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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 30, 2023, 01:40:31 PM »
I have found the best time is early spring when I can put the tree outside in shade.  I can acclimate the tree to sunlight while the tree adjusts to the root pruning.  It is much harder to adjust in spring time than fall because the sun has risen to sun scalding levels when it is still quite cold outside.

Have you been using the same fert regiment on both?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 29, 2023, 03:50:17 AM »
Do you know if anyone on the forum has tried to grow citrus in air pruning containers?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 27, 2023, 11:25:29 AM »
When do you normally choose to root prune? Like pre-winter? Post-winter? I have no idea what the recommendation would be for citrus.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 27, 2023, 09:26:22 AM »
My goal is to keep my kumquats in a small almost bonzai like state - 5 gallon or less. I guess FD is the way to go.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 26, 2023, 08:13:19 PM »
Yes.  Each up potting I cleared out circling roots and cut he bottom 1/2 inch mass of matted roots off.  I will be up potting this spring from my 30 gallon pot to a 54 gallon Stainless steel pot on swivel wheels  I will trim off the circling and matted roots.  This will be the final up potting for this tree.


How many up pots have you done on the C-35 so far? what about the FD?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 25, 2023, 11:03:42 PM »
Thanks for the info. @deRoode, did you also take cuttings during hot months?

@poncirsguy, have you had to root prune either plant yet? Does it look like more aggressive root pruning or more frequent root pruning will be ncessary on C-35 relative to FD?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 24, 2023, 02:42:28 PM »
Have you tried to root FD cuttings? If so, was it easy?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Does this tree have citrus greening?
« on: January 21, 2023, 01:31:24 AM »
Sample size of one does not a statistic make.

I also like how those youtube videos showing grafting but never follow-up because their attempts all failed.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 19, 2023, 03:36:19 PM »
So the 6 foot C-35 is in a 30 gallon pot?

I'm curious now. Did you notice more vegetative growth on the C-35, early on? Or did the root mass just grow that much faster? Presumably, it has grown faster in a shorter period of time, requiring up-potting, right?

In their current form, is there more vegetative growth on the C-35 compared to the FD?


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus cold protection question
« on: January 19, 2023, 03:32:34 PM »
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2020.583666/full

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Cold stress is a significant environmental factor that negatively affects plant growth and development in particular when it occurs during the growth phase. Plants have evolved means to protect themselves from damage caused by chilling or freezing temperatures and some plant species, in particular those from temperate geographical zones, can increase their basal level of freezing tolerance in a process termed cold acclimation. Cold acclimation improves plant survival, but also represses growth, since it inhibits activity of the growth-promoting hormones gibberellins (GAs). In addition to GAs, the steroid hormones brassinosteroids (BRs) also take part in growth promotion and cold stress signaling; however, in contrast to Gas, BRs can improve cold stress tolerance with fewer trade-offs in terms of growth and yields. Here we summarize our current understanding of the roles of BRs in cold stress responses with a focus on freezing tolerance and cold acclimation pathways.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 17, 2023, 05:18:53 PM »
Could you post corresponding measurements? Height, pot-size, caliper (from same soil height, say 1 inch).

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 15, 2023, 01:05:34 PM »
Even on FD?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 15, 2023, 12:24:39 PM »
You're right in that thorns can be manageable. My main issue is if I even have the right cultivar.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 15, 2023, 11:37:06 AM »


The thorns on mine are pretty large relative to leaf size. I'm more and more convinced that it wasn't a failed graft, but rather, I was sold a mislabeled plant. The rootstock should be FD, so I would have expected the typical three leaf clusters, which I don't see   on any of the stems.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 14, 2023, 11:17:19 AM »
What rootstocks are they on?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Difference between Dwarf and Standard
« on: January 14, 2023, 11:08:55 AM »
A nursery can also shown you a small "standard" tree that has simply been well pruned and managed. Bonsais are a prefect example of this. Many nurseries actually sell the "dwarf" and "standard" using the same rootstock; the only difference being the head height (pruning decision).

A newly purchased tree on a true dwarfing rootstock should have a sign of being grafted (especially at a young age). If it is on a dwarfing rootstock they should be able to tell you what rootstock it is on. If they can't tell you, then it's 99% standard.

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Citrus General Discussion / Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 14, 2023, 11:04:19 AM »
Looking for some ID help. I'm a bit stumped. Does Fukushu have thorns? My meiwa on C35 doesn't have thorns. I searched Google and this forum and there seem to be plenty of Fukushu pictures without thorns, and some with. My own Fukushu on FD has really large thorns, and I'm wondering if it's actually the failed graft....

Poncirsguy grew his Fukushu stock from seed though, so technically its a Fukushu seedling....

Poncirsguy's seedling Fukushu grafted on FD with thorns
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=49680.msg478470#msg478470
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=47939.msg464189#msg464189
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45884.msg446822#msg446822

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Citrus General Discussion / New Zealand lemonade vs Meyer lemon
« on: February 26, 2022, 06:05:37 AM »
How do these two compare?

I was reading two older threads, but they don't really compare the two.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=41925.0
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=13726.0

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Citrus General Discussion / c-22 bitters rootstock compatibility?
« on: February 25, 2022, 05:08:43 PM »
I believe that C-22 bitters was originally intended for sour orange rootstock alternative for grapefruits. I am wondering if there is any reason to believe it would have poor compatibility with kumquats.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon seeds- For Sale
« on: September 23, 2019, 05:28:58 PM »
Is there still seed available?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs trifoliate orange
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:43:26 PM »
Thanks everyone for helping me with the identification (and the picture for future reference)!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs trifoliate orange
« on: September 16, 2019, 01:04:29 PM »
Is the curved contorted growth apparent this young?

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Citrus General Discussion / flying dragon vs trifoliate orange
« on: September 16, 2019, 11:16:46 AM »
Someone sent me some seedlings. They aren't sure if they are flying dragon or generic trifoliate orange. At such an immature stage, is there an easy way to tell them apart? or identify one from the other?


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Thanks everyone. Given me a lot to think about.

I have 8 or so trees on flying dragon. They all have benching but not sure how/if that affects the tree, they produce well for their size (too well). Trees were all precocious but I would have thought all grafting citrus were. The downside (and the reason why you shouldn't care about them being precocious) is that they do grow VEEERY slowly. I pull most fruit off. I don't hate pruning and wish at times I had used a more vigorous rootstock.


This might interest you about the more recent going ons in Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIu4GnX4Rc

That was really interesting. I found these other links that help explain it. Dwarfing viroid keeps orange trees compact  New South Wales DPI

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Hi scamper!

I understand your concern for dwarfing. In AZ citrus used to be propagated on Flying Dragon or Sour Orange rootstock. More often now it is all almost always on C-35. I have many citrus trees on both Sour Orange and C-35 and both seem to be fairly vigorous rootstocks. I seem to recall that C-35 is more disease resistant, not necessarily dwarfing.

Question: You have an existing Meiwa on C-35. You need to transfer it to something more dwarfing? I am surprised. In AZ citrus grows incredibly fast. And I have a several year old Meiwa kumquat and it is maybe 5-6 ft tall. Very slow growing. But very productive for it's size. Do you get a good harvest off your kumquats in Chicago?

Good luck on your research!

It's abot 3-4 feet. Not sure age, since it was a gift. I figured if I put it on FD it might help slow down growth even more since I get lazy with pruning and want to keep it 3-4 max.

There are limitations on FD. Benching is one of them.
Growing very slowly then you will need to wait many many years to have a big tree in 10 gallon container.
It's good for ornamental purpose to gave few citrus fruits in the tree. If you intend to eat from eat it again you need to wait years.
I use selected vigorous PT and a selected Ischang papeda.
You can use comercial rootstockand you can repot the trees every year until final pot then after every 2-3 years prune the roots and change the soil.
Hard tap water is a killer for FD.

By benching do you mean the incompatibly line at the graft union? What limiting factor does benching have on the scion? (With apples it either takes or it doesn't pretty much, so just trying to clarify.)

With FD I was under the impression that while it grows slowing, it also induces precociousness, no?

Why is hard tap water a killer for FD? I have hard well water which then goes to RO.

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