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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill 40-26 Fruit
« on: April 17, 2024, 08:28:34 AM »
I have one but its small so no flowers only growth this year.
A quick search will show many posts.  This 2017 post by Squam256 is not the oldest but is a great clue to where you could get the answer to your question.  I suggest you ask him, he is active on the forum and has been fruiting this variety for several years (since 2017).
Julie seedling, produced poorly at Gary Zill's property. I have one that set very well for me this year; stripped most of the fruit offnit but left a couple. Sap Aroma is Gary-esque. Appears to be mid season.

Im guessing this means Im not going to keep this one since Gary is a few blocks from me.

Not necessarily. It may have not produced for Gary as a seedling but I would confirm the productivity with Alex now as a grafted tree. 40-26 and 40-17(great tasting mango but small also) are both at the USDA which probably save them from extinction since I believe Gary had gotten rid of them.

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Thanks. Good Point, it has been pretty windy here. Maybe bad timing with the tender leaves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tropical Persimmon - new growth dying off
« on: April 16, 2024, 08:32:35 AM »
Anyone experience or know why new leaf growth on persimmon would wilt and die? It happened to part of the tree last year as well. Other sections of the tree look good and is flowering.


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My M4 is in a horribly shady spot because I just had to add another mango tree,  :o. It has no issues setting plenty of fruit however they can get a really ugly dark color color as they are ripening, especially if it rains alot. It's not the regular scabby skin that some mangos get. My tree tree bloomed earlier than ever so I want to evaluate if they look cleaner with hopefully less rains.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smallest Mango Fruit Variety
« on: January 30, 2024, 08:32:03 AM »
Cant remember if it's Prieto or Toledo mangos at Lara Farms are tiny. The ones I saw were smaller than chicken eggs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 21, 2023, 05:59:47 PM »



My not so beautiful M4's.
They looked perfectly green 3 weeks ago and seem to hate excess rain when they start reaching maturity. My tree is in a very shady spot however it still produces well. Last year they looked better than this (I don't think we had as much rain) but two years ago they were full of skin cracks, splitting and scabbing as well. I've been picking 1 or 2 mangos a week for 3 weeks trying to see if they ripen properly before they start rotting on the tree.
"They looked perfectly green 3 weeks ago" 
Those 3 mangos in the pictures are 21 days old since being Picked??? If so, I would definitely put in refrigerator & cool down & try one as soon as cooled & go from there.

Have your tasted any and if so after how many days after being picked green & how were they?

No, the 3 pictured are not 21 days old. I have been picking 1 or 2 mangos per week to see if they ripen properly. All the ones I cut open are more of a pale yellow color, not fully sweet and missing the coconut flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 21, 2023, 08:15:47 AM »



My not so beautiful M4's.
They looked perfectly green 3 weeks ago and seem to hate excess rain when they start reaching maturity. My tree is in a very shady spot however it still produces well. Last year they looked better than this (I don't think we had as much rain) but two years ago they were full of skin cracks, splitting and scabbing as well. I've been picking 1 or 2 mangos a week for 3 weeks trying to see if they ripen properly before they start rotting on the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango trees
« on: July 19, 2023, 02:38:37 PM »
As basic as it sounds, remember to water when needed. Now it rains daily but during the winter/spring we can easily get a couple weeks without rain. I have killed a few larger potted mangos while being out of town and neglecting them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 17, 2023, 09:27:02 AM »
Does anyone have an opinion about this?  If a mango is picked green and after one week it's still hard and green (well starting to show a little yellow), was it probably picked too green?  The mango in question is Karla, which is supposed to be a mid to late mango.  I'm thinking that Zill may still be picking their mangos too early, which has been a problem in the past with them.  You see 95% of the mangos in their office/shop being sold green with no color.  Also, I overheard another customer asking about a particular variety, and the lady in the office (who seemed uncomfortable talking to customers) said it wasn't grown by them.  Does anyone know who else they might get mangos from?

First year picking Karla from my tree and this appears to be another mango that needs to be picked green to avoid uneven ripening. All the ones picked when showing signs of tree-ripening all had the same issue. Once cut open, the bottom 1/3 of the mango was just mush. Curious to know if anyone else is experiencing this or not. I've been picking its "sibling" Fruit Punch, when the nose turns yellow and it has no ripening issues at all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 06, 2023, 11:44:48 AM »
haha welcome to the club. Despite growing on calcareous soil, I still have a major problem with uneven ripening of OS. Though when picked early, they should ripen normally.

I'm sure there is a way to mitigate the soft nose / jelly seed issue, but I haven't quite found it yet.

Soil water retention might be a factor (ie, high rain plus poorly draining soil might exacerbate the condition).

Can anyone help with this?  My orange sherbet mangoes are not ripening properly.  No matter what they have a huge jelly seed.  I've tried picking them earlier and not leaving them on the tree to ripen, and opening them earlier, and still the jelly seed.  This is the first year the tree produced a lot of fruit.  Last year I got a few fruit and I don't remember them having this problem.

Yeah, This was a major issue for me the last time this tree fruited 2 years ago. The few early ones I had this year did not have this problem and will see how badly the main crop is affected now.



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Never heard of Zebdid. Maybe it's the same as Zebda, but misspelled or pronounced differently? Which is a green Egyptian mango with good flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: May 23, 2023, 08:19:08 PM »
I agree. If it's an old neighborhood tree it's probably not a Rapoza; since it would not have been a common mango to find in Florida. The ones I've had get larger than that and don't recall any fiber.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango weed wacker damage
« on: May 01, 2023, 09:23:39 AM »



Pretty much the only benefit of having rocky soil. Chops up weed-eater strings all day and blocks lawnmower banging.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LZ vs OS ease of bloom
« on: March 17, 2023, 08:18:45 AM »
OS has bloomed better for me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shade cast by dwarf coconut?
« on: February 17, 2023, 09:20:10 AM »
They have both the dwarf fiji and dwarf Malayan at the F&S park. Julie is right, the dwarf fiji have a wider trunk and large fronds with minimal spacing in between. If you plant a small one it probably won't be and issue for several years but I guess it depends on how tall you are planning to let the trees in the back get.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cycad appreciation
« on: February 14, 2023, 08:30:57 PM »
Be careful with these if you have a dog or puppy that eats everything in your yard. I know of a dog that got poisoned and died from eating the red coontie fruits/seeds.

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bulldawg305 - those trees do look pretty healthy. Have you eaten any fruit from them?

Yes, all the oranges I have tried have been sour and have used them as a marinade for cooking. However the grapefruit are the best I have had. They are full of seeds but very large, juicy with a pale flesh. They taste sweet and sour with minimal sulfur taste that most others have. The variety I found online that closest resembles these traits is Duncan.

OK so the Duncans are in good shape. But the oranges - do you think they are sour because they've come up from below the graft, or maybe planted from seed years ago?

No these are just sour-oranges seedlings in the wild, not an old citrus grove. It's impressive that when the rains come they survive several inches of standing water no problem.

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bulldawg305 - those trees do look pretty healthy. Have you eaten any fruit from them?

Yes, all the oranges I have tried have been sour and have used them as a marinade for cooking. However the grapefruit are the best I have had. They are full of seeds but very large, juicy with a pale flesh. They taste sweet and sour with minimal sulfur taste that most others have. The variety I found online that closest resembles these traits is Duncan.

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Kumquats and fingerlimes do best from what I know.

My exact experience. May just be my luck, but my Japanese Yuzu (C. junos) is thriving; wont fruit for a year or two though.
Even though the variegated centennial kumquat had good bug resistance, I still replaced it with a container starfruit. Much easier to deal with.

As far as planting by oaks, supposedly best way to fight citrus greening. Has to be planted in the ground though, some sort of symbiosis in the soil or something idk. Likely will still require sprays.

I think the oak tree stuff turned out to be bunk but UF hasn't pulled their old news releases from the internet so the advice keeps getting circulated around. It's been years with no followup from them about it.

Not sure exactly how or why this works, but I have seen plenty of citrus growing in the understory of oak hammocks and swamps that are healthy. This is also within a mile of an old citrus grove where all the trees are dead or look like crap.






After seeing this, I finally got inspired to test it out and plant an orange tree under oaks. It's only been in ground for 1 year, and it actually looks healthy with dark green leaves. I have another planted in an open space and almost all the new growth gets destroyed by leaf minors. Also, for the one in the open, I tried putting a heavy oak-leaf mulch around it but seems to have no benefits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Condo Mango Variety Recommendations
« on: February 02, 2023, 08:18:19 AM »
I would reach out to Alex at Tropical Acres and see what he recommends be grafted on to Piva or other dwarfing rootstock and they can make that for you.

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I also have experienced essentially no mango production for the past two years with the 1 Carrie tree I have. Mine has flowered well and looks to be soon loaded with flowers again. I would wait to see how the fruit set is this year before top-working.

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I would let it hold the fruit and don't see why it wouldn't flush new growth after harvest. Assuming it's a healthy tree and has required nutrients.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thoughts on 9waters?
« on: January 10, 2023, 05:37:39 PM »
I've ordered 6 little plants from them and they looked healthy and arrived quickly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: January 10, 2023, 05:34:48 PM »
Since 2017 and 2020 respectively.

I planted a CC in 2014 and have gotten fair to good production the last 2 years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple Pleasure Productivity
« on: December 23, 2022, 01:45:27 PM »
Pineapple pleasure and Sugarloaf are shy bearers…period. Are they worth growing, absolutely. They’re a nice size fruit with amazing flavors. I am speaking from my personal experience in SoFla. I don’t have them in SoCal.

I harvested 19 mangos from my 3 yr old Sugar Loaf last year (planted from a small 7 gallon). I would say that was good production for a young tree. Also, no sprays were used.

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