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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles - Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Passiflora laurifolia Triangular fruits shape
« on: September 26, 2021, 11:43:36 PM »
did you taste it?
If you grow the seeds im curious to see if it comes true

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Selling passiflora quadrangularis ML (PQML) cuttings
« on: September 03, 2021, 10:10:51 AM »
Of the 3 which would you recommend? I am interesteed in the PQML

also for rooting do you water root them or stick in soil

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB: Fortunella Hindsii (aka Hong kong kumquat / kinzu / Golden bean kumquat)
« on: August 12, 2021, 03:28:30 PM »
That's a nice lil crop coming in! keep us updated and I'm first in line for some of those seeds  ;D

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Want: Cosmos caudatus - Ulam Raja - kenikir
« on: July 26, 2021, 06:34:34 PM »
Quote from: GrowInFlorida on July 13, 2021, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: spencerw on March 19, 2021, 03:40:26 PM
oh cool you found some genetic variation!! heres my website and some info on cosmos caudatus. ive got some seed if yours dont end up germinating. but they are pretty weedy, im sure youll be fine! please post some photos of the flowers once they start showing up

https://tropicalselfsufficiency.com/cosmos-cosmos-caudatus/

funny, I always thought string beans are called string because they grow up as a vine, on a string I guess? 😝
learned something new from your blog!
Do you know if any hybridized varieties of cosmos are also edible? I got lots of seeds in a yearly swap from one of my favorite groups, and there are some cosmos seeds there.
Cosmos Sulphereus (yellow cosmos) are edible!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Xinjiang fragrant pear grafted
« on: June 16, 2021, 04:57:30 PM »
Quote from: Pandan on June 16, 2021, 04:51:47 PM
Sounds fancy. Have you tried it and do scion heritage places have this on stock

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Xinjiang fragrant pear grafted
« on: June 16, 2021, 04:51:47 PM »
wow

"History

The Fragrant pear has been cultivated in the Xinjiang province of China for over 1300 years. It was only introduced to the rest of the world in 2006. Grown along the Silk Road, these pears are considered the finest in the area and are more expensive than most grown in surrounding China, Japan or Korea. The pears are grown in the city of Korla, which is the largest city in Western China. Farmers there use air guns to remove dirt, insects or debris from the pears and gently wrap them in tissue and foam net for their journey across the world. An Oregon farmer brought a cutting back from China in 2004 and has tried growing the pears in the Hood River valley, with unknown results."


if its that rare how can one make sure its authentic? And better yet do scion heritage places have this on stock

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Is it Possible to make a Eriobotrya japonica × Prunus Hybrid?
« on: May 22, 2021, 04:58:35 PM »
You could try but as said it would be a large and impressive feat

Interspecies crosses can vary in difficulty and intergenus species crosses are sometimes possible but often difficult - you probably would have to read into advanced botanical breeding techniques.

Some ""basic"" biological factors could be things like chromosome counts and ploidy (which you could research on your own), pollen collection & storage (if they don't flower at the same time) and fertilization barriers (some species don't like outcrossing)

Then the techniques of actual fertilization and germinating the cross: embryo rescue, sterile tissue culture, seedling vigor itself etc etc

I won't discourage you and I won't say its easy or (im)possible either. Luther Burbank supposedly had a rubus (raspberry sp) x fragaria (strawberry sp.) intergenus cross.

You could only find out by trying (and expect a lot of failures).
The good part is there is a lot of information and technique that can be done at home with modification and substitute including tissue culture. https://the-biologist-is-in.blogspot.com/2015/01/hybrid-sterility-and-speciation.html
Whatever cross may occur also may or may not bear fruit and may or may not be entirely sterile. Just a few things to consider but if you're motivated - read up, make some plans and go for it - GL!

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Where can I get Rubus Coreanus, and Rubus neomexicanus?
« on: May 12, 2021, 04:52:01 PM »
https://plantinfo.umn.edu/

try this site? I also saw rubus coreanus on USDA Grin: however you would need to give them a scientific reason.

and if youre really adventurous you could try finding it on iNaturalist and taking cuttings (permission may be needed).

You could also try reaching out to Southwestern native botanical groups on facebook or the like.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Looking for abelmoshus manihot cuttings
« on: April 16, 2021, 06:07:06 AM »
Not a cutting but seeds are offered here: https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/products/korean-silkflower?_pos=1&_sid=9e1140aae&_ss=r

I was thinking of getting some, I didn't know it came in cutting form.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What new citrus varieties should be introduced?
« on: April 13, 2021, 05:01:21 AM »
Haha you've opened the floodgates:
Thailand:
Tub Tim Siam (ส้มโอทับทิม - ruby siam pomelo)

Japan:
Setoka

Yuko - particularly a sweet cultivar of it: https://www.tkfd.or.jp/en/research/detail.php?id=244

Hyuganatsu & Haruka are also interesting

I'd also request hirado buntan be re-accessioned


Italy:
Four seasons orange from Italy
https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/four-seasons-orange/
discussed on the forum: https://citrusgrowersv2.proboards.com/thread/647/sessions-orange

I also second Millet & earlier posts: MORE finger lime colors (seriously dying to see these) and more accession variety on australian species (desert lime, etc) in general and more kumquats.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: April 09, 2021, 07:41:48 PM »
I'm sorry to hear of the loses. A lot of members and tx based citrus fanatics and I assume industry there as well were struck hard.

I do wonder if the sudden cold culled the hosts of the diseases and the vectors / invasive psyllids that spread the disease.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / pietros pawpaws
« on: April 01, 2021, 07:23:51 PM »
Found a couple of different sources mentioning a specialist nursery in FL that sold various Asimina species that are basically non-existent on the market.
And it seems to have been closed for god knows how long, unfortunately.

Does anyone have a trail on where we can buy the other asiminas outside of A. Triloba and A. parviflora (which in itself is rare)?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Most bloom ever
« on: March 27, 2021, 06:18:50 PM »
Congratulations, hope you like orange juice  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Is it ok / beneficial to store tropical seeds in a fridge?
« on: March 24, 2021, 02:52:05 AM »
Fridge not freezer.
Long story short I have a a ton of seeds - most entirely orthodox / non-recalcitrant seeds and many need stratification.
I think a mini fridge would be a good idea to invest in to store them (basically off this and other things ive read https://empressofdirt.net/seed-storage-options/)

Does storing tropicals in a fridge tend to extend their 'shelf life' or further damage them? Or is it just a toss up between recalcitrant species

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you think there should be a Container Growers Greenhouse section???
« on: March 21, 2021, 02:48:39 PM »
A general greenhouse section would be better but ofcourse you could also include a container section in that sub-forum.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Want: superior lulo / naranjilla cultivars
« on: March 21, 2021, 02:47:25 PM »
Quote from: roblack on March 21, 2021, 11:33:53 AM
any luck?

looking too

I think Cacn1987 from the linked post would be our best bet on this forum. They haven't responded to a message I sent them yet.
The link: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=41741.msg411003#msg411003

I'll keep searching some South American sources among other for an improved type as well. From the few searches I've done Equador seems the most keen on improving the species (?)

It should be of note one of the more common lulos in commercial production down there is the 'puyo hybrid' and the improved 'palora hybrid' which are crosses between a lulo & cocona and are propogated vegetatively - https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-379.html

other info of note: "For a domesticated plant it shows very little variability. In Colombia and Central America the plants usually have prickles on the stems and leaves whereas in Ecuador plants are unarmed. Several cultivars are recognized in Ecuador, based on slight differences in fruits."

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Want: Cosmos caudatus - Ulam Raja - kenikir
« on: March 19, 2021, 10:15:07 PM »
Quote from: spencerw on March 19, 2021, 03:40:26 PM
oh cool you found some genetic variation!! heres my website and some info on cosmos caudatus. ive got some seed if yours dont end up germinating. but they are pretty weedy, im sure youll be fine! please post some photos of the flowers once they start showing up

https://tropicalselfsufficiency.com/cosmos-cosmos-caudatus/
Thanks! I may take you up on that however I haven't even tried to germinate these yet :D
Cool blog by the way! You just got a new reader lol

In regards to weediness one good thing about living in a temperate area is that I have to worry less about tropical plants getting out of hand (now other foriegn temperate species are an issue!) I imagine there might be some volunteers should I let them go wild in the garden though.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Want: Cosmos caudatus - Ulam Raja - kenikir
« on: March 19, 2021, 03:22:17 PM »
UPDATE: I have seeds from 2 sources if anyone wants some after a grow out (or wants to participate in a grow out where we swap seeds after).
1 is neon pink the other is pink and white.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Want: superior lulo / naranjilla cultivars
« on: March 19, 2021, 10:59:19 AM »
Quote from: Mike T on March 19, 2021, 05:08:10 AM
I have been battling the thorny sour ones in my yard for years. They pop up everywhere years after you had plants. I have never had one that isn't sour and can be eaten out of hand. I have heard people talk about types that can be eaten out of hand but has anyone here ever tried really good lulos?
Shame, it seems like a plant prime for improvement.

I saw cacn offering one that had one with sweet meat and sour inside, which I imagine makes it kumquat like. I sent them a message, haven't gotten a response yet but I think theyre on vacation so I may send another. Hopefully they see this post or someone who's had a good one does.

I hopefully won't have to worry too much about invasiveness as my area is pretty cold for a subtropical plant (USDA 8b).

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Long term cold hardy citrus breeding project
« on: March 18, 2021, 06:18:44 PM »
 I hate to hear of those losses and I hope you and yours are ok through that terrible storm. I know this may be painful but in regards to the breeding program / on the bright side you've narrowed down on cold-hardy genetics. I know of rocky mountain tomato breeders who've done similar things to select a line.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: March 18, 2021, 06:11:33 PM »
Quote from: 850FL on March 17, 2021, 10:04:31 AM
Hey guys if citrus seeds aren’t regulated by citrus gestapo put me on the list too!!
Good news to any concerned souls:
Seeds are deregulated from the citrus quarantine!


All press releases here:
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/plant-pest-and-disease-programs/pests-and-diseases/citrus/citrus-federal-orders/citrus-policy-federal-orders
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ACP deregulated
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/plant-pest-and-disease-programs/pests-and-diseases/citrus/citrus-federal-orders/citrus-policy-federal-orders
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HLB deregulated
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/plant_pest_info/citrus/citrus-downloads/spro/DA-2016-30.pdf

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles - Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for Pandan
« on: March 16, 2021, 04:37:22 PM »
Baker's creek is the most affordable - two plugs for 15 bucks. I think they're sold out now howeverr :(

There are some sellers on ebay usually in the 30s for a larger plant

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Want: superior lulo / naranjilla cultivars
« on: March 16, 2021, 02:25:38 PM »
In title: I want better naranjilla fruit than what is commonly found on US seed market.

Any ideas where i can get some?


I found some names of improved commercial(?) varieties from equador with names like "dulce" and "baeza"
http://repiica.iica.int/docs/B3457e/b3457e.pdf

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Apple seedling flowering super young
« on: March 13, 2021, 02:46:23 AM »
Quote from: D-Grower on March 12, 2021, 10:44:15 PM
Really cool to hear y'alls stories of seed grown trees. As far as I know many citrus do take up to or over 8 years to produce fruit from seeds. There are many exceptions though like lemons and kumquats etc being 3-5 years. From the research I've done though it seems with most citrus they do produce decent if not good to excellent quality fruits from seeds but it's the wait time that's undesirable.

I've personally seen over a hundred mature seed grown citrus make good quality fruits from seeds. Also many other species like tropical fruits and stone fruits. Even seen apples turn out good from seeds albeit much less of a chance with heavy out crossers like apples and pears. Still worth your time if you have space though. If you get a "bad" tree you can always graft onto it with good scions. If you get a good fruit then you have a new variety you can name and start passing around yourself which would be awesome to do. Plant them seeds and let's increase our biodiversity we are quickly loosing from lack of such efforts.
Exactly how I feel about it!
With seedlings you can think of your chances as: bad, as good as or better than, why not take the risk esp because as you saaid you can graft if it goes to s**t  ;)

I don't have a lot of space in my current yard (and I have been WILDLY branching out in the things I grow the past year) so I plan to learn to graft, select a good base then create multi-varieties trees which I can take seeds from.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Is precociousness inherited?
« on: March 09, 2021, 02:14:03 PM »
Quote from: mikkel on March 09, 2021, 09:16:59 AM
Concerning C.wakonai I was reported by Malcolm Smith:
Our recent results here suggest that the early-flowering trait is quickly lost during a backcrossing program (backcrossing to C.reticulata), even when we try to apply high selection pressure for early-flowering.  So I suspect there are recessive allelels involved in early-flowering and it will be necessary to ensure both parents have an early-flowering parent in their pedigree.
Exactly whaat I'm thinking, this is going to be multi-generational effort. I'm going to cross my preco-pon with poncirus+ for a better tasting poncirus base. My ponc+ hasn't even flowered yet and may not for some years.


Quote from: mikkel on March 09, 2021, 09:16:59 AM
I was wondering about if it is an option to to create an edible precocious Citrus first and cross it with precPt or Red Dwarf from Jiri. If genes for precociousness are the same in both parents it might give a chance to find a homozygous hybrid.
Red Dwarf?

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