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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: US-1279 and SuperSour 2, new and better zygotic parents for cold hardy breeding?
« on: May 15, 2023, 02:44:26 PM »
Great, are those available to us civilians though?

If not and assuming there's not proprietary rights on them I wonder if Madison Citrus would be open to offering them as they've done a great job dissemination some rarer scions (why not rootstocks too)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Atlanta Winter Citrus Damage
« on: May 15, 2023, 01:06:09 AM »
Quote from: Pandan on May 15, 2023, 01:05:11 AM
Quote from: manfromyard on May 14, 2023, 07:53:14 PM
I have not been able to find another uga changsha so I am trying to rescue this until I can get enough wood to graft a backup..should i try pruning more now or wait till the new growth has matured?


Is this the UGA changsha?
https://www.georgiagrowncitrus.com/product-page/uga-sweet-frost-tangerine-tree

"This tangerine, developed by Dr. Wayne Hanna, University of Georgia, is a Changsha tangerine made seedless.Its Brix content ranges from 11 to 12."

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Atlanta Winter Citrus Damage
« on: May 15, 2023, 01:05:11 AM »
Quote from: manfromyard on May 14, 2023, 07:53:14 PM
I have not been able to find another uga changsha so I am trying to rescue this until I can get enough wood to graft a backup..should i try pruning more now or wait till the new growth has matured?


Is this the UGA changsha?
https://www.georgiagrowncitrus.com/product-page/uga-sweet-frost-tangerine-tree

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking to buy Bumper Satsuma trees.
« on: May 10, 2023, 11:31:13 PM »
Quote from: sc4001992 on April 22, 2023, 05:57:59 PM
Never heard of a Bumper Satsuma, is that a local name given to a Satsuma variety, I don't see it on the UCR CCPP database.

https://www.saxonbecnelandsons.com/exclusive-varieties

artic frost satsuma is more famous. Honestly "bumper" through me off too, a quick scroll I thought OP wanted some extra fruit. Learn something new every day lol

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Help me pick a mandarin / satsuma
« on: May 10, 2023, 02:06:08 PM »
Quote from: pagnr on May 10, 2023, 07:39:11 AM
If you need the advice of an expert, try this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F12whwpA7k
🤣 Ill send him some samples for sure

Another mandarin I've become interested in is the Page mandarin which is a hybrid between a mineolla and clementine. Deep color and holds well too. So many choices lol I need a better job asap!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Help me pick a mandarin / satsuma
« on: May 08, 2023, 03:23:19 AM »
Is 'frost owari' and "owari 874' the same as "owari" and if not are they as good as other owari satsumas

if they're the same perhaps Ill go with owari as madison sells a tree with "owari 874" and ponkan

edit: found an article as well as the ccpp listting that say frost owari is just owari ha https://www.al.com/living-press-register/2009/10/satsuma_cultivars_the_best_and.html

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Help me pick a mandarin / satsuma
« on: May 06, 2023, 02:53:19 PM »
Quote from: Rispa on May 06, 2023, 11:54:54 AM
If you're willing to protect I bet you could do any of them. Incandescent c9 Christmas lights and create a greenhouse (this year I'm trying plastic panels on the windy side and frost cloth panels on the others)
True but I'd have to make a green house first, im on a working class college student budget :P

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.. Someone in here just told about an anecdote where a person puts a bucket of water with an aquarium heater in it inside the makeshift greenhouse and that worked. I haven't tried that, but it makes sense to me
I've seen people talk about all sorts of things using water to keep plantts that really escape me lol

like using sprinklers against a frost. Is it the humidity? IDK

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Citrus General Discussion / Help me pick a mandarin / satsuma
« on: May 06, 2023, 03:58:01 AM »
zone 8
things I want:
sweet and deep, balanced flavored (some tartness), deep orange flesh, zipper peel

ripens OCT-early DEC and hardy (as satsumas go)

Lee x Nova (top contender but might ripen too late?)
Okitsu wase (original choice)
dobashi beni
Shiranui
owari
xie shan
ponkan

Feel free to make a recommendation or give experiences too

some seeds are fine, flavor and ripening are the concerns here

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Japanese citrus I have known and loved: Winter 20223-202
« on: May 04, 2023, 08:24:18 PM »
Such a shame this probably wouldn't be possible stateside. Hope you kept some seeds if it was allowed

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Best tasting italian lemon ?
« on: April 29, 2023, 08:22:34 PM »
Quote from: manfromyard on April 29, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
Waiting on answer for this. There is not a whole lot of info on these about harvest times, flavor, productivity, etc. I'm starting to think a plain old eureka is just as good..

Supposedly some Italian (intedonato and genoa i believe) dont have bitter rinds which makes them appealing for candying and liquour I think. But yes not a lot of actual reviews.

I love iced lemon teas but the bitter fllavor of rinds transfers into the drink pretty fast, wonder if it aa non bitter rind makes a difference


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Citrus General Discussion / Best tasting italian lemon ?
« on: April 27, 2023, 07:29:10 AM »
I don't think I've ever tried any Italian lemons straight but I find what I've heard about them from gushy cooking recipes and magazines very appealing.

I'm thinking of buying a tree but can't decide which to get:
Santa teresa, genoa, feminello, interdonato etc etc.
Is there a difference with them between whats sold in a given US store or just hype?


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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted: Desert lime (Citrus glauca) seeds
« on: April 26, 2023, 04:49:24 PM »
Quote from: 1rainman on April 26, 2023, 11:56:18 AM
Desert lime has high resistance to hlb and a lot of other things. I want the meyer lemon x desert lime cross. It seems to have the disease resistance of the desert lime for the most part but good tasting lemon like fruit and grows true to seed. It is used as root stock.

Where is this found?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus hybrid crosses
« on: April 21, 2023, 01:02:01 PM »
Also I think importing citrus seeds from Europe is something I plan to do one day

European citrus nthusiasts have their own hardy selections of note. For example from the other citrus forum I found the "kinga" poncirus extremely interesting: https://citrusgrowersv2.proboards.com/thread/846/alternatives-tasty-poncirus-tryout-germany

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"This plant is actually a three stem cluster growing probably from one seed, it survived several winters with -20C without visible damage. One of the stems bears large fruits, juicy and quite edible."

This is a bit more strenuous than normal seed lots as they require a phyto-sanitary certificate and I think they can't be from countries with HLB (which is present in Spain and Italy IIRC, correct anything I'm wrong on)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus hybrid crosses
« on: April 21, 2023, 12:54:10 PM »
I've never done plant breeding ever though I'd like to one day.

I will continue to buy seeds from collectors with hardy collections with a focus on seeds from plants known to totally hardy and of decent taste. I see this as a way of getting diversity from any possible open pollinations.

I've been wondering about hydroponics as way to boost growth for us home growers for saplings before transplant and cloning, that way you can have a back up (have yet to experiment with this as I'd like)

In the past few days Ive been researching high density orchards for citrus.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting 1000s of seeds from the cold hardiest avocados (experiment)
« on: April 20, 2023, 02:51:11 PM »
Found a criollo nursery in Houston (zone 9a) idk if they mail
their page specifically mentions cold hardiness

https://www.facebook.com/criolloavocado/


I also did some research on those heirloom varieties from that first link i posted in this thread.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Consortium of Cacti and all things spiny! - thread for Cacti lovers
« on: April 19, 2023, 10:46:14 AM »
Does anyone have stenocereus queretaroensis of different colors?

Its annoyingly hard to find the US and when you do find it the only color is usually red

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting 1000s of seeds from the cold hardiest avocados (experiment)
« on: April 18, 2023, 01:25:50 AM »
Apparently persea seeds can be mailed here but basically all latin american nations are on a ban list :(

Are there any scions you want but havent attained yet? Like a rumored cold hardy tree or others among the 'tex mex' criollos

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting 1000s of seeds from the cold hardiest avocados (experiment)
« on: April 17, 2023, 09:48:40 PM »
Quote from: lajos93 on April 16, 2023, 06:37:57 AM

I think the problem is really getting all those seeds even in the US
Let alone getting them to Europe, If I could somehow get my hands on 10000 seeds of the hardiest Mexican avocadoes, thatd be probably the best way to start
Do you think there is a way to do that in the US? Im talking really large quantities, at least 500-1000 seeds or even more, but only from the hardiest named varieties

I don't know about in the US but if someone really was invested then as another user said they could do something akin to what Kumin is doing for citranges by buying rootstock seed wholesale, planting and looking what survives and variation among them:

https://www.viverosblanco.com/en/rootstocks - mexicola and "water-hole" seed

https://www.invertebral.mx/product/mexican-avocado-pattern-creole-seed/ - criollo seed and if dryfolia is commonly used at rootstock someone with better google-fu and spanish mastery than me could probably find a nursery in MX that specializes in seed stock


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting 1000s of seeds from the cold hardiest avocados (experiment)
« on: April 17, 2023, 09:38:09 PM »
So besides the tex-mex avocados does anyone have any interest in importing more drymifolia/criollo genetics?

this user had listed a vendor of criollo but didn't pursue it: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31994.msg353314#msg353314 - perhaps they could be contacted and someone familiar with live plant permits could import some

there's also a seller offering criollo seeds on etsy (naretmx)

Oh and another one for the tex-mmex genetics: "austin star avocado", its expensive as hell though
user's post https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=44004.0
OG nursery selling it (tw sticker shock): https://lonestarnursery.com/products/avocado-austin-star

Edit: Here's a nursery in WA doing trials with criollo (idk if related to drymifolia) ttps://johannsgarden.square.site/product/persea-americana-var-drymifolia-almost-hardy-criollo-avocado-aguacate-criollo/423?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=3

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting 1000s of seeds from the cold hardiest avocados (experiment)
« on: April 15, 2023, 03:32:02 PM »
https://experimentalfarmnetwork.org/project/36

there is a project like this on experimental farm network that may be of interest

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Frosthardiness experience with citrusvarieties in zone 7, down to 3,2 F
« on: April 14, 2023, 02:31:59 PM »
Quote from: bussone on April 14, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
Has anyone ever clarified what Carolina Lime is? Other than it appears to have poncirus ancestry.

Very good liime substitue from what ive gathered tho iive yet to try it

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dVf37w9fk1A


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hardy citrus in PNW
« on: April 01, 2023, 08:02:34 PM »
Quote from: Walt on April 01, 2023, 02:32:48 AM
I commented some time ago that an F1 hybrid of finger lime x Ponciris+ might have a market.  I've been thinking more about it lately.

I think so too

I also think desert limes (citrus glauca) are another candidate. The fact that they're also xerophytes and supposedly salt tolerant.  Aesthetically I really like them too: some of the trees can be haggard and leggy but when they fill out they're beautiful shaggy, willow like appearance.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hardy citrus in PNW
« on: March 31, 2023, 10:42:06 PM »
I think leaning into the unique and different flavors and other features would be an excellent idea for cold hardy citrus

I think meiwa and fingerlimes (not hardy ik) are underutilized for example

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Breeding from patent plants (food for thought)
« on: March 20, 2023, 08:01:48 PM »
Quote from: 1rainman on March 20, 2023, 07:39:22 PM
They spend a lot of money breeding these so for every plant sold they get a couple dollars. After a period of time it is less of a concern then after more time the copyright expires. All you have to do is not sell clones.

I think the state of Florida owns the patent. I don't know of any lawsuits against a backyard grower. This is mainly for businesses.

Oh I'm not against the idea, these programs need funds and yes agreed the local plant swap probably won't get served.
It is intimidating for newer growers to tell what is and isn't ok - esp when people well-intentioned or confused raise alarms over unbreedable IP protected plants. (sort of like how retail seed companies brag about being "non-gmo" whenn the chances of gmo seeds being sold intentionally en masse to the public is low anyways)

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I would like a sugar bell crossed with dunstans grapefruit or crossed with a poncirus hybrid might get something edible that has good greening tolerance. Hermaphrodite plants are too difficult for me to cross though.

also totally agree on thee poncirus bit that was my thinking too

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Citrus General Discussion / Breeding from patent plants (food for thought)
« on: March 20, 2023, 07:06:42 PM »
I was looking at a citrus tree called "sugarbelle":
this thing has absurd rights on it copied from the everbrite site below:

"“Sugar Belle® ‘LB8-9’ (U.S. Patent PP21,356) -Propagation prohibited by law. Trees and fruit may not be resold or distributed.”"

I can't even buy this plant and am just window shopping however having a plant I can legally get sued for sharing scions of due to IP isn't appealing even in my fantasy garden world.  This isn't anything new of course (this tree is an old release) but for NEWBIES this is intimidating.

But what if I used the pollen or seeds from this tree to breed something? Is that also patented?

According to Tennessee Extension this is fine so long as there isn't a total resemblance:
"What would happen if I allowed my patented
brambles to go to seed and instead of buying
plants the following year, I plant the seeds from
the previous year?"
"This is NOT considered infringement BUT there is
the risk of claims of infringement if the resulting
plants are similar to the patented parent plants.
So until further notice as long as your plant has distinguishing characteristics from the patent its offspring should be fine and IP free

Patents aren't the only type of IP protection though.  "Utility plants" and "Plant Variety Protection" plants cannot be used sexually. Utility plants are often GMO according to Tennesee extension.

Please tell me if i'm wrong!
I'm not well versed in legalese but for hobbyist breeders and hopefuls like me who find plant patents intimidating I hope this helps. Sugar belle has HLB resistance and fungal resistance that may make it an interesting parent for citrus breeders.
Mineolas mostly arent nucellar and with its clementine heritage maybe it won't breed true either so hopefully clones are less of an issue.

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