanilla sugar.  It really tastes like it looks if that makes sense.  It is nice enough, but I'm not sure it is worth a spot in my greenhouse long term.  If I had more space I would.

I am happy to hear it is different, simply because it is nice to try something new.  I realize there are a TON of eugenias out there and many are quite similar.

Thanks.  I am really pleased with the greenhouse.  I have been looking to buy land nearby to build a bunch more greenhouses, but with the massive increase in housing prices lately land itself has also become much more expensive.  It makes me sad to know that 90% of the trees I grow are destined to be trashed because there isn't enough room for everything.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean holding a fruit
« on: December 03, 2023, 10:31:31 AM »
Depending on how big your tree is, you could try soaking it regularly in a big tub to leach some of the accumulated salts out, but hard water is a difficult or expensive problem to solve for sure.  Basically you have to collect rainwater or pay for expensive filtration/RO solution

Looks and sounds quite like Eugenia reinwardtiana.

It does look very much the same, Oqueel!  Maybe it is the same, or a variety of it.  The leaves and fruit seem slightly rounder in the generic wikipedia/elsewhere descriptions of Cedar Bay Cherry, and they are writing it as "large shrub to small tree" while the mystery fruit is supposedly very small on its own. 

Maybe Jaboticaba45 can post some detailed pictures if he gets a chance.  I will follow up with more photos over time, we can see how similar they are to the CBC photos around.

Very nice to hear they taste good, Jaboticaba45, thanks.  I agree it looks like syzgium or eugenia, but I'm no botanist.

I have way more plants than I have room for these days, but as this one seems ripe for bonsai culture it should be easy to make space for.  I started hanging the smallest trees from the ceiling of my greenhouse to make room.

Fliptop, if you want seeds I'll mail you some, they are small enough to mail as a "letter" for just the cost of a postage stamp.  But I'm getting ahead of myself... let's see if the fruit matures first :)

In February of this year I ordered a bunch of random seeds from Bellamy.  I was poking around my greenhouse today and noticed that one of these had flowers and fruitlets forming, only nine months after planting thje seed.

I hope Kameron won't mind me posting his description here, from
"Fruta do Mistério - Fruit of Mystery
Seeds were imported directly from Brazil. This is thought to be Syzygium sp but it is not for certain. It is a small dense bush, that always stays small. Due to its size, it can stay in a container long term, or maybe even used for bonsai. The plant fruits abundantly, and several times a year. This plant like well-draining soil and lots of sun. The fruits are said to be good and eaten out of hand and are very sweet. Each fruit contains only one seed. Collectors in Brazil have reported that their seedlings are starting to produce after only 2-3 years from seed!"

his photo:

These particular ones were pre-germinated and most of them sprouted and survived.  I don't remember if I tossed the excess or if I have a few more floating around my greenhouse somewhere.  I guess it is possible there's another one flowering in my greenhouse and some flies cross-pollinated, but most likely these are just easily self-fruitful.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean holding a fruit
« on: November 28, 2023, 08:37:09 PM »
A basin under the container is a good idea.  I bought a bunch of "water heater overflow/drip pans" when they were on clearance at the big box hardware store on year and I have been using them when I bring some of my larger containers indoors.  I should put one under the inga to retain the excess water.

I am not sure how sensitive ingas are to dissolved solids, I am fortune enough to have low-TDS piped water at a decent price. 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kumquats seedlings dying
« on: November 27, 2023, 09:28:28 PM »
Citrus seem to be able to handle full sun with no problem at all. 

I have seen a lot of citrus small seedlings die off.   Every time I start a batch of kumquat or trifoliate seedlings I usually lose a third of them or more without any obvious cause.   The soil/fungal explanation makes the most sense to me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean holding a fruit
« on: November 27, 2023, 09:23:37 PM »

I was really excited when mine finally fruited this year after flowing for a year or two but setting no fruit.  Mine is supposed to be an edulis.  I am still on the fence about keeping it long term, but I was able to make room for it in the greenhouse this winter. 

They seem to like a lot of water, I struggle to keep mine hydrated in its container, even in winter

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kishus Are Doing Well This Year!
« on: November 27, 2023, 09:17:13 PM »
I have grown a lot of different mandarins and Kishu is definitely one of the keepers.   Large crops, always sweet, no seeds, easy peel.  I have never had a bad one, they don't get puffy and dry like some others.  They are a little small but they have no inedible parts aside from the skin so for the smallest ones you can peel and eat the whole thing in one bite.  You could probably eat the skin too it isn't that bitter.

I am whittling down my orange/mandarin collection to just a Kishu, Shasta Gold, and Shiranui/Sumo/Dekopan.  These have been consistently the best for me.

I have tried a handful of hose end sprayers and they have all been unreliable.  I recommend a regular pump sprayer.

My lucs garcinis are among the slowest growing plants I have, even mangostana grows faster.  Lemon drop and seashore mangosteen grow much faster, and achacahiru is the most vigorous for me.

My lemon drop fruits still look the same as when I first posted.  I wonder if they will turn out to be runts and fall off.  Regardless, I am happy to see fruit and I understand these may produce large crops when a bit more mature

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruits Hunting in Việt Nam
« on: November 11, 2023, 10:37:53 PM »
There was an article on WSJ today saying Viet growers are all replanting their land to grow durians to sell to meet China's new demand. 

My Vietnamese neighbors were mostly asking about citrus and sugar apples when they saw my greenhouse. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pink Wampee first flowers
« on: November 11, 2023, 10:34:25 PM »
The fruit tasted okay, it wasn't too sour, but it was so small and scant flesh it just wasn't worth it. I am looking forward to trying regular non-pink wampee next

My cherimoya never sees below 53F (12C) or so and flowers like crazy

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s up with my rollinia?
« on: November 09, 2023, 09:26:08 PM »
The leaf stippling pattern in your second picture looks like spider mite damage, is it possible you have a severe spider mite infestation?  I have found annonas are absolute magnets for spider mites. 

My rollinia flowers all the time but has never set a fruitlet.  I assume it is lack of pollination, mine is in a greenhouse and I haven't tried hand pollinating yet

I am optimistic about what can be grown in containers but I don't think jackfruit is viable.  In ground it gets huge fast, long before fruiting.  In containers it seems unhealthy and I suspect it would take forever to fruit.  Maybe try kwai muk?   It seems more compact.

And yeah starfruit is easy in container, my seedling/rootstock one fruited at a very reasonably size.

I finally started getting more guavas than I can eat at 20gal, so I am keeping mine there.  They are quite productive.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop fruiting in container?
« on: November 07, 2023, 07:32:56 PM »
I saw this funny one in a local nursery, posted about it here:

Roughly 2gal pot, speculation is roots are into the ground though.

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